• Violence Against Women Act gets only gets 7 Republican Senators supporting it versus 53 Democrat.
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What's with the very noticeable disproportionate amount of people with mlp avatars and being conservative, racist, or sexist? Like not even just on Facepunch, although this thread certainly is a good example of one
my least favorite pony is that african zebra one.. i mean i'm not saying shes inferior to the other ponies but i mean genetically she's less intelligent and that's just a fact
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;39450742]He's making the point that Men's Rights Activists tend to focus exclusively about the injustices bestowed upon men by whoever the fuck, while most women around the world have to deal with stuff that is much worse. While I agree that we should attempt to fix it all at once without really prioritizing, many don't, and a lot of MRAs don't really acknowledge, or even put down the problems of others, regardless of those other's problems are much larger than their own. That's why they aren't very well liked, as far as I know. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] An example would be the entire, "rape vs. false rape" debate, where even if falsely reported rape is really, really, rare, MRAs tend to exaggerate it and that in turn discredits real rape victims.[/QUOTE] MRAs tend to get the problems right but the causes of the problems and their priorities wrong. Are men underrepresented as single parents? In most places, yeah. Is this because of an evil feeeemale invasion of the courts? No. Last I checked something like 80% of family court judges are male. Maybe this happens because there's an expectation (amongst men) that women be the ones who stay at home and raise families for no income? Are men overrepresented as the party that pays alimony and child support? Yeah. Evil feminazi judges again? Or maybe because women are typically the ones who give up a career and income earning potential for the marriage, and can't get a decent paying job immediately after a divorce with such a huge gap in their resumes. Do false rape accusations against men happen? Yup. Does it happen as often as 50% of the time as I've seen MRAs claim? No, it happens the same amount as false accusations of any other crime. And does it happen more than rape? Hahahahaha no. And why do MRAs not talk about prison rape until it's to pad their rape stats? Fuck I could go on forever. Lately a trend of discussion I've seen in MRA circles is "female hypergamy", that is, women marrying up. Hey buds last I checked it takes two people to sign off on a marriage. Nobody is forcing men to get married.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;39451853]my least favorite pony is that african zebra one.. i mean i'm not saying shes inferior to the other ponies but i mean genetically she's less intelligent and that's just a fact[/QUOTE] I thought I had removed their fear the last time that I visited here. But, doors are barred and shutters shut, guess I should've stayed inside my hut.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39451834]What's with the very noticeable disproportionate amount of people with mlp avatars and being conservative, racist, or sexist? Like not even just on Facepunch, although this thread certainly is a good example of one[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/ch47j.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Last or First;39452064][img]http://i.imgur.com/ch47j.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I found the origin of this...the comments are like some sad Fox News [url]http://tegthethird.deviantart.com/art/Conservative-brony-313390271[/url]
[QUOTE=soulharvester;39446296]I'm sorry I had no idea that my gender or ethnicity automatically gave me a job and puts gas in my car. does being a female also automatically make you a victim? does throwing an insult at a colored person automatically make you a racist? You're the problem with this country, you boil down issues to "Lol we shouldn't have to help them they have it great, we only have to help the colored pplz". People shouldn't be prioritized because of their gender or ethnicity, that's not how equality works, and it's not how you set up a "fair" system. I'm not saying we shouldn't give help to areas that are poorer because they're mostly colored, or filled with "gangsters" and the like, quite the opposite. I just think that it undermines their efforts if they include language in their policies that specifically targets the "Latino" community in an area. I'm saying it shouldn't include language that specifically singles them out, I'm proposing that the language is MORE equal. I also won't deny that males have the privilege of being male, but I'll laugh in your face if you deny that being a women comes with it's own privileges, I'm not going to argue whether those advantages are equal because then you're just arguing semantics and it'll go on forever and solve nothing. People aren't "equal" period, You'll never find two people that are completely "equal" to each other, that doesn't mean we can't treat them equally. Also I think the VAWA has done great things, I just don't like the fact that the title itself makes it seem like it's predisposed to protect women over men, whether or not that's the actual case in the actual wording. I also think that the language shouldn't be so "Specific" so as to exclude people by default, based on gender, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.