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[QUOTE=Riller;38982309]God damn it, America. Get your shit together.[/QUOTE] We tried but Barack Obama was re-elected.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;38985682]We tried but Barack Obama was re-elected.[/QUOTE] b-but the comeback team didnt even want to win!
[QUOTE=areolop;38985716]b-but the comeback team didnt even want to win![/QUOTE] Mitt Romney lost the election because his entire campaign was dedicated to trashing Barack Obama. He didn't have any real plan. Those who voted for him, my self included, mainly voted for him because we'd rather have anyone BUT Barack Obama.
I can't comprehend that sum of money.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;38985738]Mitt Romney lost the election because his entire campaign was dedicated to trashing Barack Obama. He didn't have any real plan. Those who voted for him, my self included, mainly voted for him because we'd rather have anyone BUT Barack Obama.[/QUOTE] Why?
Oh christ my nipples are hard just thinking about it [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8pU6p.gif[/IMG]
WE'RE NUMBER 1 WE'RE NUMBER 1! Those Greece guys don't count.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;38985738]Mitt Romney lost the election because his entire campaign was dedicated to trashing Barack Obama. He didn't have any real plan. Those who voted for him, my self included, mainly voted for him because we'd rather have anyone BUT Barack Obama.[/QUOTE] In what lifetime was Mitt Romney (or any of the other Republican frontrunners for that matter) a better candidate than Barack Obama?
[QUOTE=smurfy;38982465]Cutting taxes and doubling the defence budget is the only solution[/QUOTE] You are a true patriot, sir.
Financial reform round 2 FIGHT (Can we just settle this with a high stakes shpoople game or something) Too bad now that Obama is untouchable he's still going to avoid anything bipartisan (unless its under his definition which means a 99% majority with a 1% minority opposing)
[QUOTE=bisousbisous;38986240]WE'RE NUMBER 1 WE'RE NUMBER 1! Those Greece guys don't count.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbmSE60l7Fo[/media]
[QUOTE=Medevilae;38982423]If the US heads into a recession, the whole world will feel it too[/QUOTE] fixed.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;38985738]Mitt Romney lost the election because his entire campaign was dedicated to trashing Barack Obama. He didn't have any real plan. Those who voted for him, my self included, mainly voted for him because we'd rather have anyone BUT Barack Obama.[/QUOTE] 1) Giving your vote to one person for the sole sake of being against another is stupid. 2) Obama didn't do this, blame it on Congress and your Congressman.
[QUOTE=Sableye;38986736]Financial reform round 2 FIGHT (Can we just settle this with a high stakes shpoople game or something) Too bad now that Obama is untouchable he's still going to avoid anything bipartisan (unless its under his definition which means a 99% majority with a 1% minority opposing)[/QUOTE]And none too soon. He spent basically his entire first term compromising with the GOP and we've struggled to do anything meaningful. His reelection has already done a great deal of damage to the GOP, and the American populace has turned against them as well. So I'd be more than happy to see him take a much more staunch approach to matters if it means backing the GOP in to a corner and more progress on the whole.
Fuck you congress, you're fired. All of you.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38985415]American healthcare should be nationalized.[/QUOTE] I don't think that's the answer either. It might be better than nothing but I'm almost certain that there are better ways to do it
[QUOTE=Kasuga Ayumu;38987102]I don't think that's the answer either. It might be better than nothing but I'm almost certain that there are better ways to do it[/QUOTE] Such as? Currently we have a system where corporations can profit off of insuring human bodies. Now given that everyone has a body and pretty much everyone needs to see a doctor at some point, how about we just integrate the care of said bodies into the government and offset the cost with taxes.
