Milo Yiannopoulos & Martin Shkreli event canceled at UC Davis after violent protests - Polidicks

Protesting protests? Wonder how that'll go

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51671131]Protesting protests? Wonder how that'll go[/QUOTE] I for one protest the inevitable protest of the protest against last nights protests.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51670956]Notice how I specified how it was a non-sequitur when I called him out for it. Your assertion is Meaningless unless you would like to do the same.[/QUOTE] Everything you've said has nothing to do with the actual topic at hand.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51671405]I for one protest the inevitable protest of the protest against last nights protests.[/QUOTE] I protest the protesters, who are going to protest today's protesters, who are protesting the protesters from the protest last night.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51671438]I protest the protesters, who are going to protest today's protesters, who are protesting the protesters from the protest last night.[/QUOTE] this is a complicated situation that should be analyzed through professional examination. also called a pro test

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51671447]this is a complicated situation that should be analyzed through professional examination. also called a pro test[/QUOTE] im protesting this test i dont want it to happen

[QUOTE=Tudd;51671438]I protest the protesters, who are going to protest today's protesters, who are protesting the protesters from the protest last night.[/QUOTE] I protest any posts that protest these protests.

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;51671429]Everything you've said has nothing to do with the actual topic at hand.[/QUOTE] Thank you for that very useful challenge.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51671492]Thank you for that very useful challenge.[/QUOTE] You asked me to specify.

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;51671504]You asked me to specify.[/QUOTE] I can't tell if you're trolling or actually too stupid to read. I assume the parts where I specifically talk about the protestors is about the topic of the protestors.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51671515]I can't tell if you're trolling or actually too stupid to read.[/QUOTE] I could say the same thing, except I wouldn't call you stupid.

Chancellor of the UC Davis made a statement on the event. [quote]After consulting with UC Davis Police Department and UC Davis Student Affairs officials, the Davis College Republicans canceled tonight's event featuring Breitbart columnist Milo Yiannopoulos. The decision was made at about 7:00 pm, 30 minutes prior to the scheduled start of the event, after a large number of protesters blocked access to the venue, and it was determined that it was no longer feasible to continue with the event safely. “I am deeply disappointed with the events of this evening,” said Interim Chancellor Ralph J. Hexter. “Our community is founded on principles of respect for all views, even those that we personally find repellent. As I have stated repeatedly, a university is at its best when it listens to and critically engages opposing views, especially ones that many of us find upsetting or even offensive.” Despite some reports, there were no broken windows or other property damage during the protest. Earlier in the evening, one person was arrested inside the venue. No further arrests were made. [/quote] [url]https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/message-interim-chancellor-ralph-j-hexter-event-cancellation[/url]

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;51671530]I could say the same thing, except I wouldn't call you stupid.[/QUOTE] Notice again how I justify my point with a specific argument while you just throw out accusations. That's the difference between serious discussion and trolling. [editline]14th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Tudd;51671541]Chancellor of the UC Davis made a statement on the event. [URL]https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/message-interim-chancellor-ralph-j-hexter-event-cancellation[/URL][/QUOTE] No one cares about his "deep disappointment" if he's not willing to do anything about it. Why was there no security or police there to stop the obstruction?

[QUOTE=Tamschi;51670617]She's worse. (Yes, I've seen her videos.) The main difference is that she's more factually dishonest and slanders completely innocent (groups of) people. At least the people Yiannopoulos trashes [I]usually[/I] get themselves into this mess because they commit actual crimes or are intolerant to the point where it approaches parody.[/QUOTE] How about his articles targeting well-deserving people like "Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy" and “The solution to online ‘harassment’ is simple: Women should log off.” Like I really can't help but be on the side of the protesters (at least the ones who weren't violent) because Milo has historically used these talks to target individuals on campus who he dislikes and continually mocks and shames them and invites his listeners to target them.