[/QUOTE] I thought I'd quote this because it's so damn true. I can't seem to find a copy of the bill, but in the legislative process, just because they vote no on a bill doesn't mean they can't write their own version and send it over for the house to review. As for the tea party, not ever republican is a tea party member. Not every republican is a conservative. This is the same thing as saying not every democrat is a liberal, and not every liberal is a democrat. And to be fair, the tea party has brought up some good points since its creation at the tail end of the Bush era. I wish everyone would stop crying about the House of Representatives. Honestly its not some "Big dumb republican circle jerk" like everyone thinks. The republicans hold a [U]very[/U] slim majority over the democrats. Its like 52% republican to 48% democrat or something like that. The point being it is very close. People also act like the house blocked this because "all republicans are rich white old men who hate poor people, blacks, and women". Another misconception. There are plenty of female, republican representatives. Sure, there are stupid, dumb, republicans. (I like to call them re[B]pubic[/B]ans) But on the same token there are some pretty rotten democrats too. Lastly, lets not go around thinking whites are the only people who are privlaged. Pretty much any affluent person is privlaged. Do you think Al Sharpton's daughter had it tough in school and in life? Probably not.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;39451305]Yo this is wack-ass racist bullshit and it's also patently untrue. There were many large, wealthy empires in Africa like the Malinese and Ethiopian empires which flourished until the age of European Colonialism, when they were destroyed and the people subjugated. "Black people didn't have any civilization until white people arrived and helped them" is just an awful, racist, historically oblivious viewpoint used by awful, ignorant people to justify the horrors that Africans were subjected to at the hands of European colonialists and you should be ashamed for not knowing any better. [/QUOTE] Alot of slavery wasn't white man comes over and abducts people as slaves. It was those said empires selling their own people to slavery
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;39452575]Alot of slavery wasn't white man comes over and abducts people as slaves. It was those said empires selling their own people to slavery[/QUOTE] I agree. And to add to what you said, (Not that I'm attempting to justify slavery in any way) slavery in Africa was a lot worse than slavery in the United States.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39452498]Lastly, lets not go around thinking whites are the only people who are privlaged. Pretty much any affluent person is privlaged. Do you think Al Sharpton's daughter had it tough in school and in life? Probably not.[/QUOTE] white males are pretty much the largest and most powerful social group out there dude
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39452698]white males are pretty much the largest and most powerful social group out there dude[/QUOTE] Except they're torn to bits when ever they make a mistake. The NAACP ripped a new one for Don Imus after his "Nappi headed hoes" comment. What about Michael Richards? I don't think he's had a job since his stand up incident. If whites were so mighty and powerful, why would they allow themselves to get ripped up by the NAACP, ect. I'm not suggesting whites have it hard, or don't have some privlage, but its only affluent white people. I grew up poor, I had to work for everything I got. No one handed me things.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;39452575]Alot of slavery wasn't white man comes over and abducts people as slaves. It was those said empires selling their own people to slavery[/QUOTE] ugh god your comments are so pathetic and meaningless so because a couple of powerful leaders sold their own people into slavery, africans still didn't "try hard enough" and are somehow inferior to white european cultures?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;39452747]so because a couple of powerful leaders sold their own people into slavery, africans still didn't "try hard enough" and are somehow inferior to white european cultures?[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone is implying that. Not to put words in his mouth, but what I think he's trying to say is this: Slavery wasn't always white men enslaving africans, as most people think it was.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39452743]I grew up poor, I had to work for everything I got. No one handed me things.[/QUOTE] is this like tattooed into every hyper-defensive white dudes wrist or something jesus christ its like clockwork nobody said you had everything handed to you but you're flat out wrong if you try and deny you don't have pretty much all the advantages in american society by being a straight white man [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=UziXxX;39452780]I don't think anyone is implying that. Not to put words in his mouth, but what I think he's trying to say is this: Slavery wasn't always white men enslaving africans, as most people think it was.[/QUOTE] uh yeah it pretty much was. african empires may have helped sell some of the slaves but the majority of slave trade was the result of white european society's demand for slaves fueling the slave trade
