• Milo Yiannopoulos & Martin Shkreli event canceled at UC Davis after violent protests
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[QUOTE=srobins;51673820]Hm, you know, I typically hate when people use this phrase in internet arguments but.. Isn't this a little something called "shifting goalposts"? It doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your argument when you have to constantly concede and divert attention to lesser and lesser offenses just so you have a reason to keep talking.. Have you considered maybe [I]you[/I] are the one that's wrong? It might be time for break.[/QUOTE] Shkreli raised the price of the drug which people needed to live to the point where hospitals couldn't afford to stock it, and then when there was a massive public backlash Turing issued free medicine to the people affected, indicating that they knew they were doing the wrong thing in the first place. What part do you not understand? Shkreli is a horrible person for raising the price of a drug which people needed to live.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51673813]Read the post again, I don't think it's that confusing.[/QUOTE] Yeah, you said that he's almost killing people, but before you said that he was actively killing people. I'm trying to figure out which it is because it seems like you're trying to backpedal without acknowledging how ridiculous your previous statement was.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51673839]Yeah, you said that he's almost killing people, but before you said that he was actively killing people.[/QUOTE] Shkreli is a horrible person for raising the price of a drug which people needed to live. If you understand what I was saying at all, you would see that I've been completely logically consistent with that point.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51673813]If Shkreli had no intention of making people pay more for the drug, why would he raise the price in the first place?[/QUOTE] My favorite part about this post is that after all your ranting and raving and claiming some sort of authority on the subject, it's clear that this question isn't even rhetorical, you actually don't know the answer lol. It's because, as I [I]have already stated[/I], the majority of the cost is shouldered by massive multi-billion dollar insurance companies, to which this price increase is virtually [I]nothing[/I]. For the little people who are caught in extenuating circumstances, and for the clinics/pharmacies/hospitals who fall outside of the typical insurance safety net and require assistance, Turing has provided the drug either free or at great discount. So they still get paid, and nobody dies. Crazy how that works, huh? It's almost as if this whole fiasco isn't as big of a deal as Huffington Post said it was!
[QUOTE=Zyler;51673842]Shkreli is a horrible person for raising the price of a drug which people needed to live. If you understand what I was saying at all, you would see that I've been completely logically consistent with that point.[/QUOTE] Are you purposefully ignoring your previous statement about him actively killing people?
[QUOTE=srobins;51673844]My favorite part about this post is that after all your ranting and raving and claiming some sort of authority on the subject, it's clear that this question isn't even rhetorical, you actually don't know the answer lol. It's because, as I [I]have already stated[/I], the majority of the cost is shouldered by massive multi-billion dollar insurance companies, to which this price increase is virtually [I]nothing[/I]. For the little people who are caught in extenuating circumstances, and for the clinics/pharmacies/hospitals who fall outside of the typical insurance safety net and require assistance, Turing has provided the drug either free or at great discount. So they still get paid, and nobody dies. Crazy how that works, huh? It's almost as if this whole fiasco isn't as big of a deal as you read on HuffPo![/QUOTE] Hospitals were unable to stock the medicine because they could not afford the increased prices. Insurance companies have to raise premiums in order to offset the increased price of the drug. The above linked letter in one of my previous posts says that the new prices effectively made the average cost $336,000 for those who weigh less than 132 pounds, and $634,500 for those who weigh more than that. Only after immense public pressure did Turring offer compensation to the individuals affected by offering free medication. I guess if a murderer tries to kill someone and I stop them that means the murderer had no intention of killing someone in the first place. I didn't read about this on HuffPo, once again your incredible degree of bias is showing. [editline]15th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;51673853]Are you purposefully ignoring your previous statement about him actively killing people?[/QUOTE] I'm saying I've been completely consistent in the logic of my argument if you can understand what I am saying, can you prove otherwise?
