Violence Against Women Act gets only gets 7 Republican Senators supporting it versus 53 Democrat.
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[QUOTE=Valnar;39453125]An example would be profiling by police officers, someone who is white probably never has to worry about just randomly being checked by an officer.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, I suppose.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39453124]If your biggest issue with discrimination was being called a racist you're quite lucky[/QUOTE]
It wasn't the fact that people called me a racist, its the fact that people were so quick to judge me because I was white. They assumed that because I was white, I must be a racist.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39453124]Despite what people want you to believe being called a racist isn't equivalent to being called a nigger or fag or whatever else other minorities have to deal with daily[/QUOTE]
To be honest, people don't get away with using the word "nigger" anymore. I only saw the word used once, and the guy was later jumped by a group of black kids, and was taken away in an ambulance. And I live in the south, mind you.
Being called a fag, on the other hand, is something that can happen daily. But it isn't reseved to white men. Pretty much anyone who is gay is called a "fag" or "faggot" by anyone who ridducles them.
Anyone else apart from me feel the most important aspect of equality is treating people based on who they are as individuals, not on what group they belong to?
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It wasn't the fact that people called me a racist, its the fact that people were so quick to judge me because I was white. They assumed that because I was white, I must be a racist.[/quote]
Well you [i]were[/i] planning on beating up a black kid
It's still a stupid assumption though
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39453191]To be honest, people don't get away with using the word "nigger" anymore. I only saw the word used once, and the guy was later jumped by a group of black kids, and was taken away in an ambulance. And I live in the south, mind you.[/quote]
People say it all the time on the internet, you still hear the argument that everyone should be able to say it because some black people do
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39453191]Being called a fag, on the other hand, is something that can happen daily. But it isn't reseved to white men. Pretty much anyone who is gay is called a "fag" or "faggot" by anyone who ridducles them.[/QUOTE]
Being gay still makes you a minority, it doesn't have to be a race thing
[QUOTE=RobbL;39453220]Anyone else apart from me feel the most important aspect of equality is treating people based on who they are as individuals, not on what group they belong to?[/QUOTE]
nope clearly you are the only one that thinks this down with whitey down with whitey
(yes we all agree and there was no need to make a post asking if people agreed on something that obvious)
[QUOTE=RobbL;39453220]Anyone else apart from me feel the most important aspect of equality is treating people based on who they are as individuals, not on what group they belong to?[/QUOTE]
No
Your race and ethnicity brings with it a rich history and if we want to understand, accept, and celebrate each other as equals we need to be cool with everyone's differences instead of forcing everyone into one archetype ("assimilation" in North America usually means "make them more white", after all)
Equality doesn't mean we need to whitewash (heh) other cultures
[QUOTE=Kopimi;39453282]
(yes we all agree and there was no need to make a post asking if people agreed on something that obvious)[/QUOTE]
Do you? It seems a load of people here agree with demographic-wide forced equality/positive discrimination, which sort of goes against what I said
[QUOTE=Kopimi;39453282][B]nope clearly you are the only one that thinks this down with whitey down with whitey[/B]
(yes we all agree and there was no need to make a post asking if people agreed on something that obvious)[/QUOTE]
I'm just gonna ask
what?
And according to ratings, half the people disagreed with him
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39453303]No
we need to be cool with everyone's differences instead of forcing everyone into one archetype[/QUOTE]
That's exactly what I said means though. Not treating people based on the constructed connotations of whatever group they belong to and acting as if these groups are some sort of hivemind of identical people in identical circumstances
[QUOTE=RobbL;39453305]Do you? It seems a load of people here agree with forced equality/positive discrimination, which sort of goes against what I said[/QUOTE]
forced equality/positive discrimination lmao
equality doesn't mean ignoring people's culture and circumstances and how they got in those circumstances. people are judged on an individual basis and acknowledging that their group is part of an individual doesn't betray that
[QUOTE=RobbL;39453318]That's exactly what I said means though. Not treating people based on the constructed connotations of whatever group they belong to and acting as if these groups are some sort of hivemind of identical people[/QUOTE]
Ah, I didn't see that in your post the first time
That's cool then
[QUOTE=Kopimi;39453336]
equality doesn't mean ignoring people's culture and circumstances and how they got in those circumstances. people are judged on an individual basis and acknowledging that their group is part of an individual doesn't betray that[/QUOTE]
I don't disagree with that- an example of something that goes against what i'm saying is both having lower requirements for women joining the army than men, or not not letting them join at all because they're on average weaker than men
They're both treating people based on the groups they belong to rather than who they are as individuals
[QUOTE=RobbL;39453401]An example of something that goes against what i'm saying is both having lower requirements for women joining the army than men, or not not letting them join at all because they're on average weaker than men[/QUOTE]
cool? i'm not for either of those things soooo
[QUOTE=Kopimi;39453413]cool? i'm not for either of those things soooo[/QUOTE]
So you were probably just misunderstanding me then...