[QUOTE=Kopimi;39452782]is this like tattooed into every hyper-defensive white dudes wrist or something jesus christ its like clockwork[/QUOTE] No. It isn't. I'm not hyper-defensive either. I just get a tad bit offended when people claim that straight white men have all the advantage in society. They make these claims but I have yet to see proof that this is true. I also get offended when people tell me I have it easy when I have to work for a living just like everyone else. [QUOTE=Kopimi;39452782]you're flat out wrong if you try and deny you don't have pretty much all the advantages in american society by being a straight white man[/QUOTE] I don't have all the advantages in society. What advantages do I have? [QUOTE=Kopimi;39452782]uh yeah it pretty much was. african empires may have helped sell some of the slaves but the majority of slave trade was the result of white european society's demand for slaves fueling the slave trade[/QUOTE] Slavery existed in Africa 100s of years before European settlers had their hand in the slave trade.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39452822]I don't have all the advantages in society. What advantages do I have?[/QUOTE] no one's really gonna put you down for who you are
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39452859]no one's really gonna put you down for who you are[/QUOTE] Not true. People get judged based on their looks all the time.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39452822]I don't have all the advantages in society. What advantages do I have?[/QUOTE] You don't have all the advantages, but you have more than others. As a white, you won't automatically be assumed to be a criminal. As a straight person, you can actually marry the person you love. As a guy, it's easier for you to get higher positions in jobs, you get paid more, you're judged less for your looks compared to women, you're less likely to get raped, people are less likely to blow off your arguments as "oh, you're just PMSing / being a hysterical woman", and you don't have to put up with almost daily sexual harassment. So on and so forth.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39452859]no one's really gonna put you down for who you are[/QUOTE] Only if you put "average height/weight", "at least middle class", "from a stable family" and "Christian" in there too. EDIT: And "sane", and "vaguely attractive" and "no disabilities".
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39452867]Not true. People get judged based on their looks all the time.[/QUOTE] okay, please tell us of the time you were discriminated against for being a while male
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39452822] I also get offended when people tell me I have it easy when I have to work for a living just like everyone else.[/QUOTE] The thing is Minorities faced the same hardships you did in addition to their own
[QUOTE=Last or First;39452932]You don't have all the advantages, but you have more than others. As a white, you won't automatically be assumed to be a criminal. As a straight person, you can actually marry the person you love. As a guy, it's easier for you to get higher positions in jobs, you get paid more, you're judged less for your looks compared to women, you're less likely to get raped, people are less likely to blow off your arguments as "oh, you're just PMSing / being a hysterical woman", and you don't have to put up with almost daily sexual harassment. So on and so forth.[/QUOTE] Being white also has disadvantages. As a white, you're assumed to be racist biggot. As a man, you're assumed to be a judgemental, objectifier of women. As a white man, people are more likely to blow off your argument as, "Look at that white guy. He doesn't know what he's talking about because he never had to strugge". As a man, you're expected to do the work you're given and not complain, ect. ect. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Ownederd;39452981]okay, please tell us of the time you were discriminated against for being a while male[/QUOTE] Okay, I was bullied all the time in middle school because I had long hair. In middle school, we had to pick up a bus of city kids on the way home from school because their bus broke down, and all the black kids were pissed that some of us wouldn't share our seats because there was no room, and they kept saying, "Yall white mother fuckers need to sit 3 to a seat". In high school, this one kid kept picking on me so I was going to fight him. I didn't fight him, but a lot of black people got offended and called me a racist, ect, when the whole thing had nothing to do with this pissant being black.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39452822]No. It isn't. I'm not hyper-defensive either. I just get a tad bit offended when people claim that straight white men have all the advantage in society. They make these claims but I have yet to see proof that this is true. [/QUOTE] I don't think you really understand privileges [QUOTE=UziXxX;39453014]Being white also has disadvantages. As a white, you're assumed to be racist biggot. As a man, you're assumed to be a judgemental, objectifier of women. As a white man, people are more likely to blow off your argument as, "Look at that white guy. He doesn't know what he's talking about because he never had to strugge". As a man, you're expected to do the work you're given and not complain, ect. ect. [/quote] Well, we don't seem to be far off so far. [QUOTE=UziXxX;39453014] Okay, I was bullied all the time in middle school because I had long hair. In high school, this one kid kept picking on me so I was going to fight him. I didn't fight him, but a lot of black people got offended and called me a racist, ect, when the whole thing had nothing to do with this pissant being black.