[QUOTE=GunFox;38987122]Such as? Currently we have a system where corporations can profit off of insuring human bodies. Now given that everyone has a body and pretty much everyone needs to see a doctor at some point, how about we just integrate the care of said bodies into the government and offset the cost with taxes.[/QUOTE] I'm thinking increase competition among health insurance companies to drive down the prices by allowing them to compete across state lines might be a better first step. a national market will vastly increase competition, and will vastly reduce prices on healthcare
[QUOTE=Kasuga Ayumu;38987142]I'm thinking increase competition among health insurance companies to drive down the prices by allowing them to compete across state lines might be a better first step. a national market will vastly increase competition, and will vastly reduce prices on healthcare[/QUOTE]That was part of the Affordable Care Act as far as I recall. And that still will only do so much. It'd be better to just go with a national system.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38987173]That was part of the Affordable Care Act as far as I recall. And that still will only do so much. It'd be better to just go with a national system.[/QUOTE] it's not though, all the affordable care act does is mandate health insurance and require insurance companies to accept people with preexisting conditions which I think since both demand and operating cost will be going up might possibly drive up the price of the insurance for the consumer. Interstate commerce made the United States into one of the most powerful consumer-driven markets in history but health insurance is the only field where interstate commerce is specifically prohibited as far as I'm aware. If that's changed, I think it could do so much more for the American people than the Affordable Care Act ever could.
[QUOTE=Kasuga Ayumu;38987142]I'm thinking increase competition among health insurance companies to drive down the prices by allowing them to compete across state lines might be a better first step. a national market will vastly increase competition, and will vastly reduce prices on healthcare[/QUOTE] Insurance providers already just have subsidiaries in each state. It will bring about zero difference. And again, companies who make money by NOT PROVIDING CARE. Their goal is to pay out the absolute minimum amount of money they can.
[QUOTE=Kasuga Ayumu;38987142]I'm thinking increase competition among health insurance companies to drive down the prices by allowing them to compete across state lines might be a better first step. a national market will vastly increase competition, and will vastly reduce prices on healthcare[/QUOTE] Allowing a basic minimum of healthcare should be a priority. Private enterprise can operate alongside it too (which happens here in Britain).
[QUOTE=GunFox;38987200]Insurance providers already just have subsidiaries in each state. It will bring about zero difference. And again, companies who make money by NOT PROVIDING CARE. Their goal is to pay out the absolute minimum amount of money they can.[/QUOTE] the thing is though insurance in some states is still cheaper than in others because of different mandates in each state for health insurance. If they knew I could go to Florida or whatever for health insurance and get a better deal that would drive down the price in my own state
Convert it to communism [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Meme reply" - Megafan))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=GunFox;38987122]Such as? Currently we have a system where corporations can profit off of insuring human bodies. Now given that everyone has a body and pretty much everyone needs to see a doctor at some point, how about we just integrate the care of said bodies into the government and offset the cost with taxes.[/QUOTE] Good luck doing that with even a single GOP politician in Congress.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38987260]Good luck doing that with even a single GOP politician in Congress.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't a single GOP guy have little political say though?
[QUOTE=Kasuga Ayumu;38987191]it's not though, all the affordable care act does is mandate health insurance and require insurance companies to accept people with preexisting conditions which I think since both demand and operating cost will be going up might possibly drive up the price of the insurance for the consumer. Interstate commerce made the United States into one of the most powerful consumer-driven markets in history but health insurance is the only field where interstate commerce is specifically prohibited as far as I'm aware. If that's changed, I think it could do so much more for the American people than the Affordable Care Act ever could.[/QUOTE] The Affordable Care Act did a lot more than just institute a mandate and remove preexisting conditions. And I was actually remembering the Choice Compacts states can create. This allows insurers to sell insurance to any states within a compact they are part of.
I would like to take a seat in the Senate or House, just to finally sit down and get shit done... or, at least, done on my end.
[QUOTE=areolop;38987298]I would like to take a seat in the Senate or House, just to finally sit down and get shit done... or, at least, done on my end.[/QUOTE] You fucking wish The thing is, a lot of this shit isn't the fault of congressmen, it's the fault of our governmental system in general. There are so many bills being proposed at any given time congressmen don't have time to read them over, and instead have entire staff teams devoted to summarizing bills and giving opinions to their respective congressmen. Congressmen are nothing but figureheads trying to make their best judgement based on soundbites of bills with information that may or may not be faulty, not to mention omnibuses and other fucked up legislative factors. Plus that you have party figures screaming down your ass with the power to demote you into lower committee positions if you don't do what they say. Plus that even if you believe something to be moral and in the interest of the common good you still have to worry about what your constituents want, no matter how stupid their opinions are. Even if you weren't corrupt or taking bribes you'd still have one hell of a time trying to do what's right. tl;dr you or I would be just as much of a fuckup congressmen as the rest of them.
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