(I don't blame you though, I haven't slept for at least 24 hours so my mind isn't at it's best)
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39453191]Fair enough, I suppose.
It wasn't the fact that people called me a racist, its the fact that people were so quick to judge me because I was white. They assumed that because I was white, I must be a racist.
To be honest, people don't get away with using the word "nigger" anymore. I only saw the word used once, and the guy was later jumped by a group of black kids, and was taken away in an ambulance. And I live in the south, mind you.
Being called a fag, on the other hand, is something that can happen daily. But it isn't reseved to white men. Pretty much anyone who is gay is called a "fag" or "faggot" by anyone who ridducles them.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand what privilege is.
It's not being handed everything you need in life, it's the fact that you [I]aren't[/I] disadvantaged in society for something outside your control.
A couple of guys in middle school making fun of you doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme of things. The fact of the matter is, being a white male isn't going to work against you in the majority of society. Being gay or black most likely will.
Brace yourself for Sanius Squad (sup dori).
Also I don't feel like joining in on this conversation any longer because it's devolved into the exact kind of conversation where everyone just becomes entrenched (even further than before, at least).
The biggest problem with trying to debate these kinds of things is that you guys like to jump on people and say that they can't understand something. Someone posts a thought provoking quote that deals with the white colonization of Africa, suddenly the air is filled with Ad Hominem, He's a bigot, he's a racist, he isn't able to understand anything why bother! No, you're getting offended and instead of acknowledging that a point was made, even if wrong, you just attack him. This isn't how progress is made. You acknowledge the point he's made and counter it, if you can't counter it you wait until you can, or you concede. not post "No you're wrong fuck you fucking bigot!"
Zeke is one of the few people here I believe people can actually have an enjoyable debate/discussion with. He tries to avoid ad hominem (Sticking it to the man, aka personal insults) and thinks of constructive ways to present his perspective on something.
You guys have moved onto the god-awful "privilege" debates. The road-block topic that no one is going to push past because people like to refuse to acknowledge that people can see, or realize their own privilege. Or believe that they should be attacked for having it, or perhaps that they should fight themselves for having the audacity to be born in the majority group.
People also like to pretend that privilege is "one way", you know what? Everyone has privilege. In one way or another, you're privileged more so than some one else. Women have privilege, you know what no man can ever do? no man will ever be able to give birth, we simply don't have the genetic code to do it. We will never be able to bare the task of bringing our own child into the world, we're forced to let someone else do it for us. And now I know you're going to go off and say "You think being able to give birth is a plus!?", but to be honest, it does have a lot of down sides, but yes, the ability to do so IS a plus. Another privilege minorities have, is to BE a minority, to have someone else to point to and say "They're the cause of our problem!", it might be true, it might not, but it allows them protections from criticism or the lash-back that the majority has to be wary of on a daily basis. Men have to be very careful with their actions and wording whenever a woman is involved in a professional situation, or risk being fired. Hell, I remember some sports caster got canned for saying ". . .[url=http://gothamist.com/2012/02/22/chink_in_the_armor_fallout_fired_es.php]well when there's a chink in the armor[/url] . . ." in a completely innocent manner. Unfortunately the player he was referring too just so happened to be Asian, I don't even think the player complained, but he was out of his job next day. Being the majority, people have to walk over so much glass it's not even fucking funny.
I'm not saying that minorities don't have unfortunate issues (the most of which are not their fault), that would be blatantly wrong, a complete ass-hattery of a statement.
I don't even know what I'm saying at this point, I guess I'm just trying to say that privilege is found everywhere, in one way or another. Privilege can be earned, you can be born with it, you can have surgery that gives it to you (probably along with criticism). I guess I'm just tired of hearing that being a white man, I obviously can't understand my own "privilege" and that all the minorities have a harder time than me, and they don't have any privilege, or at least none comparable to my own. But you telling me all that isn't going to change anything except how much I fucking hate trying to talk with you when you bring it up.
Anyway's nothing goods going to come of this thread until someone manages to climb out of the Marianna trench that is the privilege debates, this is Soulharvester, Signing off of this thread.
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Thanks for the hilarious comedic relief, I think most of us in this thread believe in the same things but some of us are a little misdirected or bitter that men/them whiteys are seemingly excluded from certain things which protect people from harm they may have dealt with.
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