[/QUOTE] I'm confused, you got picked on and then called a racist? I don't think this is the full story, but I'm sorry that you got bullied and that's never fun.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39453063]I don't think you really understand privileges [/QUOTE] Perhaps its because I never had any of these magical privileges that apparently are given to me as a white male that let me cruise through society.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39453080]Perhaps its because I never had any of these magical privileges that apparently are given to me as a white male that let me cruise through society.[/QUOTE] The thing about privileges is that they aren't always apparent.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39453063] I'm confused, you got picked on and then called a racist? I don't think this is the full story, but I'm sorry that you got bullied and that's never fun.[/QUOTE] It's pretty much the whole story. The middle school bullying pretty much stopped once I got to high school, which is always good. They are two seperate stories. People said I wanted to fight the kid because he was black, not because he wouldn't leave me alone.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39453107]It's pretty much the whole story. The middle school bullying pretty much stopped once I got to high school, which is always good. They are two seperate stories. People said I wanted to fight the kid because he was black, not because he wouldn't leave me alone.[/QUOTE] If your biggest issue with discrimination was being called a racist you're quite lucky Despite what people want you to believe being called a racist isn't equivalent to being called a nigger or fag or whatever else other minorities have to deal with daily
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39453080]Perhaps its because I never had any of these magical privileges that apparently are given to me as a white male that let me cruise through society.[/QUOTE] The idea of privilege isn't that you have something positive, rather you don't have to deal with something that is negative. An example would be profiling by police officers, someone who is white probably never has to worry about just randomly being checked by an officer.
I dont argue that being a straight white male I have had quite a bit of advantages over minority groups, but I genuinely dont know how I am supposed to "check my privilege". I have seen people I care about face hardships I can not understand, and I am thankful that I probably will never have too experience them. Yes I understand that I am more likely to get a scholarship or a job and I understand that is unfair that does not make me sorry for applying. People act like because I fit into the majority group I must not understand that things are unfair, or that I dont care about injustices or equality. Maybe I am just ignorant on the subject but when someone says you are X you can't understand Y, I feel like it just causes further divides that make people feel guilty or that we live in some sort of binary society where you are "with us or against us". I am not trying to debate or argue, I just really dont know what I am supposed to do other than personally treat people equally. What is this duty that I am not fulfilling that I am supposed to be hyper-aware of? What am I supposed to be doing to fix things, cause I have no clue.
[QUOTE=imptastick;39453135]I dont argue that being a straight white male I have had quite a bit of advantages over minority groups, but I genuinely dont know how I am supposed to "check my privilege". I have seen people I care about face hardships I can not understand, and I am thankful that I probably will never have too experience them. Yes I understand that I am more likely to get a scholarship or a job and I understand that is unfair that does not make me sorry for applying. People act like because I fit into the majority group I must not understand that things are unfair, or that I dont care about injustices or equality. Maybe I am just ignorant on the subject but when someone says you are X you can't understand Y, I feel like it just causes further divides that make people feel guilty or that we live in some sort of binary society where you are "with us or against us". I am not trying to debate or argue, I just really dont know what I am supposed to do other than personally treat people equally. What is this duty that I am not fulfilling that I am supposed to be hyper-aware of? What am I supposed to be doing to fix things, cause I have no clue.[/QUOTE] "Check your privilege" is just a sarcastic quip don't worry about it What it means is don't pretend you have it just as hard as other people in an attempt to dispute what they've gone through Privilege isn't something you either have or you don't, either. I'm disadvantaged by being bisexual but privileged by being a white male, neither cancels each other out and it depends on the situation which will cause problems or benefits
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