[QUOTE=Zyler;51673860]I'm saying I've been completely consistent in the logic of my argument if you can understand what I am saying, can you prove otherwise?[/QUOTE] You said: [QUOTE]Raising the price of a drug that people need to live tends to do that.[/QUOTE] In reference to the price hike actively killing people. You then said: [QUOTE]Yes, I'm upset because his actions almost did kill people[/QUOTE] Which is it? It's a pretty big difference. "Almost killing" people and then preventing their death by giving the drug away for free is very different than letting people actively die.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51673903]You said: In reference to the price hike actively killing people. You then said: Which is it? It's a pretty big difference. "Almost killing" people and then preventing their death by giving the drug away fro free is a pretty big difference than actively killing people.[/QUOTE] I didn't say that in reference to the price hike actively killing people, I said that in reference to raising the price of a drug that people need to live, hence why I said "Raising the price of a drug that people need to live tends to do that" not "raising the price of a drug and actively killing people". You must've scoured through all of my posts looking for an example of me phrasing something I said 2 pages ago in order to contradict the phrasing of something I said more recently, but you didn't find anything. Even if you did, it wouldn't mean anything because it is just that, phrasing. You have no actual argument now. That's why you're analysing my language instead of what I am actually saying because you cannot rebutt my argument in any way, shape or form.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51673656]Do you want somebody to deconstruct Milo and Shrekli's arguments in order to prove to you that they are full of crap? Or are you arguing that it is a sign of hypocrisy for anyone to dismiss the two individuals as horrible people without debating them in a civil debate? If it's the first thing, I'm more than willing to deconstruct any of their arguments if anyone in this thread can show them to me. Moreover, I'm sure there are plenty of people who are much smarter than me who have analysed and disproven every statement they have ever made and you could find it if you went looking for it. If it's the second thing, why should anybody want to debate Milo or Shkreli? All that's going to happen is that the person arguing with them is going to come up with good or bad sounding arguments and Milo or Shkreli are going to insult, bully, harass and victimize anyone who disagrees with them. You didn't answer, the questions in my previous post. What's the point in addressing their opinions and not the opinions of the facepuncher who wants to fuck animals, or the one who wants to fuck corpses? Why shouldn't any of those people be allowed to express themselves without being dismissed no matter how horrible their behavior is?[/Quote] I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of them not listening to their argument they're just screaming at them like fucking children, plus the thought process that I'm left with that they're using is, "Your opinion is not mine or the same as mine. I don't give a Fuck." Because they're acting like children. I've watched like one of Milos videos, just because I heard all the shit about him and thought I'd see what he had to say and I don't really care what he is saying at all but thats fine, unless he is attacking someone then yeah I agree it should be brought up or w/e and I've saw a few of Shkrelis articles and watched that one video of him talking to the guy who had HIV, plus that one video of that chick calling him names and shit while he sits and laughs at her and the Vice interview where he comes across like a nutcase. I just think Shkreli is a dick, but the media really exaggerated it in a negative way for a response plus I just find it interesting to follow sometimes. I'm not saying anyone should debate them, just if it annoys you that much. If they harass you leave with that footage of them being children rofl. I didn't answer them because I thought they were you joking, I don't fucking know/care what the mods are doing, ask them? I didn't say anyone should respect their opinions I'm saying don't throw dog shit rofl, I didn't mean to come across as if they should be exempt from criticism or hate, you put your shit opinions people will send shit back, but they'll keep posting their shitty opinions just to spite you, so you have to prove them wrong or apparently just throw dog shit at them OR just stop giving them the attention they'll die out like you said. As for all that shit with facepunch, dogs, dead people and fucking. I don't know if you're trying to compare some random fuck on the internet saying something weird and kinda hilarious, who might just be saying it to be wierd, to someone with a fucking book coming out to have the same social-political impact, then I don't know what to say. Either way someone threw dog shit at Shkreli and I still find it funny, its mean but funny.