[QUOTE=1239the;51671652]How about his articles targeting well-deserving people like "Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy" and “The solution to online ‘harassment’ is simple: Women should log off.” Like I really can't help but be on the side of the protesters (at least the ones who weren't violent) because Milo has historically used these talks to target individuals on campus who he dislikes and continually mocks and shames them and invites his listeners to target them.[/QUOTE] Alright, I hadn't seen those. That puts him about at the same level then. I still think it's utterly stupid to actually block the event from starting though, both on a moral and a politically practical level. It would be ten times more effective to just write a matter-of-fact report on the horrible stuff he'd have said at the event (assuming he'd have done so). [editline]edit[/editline] I should probably elaborate on this a bit since I don't think this is a common view: Personally, I think it's much nicer if someone's honest about being an asshole and selfish than if someone pretends they're truly good and altruistic but does that kind of thing behind the scenes. The reason for that is that it's usually really straightforward to disagree with people in the former category. Our goals may differ (a lot), but the disagreement is usually in the realm of opinions and priorities rather than facts. Even if there's the rare case where I'm morally completely opposed to someone's views, I can just tell them I don't want to be associated with them and things usually mostly work out by themselves if we broadcast what we believe in independently from each other (since in my experience people are usually well-meaning). With people like Sarkeesian who [I]pretend[/I] to promote a lot of the stuff I want (I'm fairly progressive and strongly for gender equality and diversity), it's always a huge mess to deal with the fallout because they cause huge amounts of collateral damage through their lies. Sarkeesian in particular is actually a pretty great example of that, because her fearmongering is turning girls and young women away from pursuing a career in technology. In her words that would probably be 'pernicious', but I highly doubt she cares at all about the diversity of the creators. Even that aside, you get uninformed people like Samiam22 defending con artists. In worse cases that usually means they'll go out of their way to attack and smear those who even mildly disagree with them. [URL="https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/559498020614438912"]Sarkeesian herself tries to brand any kind of criticism as smears or slander[/URL][URL="https://tweetsave.com/femfreq/status/559498020614438912"],[/URL] even if it only attacks the dishonesty of her videos when compared to actual research on the effects games have on people. She also fans flames on the most extreme backlash against her work, which, together with [URL="http://metaleater.com/video-games/feature/why-feminist-frequency-almost-made-me-quit-writing-about-video-games-part-4"]her own sexism and prejudices also against women[/URL][URL="https://archive.is/Uf1mP"],[/URL] is pushing back gender equality and diversity in the medium far more than someone like Yiannopoulos could.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;51671900]Alright, I hadn't seen those. That puts him about at the same level then. I still think it's utterly stupid to actually block the event from starting though, both on a moral and a politically practical level. It would be ten times more effective to just write a matter-of-fact report on the horrible stuff he'd have said at the event (assuming he'd have done so). [editline]edit[/editline] I should probably elaborate on this a bit since I don't think this is a common view: Personally, I think it's much nicer if someone's honest about being an asshole and selfish than if someone pretends they're truly good and altruistic but does that kind of thing behind the scenes. The reason for that is that it's usually really straightforward to disagree with people in the former category. Our goals may differ (a lot), but the disagreement is usually in the realm of opinions and priorities rather than facts. Even if there's the rare case where I'm morally completely opposed to someone's views, I can just tell them I don't want to be associated with them and things usually mostly work out by themselves if we broadcast what we believe in independently from each other (since in my experience people are usually well-meaning). With people like Sarkeesian who [I]pretend[/I] to promote a lot of the stuff I want (I'm fairly progressive and strongly for gender equality and diversity), it's always a huge mess to deal with the fallout because they cause huge amounts of collateral damage through their lies. Sarkeesian in particular is actually a pretty great example of that, because her fearmongering is turning girls and young women away from pursuing a career in technology. In her words that would probably be 'pernicious', but I highly doubt she cares at all about the diversity of the creators. Even that aside, you get uninformed people like Samiam22 defending con artists. In worse cases that usually means they'll go out of their way to attack and smear those who even mildly disagree with them. [URL="https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/559498020614438912"]Sarkeesian herself tries to brand any kind of criticism as smears or slander[/URL][URL="https://tweetsave.com/femfreq/status/559498020614438912"],[/URL] even if it only attacks the dishonesty of her videos when compared to actual research on the effects games have on people. She also fans flames on the most extreme backlash against her work, which, together with [URL="http://metaleater.com/video-games/feature/why-feminist-frequency-almost-made-me-quit-writing-about-video-games-part-4"]her own sexism and prejudices also against women[/URL][URL="https://archive.is/Uf1mP"],[/URL] is pushing back gender equality and diversity in the medium far more than someone like Yiannopoulos could.[/QUOTE] I seriously doubt that either Anita Sarkeesian or Milo Yiannopoulos are doing anything to push back gender equality or diversity in any medium because the only people who even know who they are are those who either followed GamerGate or the internet shitposting memespace that is vaguely defined as the alt-right. If you ask a person on the street who either of those two individuals are, they would likely have no idea who you are talking about and probably would not care even if you told them. Sarkeesian is a nobody who hasn't even been heard from since 2014 and Yiannopoulos is just an internet shitposter who happens to write for a right-wing conspiracy theory magazine. Step outside the internet echochamber for 5 seconds and you'll see that the wider world cares nothing about these two individuals.

What I'll never get is why don't these guys just actually debate them, I'd watch the fuck out of someone picking apart Milo but at the end of the day if people want to see them and listen to their lectures they should be able to even if others don't agree, this is how we make progress not by belittling them and making them feel even more correct about them selves Telling people to shut up based on the fact you don't like what they're saying or disagree with it then claim they are fascists is pretty fucking ironic either way Milo and Shkreli have to be the two smuggest cunts on this planet

It was mentioned before in a previous thread about Milo, but who on the left would people suggest to debate Milo? (and yes he has done real debates before)

[QUOTE=Lollipoopdeck;51672651]What I'll never get is why don't these guys just actually debate them, I'd watch the fuck out of someone picking apart Milo but at the end of the day if people want to see them and listen to their lectures they should be able to even if others don't agree, this is how we make progress not by belittling them and making them feel even more correct about them selves Telling people to shut up based on the fact you don't like what they're saying or disagree with it then claim they are fascists is pretty fucking ironic either way Milo and Shkreli have to be the two smuggest cunts on this planet[/QUOTE] Ultimately it comes down to this: What's the point? Why do the facepunch moderators ban people who go into threads, refuse to engage with anyone and do nothing except post racial slurs and spew bullshit about how [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1501338&p=49518971&viewfull=1#post49518971]a little girl should've dodged a bullet[/url], [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1496613&p=49284276&viewfull=1#post49284276]how it's okay to fuck animals[/url], [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1509510&p=49890436&viewfull=1#post49890436]how it's okay to fuck corpses[/url] or how everyone who disagrees with them is a paid clinton shill? Why don't we respect their opinions and not belittle them? Isn't that some russian-style tyrannical type bullshit? Milo is just an internet shitposter who makes disengenious arguments, lies, insults people and publicly harrasses them for his own enjoyment. Why should he be treated any differently than any other internet shitposter? Moreover, why should anyone be forced to engage with him and his awful behavior on any level?

Liberal students acting like apes because they want to be seen as martyrs in this age of 'opression',am I suppose be surprised?

Milo and Ben Shapiro do actually ask people to debate them though. But I think the last time a left person debated Milo officially was Rubin.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51672717]It was mentioned before in a previous thread about Milo, but who on the left would people suggest to debate Milo? (and yes he has done real debates before)[/QUOTE] What's the point anymore? Clearly all people want to do is break things and yell(or shitpost gigantic paragraphs) until they get their way. Might as well get Louis CK to debate Milo for all it matters

[QUOTE=SilverHammer;51672759]What's the point anymore? Clearly all people want to do is break things and yell(or shitpost gigantic paragraphs) until they get their way. Might as well get Louis CK to debate Milo for all it matters[/QUOTE] If you want to engage with people who disagree with you, you could actually address some of the people in this thread and make a solid argument. Not disingenuously associating people with a small group of violent protestors via guilt by association would be a nice start.

[QUOTE=SilverHammer;51672759]What's the point anymore? Clearly all people want to do is break things and yell(or shitpost gigantic paragraphs) until they get their way. Might as well get Louis CK to debate Milo for all it matters[/QUOTE] Well you aren't particularly wrong on breaking stuff. [media]https://youtu.be/iv2UFjw-Qu8[/media]

No one wants to debate Milo because he'll just say a bunch of offensive shit, talk over his opponent, throw out some soundbytes then run off to make a highlight reel showing how he 'won' by condensing an hour of him being a dickhead down to a few choice clips.

[QUOTE=1239the;51672928]No one wants to debate Milo because he'll just say a bunch of offensive shit, talk over his opponent, throw out some soundbytes then run off to make a highlight reel showing how he 'won' by condensing an hour of him being a dickhead down to a few choice clips.[/QUOTE] Has anybody ever actually debated him successfully? Surely it wouldn't be impossible to find the unedited footage given that the debates are usually recorded by hundreds of cell phones and independent cameras that don't fall under his editorial control. Sounds a lot like you're just talking nonsense.

Milo was a career debater on BBC for a long time. The idea you can't debate him is hilarious. [media]https://youtu.be/m3_2svKFkE4[/media] And not so much a debate, but perhaps showing there can be a sensible discussion to be had between left/right opinions. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiA0P9iELAA[/media] If anything Milo is the reasonable debater who actually lets his opponent make their point and then rebuttal instead of cutting them off.

[QUOTE=1239the;51672928]No one wants to debate Milo because he'll just say a bunch of offensive shit[/QUOTE] "other opinions are offensive"

[QUOTE=meek;51673039]"other opinions are offensive"[/QUOTE] Didn't he have a powerpoint with a picture of a university faculty member and the words 'big fat faggot' over it at some point? That's uh... Pretty offensive.

I hate that Martin Shkreli became something of a celebrity by effectively damning people to their deaths for profit.