[QUOTE=Lollipoopdeck;51674017]I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of them not listening to their argument they're just screaming at them like fucking children, plus the thought process that I'm left with that they're using is, "Your opinion is not mine or the same as mine. I don't give a Fuck." Because they're acting like children. I've watched like one of Milos videos, just because I heard all the shit about him and thought I'd see what he had to say and I don't really care what he is saying at all but thats fine, unless he is attacking someone then yeah I agree it should be brought up or w/e and I've saw a few of Shkrelis articles and watched that one video of him talking to the guy who had HIV, plus that one video of that chick calling him names and shit while he sits and laughs at her and the Vice interview where he comes across like a nutcase. I just think Shkreli is a dick, but the media really exaggerated it in a negative way for a response plus I just find it interesting to follow sometimes. I'm not saying anyone should debate them, just if it annoys you that much. If they harass you leave with that footage of them being children rofl. I didn't answer them because I thought they were you joking, I don't fucking know/care what the mods are doing, ask them? I didn't say anyone should respect their opinions I'm saying don't throw dog shit rofl, I didn't mean to come across as if they should be exempt from criticism or hate, you put your shit opinions people will send shit back, but they'll keep posting their shitty opinions just to spite you, so you have to prove them wrong or apparently just throw dog shit at them OR just stop giving them the attention they'll die out like you said. As for all that shit with facepunch, dogs, dead people and fucking. I don't know if you're trying to compare some random fuck on the internet saying something weird and kinda hilarious, who might just be saying it to be wierd, to someone with a fucking book coming out to have the same social-political impact, then I don't know what to say. Either way someone threw dog shit at Shkreli and I still find it funny, its mean but funny.[/QUOTE] I don't support any kind of violent behaviour and I think we're in agreement that the way that people have been violently reacting to these situations has been ridiculous and unacceptable. At the same time, I think (peacefully) protesting these individuals is fine for people to do as long they aren't, as you said, throwing dog shit or anything similiar.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51672505]I seriously doubt that either Anita Sarkeesian or Milo Yiannopoulos are doing anything to push back gender equality or diversity in any medium because the only people who even know who they are are those who either followed GamerGate or the internet shitposting memespace that is vaguely defined as the alt-right. If you ask a person on the street who either of those two individuals are, they would likely have no idea who you are talking about and probably would not care even if you told them. Sarkeesian is a nobody who hasn't even been heard from since 2014 and Yiannopoulos is just an internet shitposter who happens to write for a right-wing conspiracy theory magazine. Step outside the internet echochamber for 5 seconds and you'll see that the wider world cares nothing about these two individuals.[/QUOTE] 1. I'm a left-winger. 2. I'm German. The ratio this stuff has in terms of information I'm exposed to is [I]small[/I]. I take offence to you immediately putting me into a box like this. You'd probably feel right at home with the 'internet shitposting memespace that is vaguely defined as the alt-right' in that regard, though. 3. I never alleged Yiannopoulos was reducing diversity. I said his approach is pretty bad at that. (It's polarising, which is a different problem that I [I]personally[/I] find easier to deal with.) 4. I've seen more than one report of someone deciding against going into games professionally because of the climate of fear Sarkeesian creates. 5. [URL="http://archive.is/uFT5D"]She's in TIME's top 100 most influential people 2015[/URL] (though that may be due to cronyism) and spoke at the UN that same year on harassment and gender issues. [URL="https://blog.twitter.com/2016/announcing-the-twitter-trust-safety-council"]Her company's also on Twitter's trust and safety council established last year[/URL][URL="http://archive.is/OCW6r"].[/URL] Maybe you don't care about this stuff, and that's fine. I personally really like weird indie games that don't follow the mainstream approaches, so it's sad to read things like that because of the lost potential. I admit this is personal preference though. I also care a lot about people having equal opportunity in whatever they want to do (I consider myself an egalitarian, not only regarding gender), so it's pretty bad to see someone like that as one of feminism's more prominent figureheads. Consider this: Maybe [I]you[/I]'re the one who should step out of their box and see that people have different priorities in their lives. Thanks for the strawman though. I'll put it with the ones I regularly get from people on whatever fringes of the political spectrum they're on.
Totally forgot she was on that twitter thing. The UN speech with Zoe Quinn is still awful to remember.
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