• 676 arrested, tons of drugs seized in U.S. bust of Mexican cartels
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12 milions is nothing, war on drugs costs trilions... lol seized drugs, weapon, people... what will this help us? drugs get destroyed, weapon... maybe same, and people, locked in not for ever. tada, war on drugs => throwing your precious taxpayers money away.
is there videos of some cool take downs?
[QUOTE=Bllasae;28316188]I thought you guys said the War on Drugs didn't work? Proof right here.[/QUOTE] I think you should reply to arguments made here rather than just vanish when you're called out like normal.
Wow there's a serious bandwagon going on here for "pffft that's nothing". Do you realize how many people 676 people is? That's roughly [url=http://www.actionimagephoto.com/Images/700_people_op_644x429.jpg]this[/url] many people. Although the cartels can always recruit new people, it doesn't happen instantly and 676 people don't just instantly turn to crime to fill a drop out. Like I said before, I don't care about drugs. I'd prefer if they'd just legalize marijuana and stop bitching about it, everyone just does it anyways. The cartels themselves are the problem though. If you're just annoyed because you think prohibition is stupid, just think of it as 676 dicks being arrested, everyone's usually happy about that.
[QUOTE=Elspin;28324834]Wow there's a serious bandwagon going on here for "pffft that's nothing". Do you realize how many people 676 people is? That's roughly [url=http://www.actionimagephoto.com/Images/700_people_op_644x429.jpg]this[/url] many people. Although the cartels can always recruit new people, it doesn't happen instantly and 676 people don't just instantly turn to crime to fill a drop out. Like I said before, I don't care about drugs. I'd prefer if they'd just legalize marijuana and stop bitching about it, everyone just does it anyways. The cartels themselves are the problem though. If you're just annoyed because you think prohibition is stupid, just think of it as 676 dicks being arrested, everyone's usually happy about that.[/QUOTE] It's hard to be happy about it when its our policy which made said dicks so dangerous and elusive in the first place. It's hard to be happy about it when more than that have died in Mexico due to drug related violence in any given year. Internet says somewhere around 28,000+ (dead) since 2006, there have been more shootouts between cartel and policemen in that time frame than there were busts in this event.
The kingpins are still out and about, the DEA only snagged pawns. The DEA wont win the "war" this way.
It recently passed 30K the drug war has to stop, its probably been the most harmful policy of the last century. (aside from genocide).
[quote]John Morton, the immigration and customs agency's director, said the effort showed what U.S. law enforcement could do when working together on the issue, while stressing that [b]its work wasn't complete[/b].[/quote] And it never will be.
[QUOTE=Elspin;28324834]Wow there's a serious bandwagon going on here for "pffft that's nothing". Do you realize how many people 676 people is? That's roughly [url=http://www.actionimagephoto.com/Images/700_people_op_644x429.jpg]this[/url] many people. Although the cartels can always recruit new people, it doesn't happen instantly and 676 people don't just instantly turn to crime to fill a drop out. Like I said before, I don't care about drugs. I'd prefer if they'd just legalize marijuana and stop bitching about it, everyone just does it anyways. The cartels themselves are the problem though. If you're just annoyed because you think prohibition is stupid, just think of it as 676 dicks being arrested, everyone's usually happy about that.[/QUOTE] They could literally have never risen if it was legal. Al Capone made a killing on legal alcohol, right?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28328636]They could literally have never risen if it was legal. Al Capone made a killing on legal alcohol, right?[/QUOTE] Did you read my post? I even said I agree the laws are stupid, but in the meantime this is a good thing.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28328636]They could literally have never risen if it was legal. Al Capone made a killing on legal alcohol, right?[/QUOTE] Actually, the main reason why prohibition failed was because they were able to accumulate enough power and money to be able to skirt the law easily or even pretend to be in it. The Drug cartels have that power in Mexico and Columbia, but not in the states. Infact they've started shifting their market to Europe instead, outputting more cocaine and heroine which is much bigger in Europe. I'll have to find the BBC article.
will be replaced by another possibly bigger organization overnight.
[QUOTE=Virtanen;28328914]will be replaced by another possibly bigger organization overnight.[/QUOTE] No it won't. I like how everyone thinks this will be instantaneous. It takes years to set up a proper front and to actually start raking in proper income from those fronts.
[QUOTE=Swilly;28329003]No it won't. I like how everyone thinks this will be instantaneous. It takes years to set up a proper front and to actually start raking in proper income from those fronts.[/QUOTE] This man is right. This dealt a huge blow to Mexican drug cartels, and they won't recover from the damage for years. But this didn't solve any problems, this damage is only temporary, and as long as these drugs are illegal the cartels will rebuild. And even if they eliminated [I]all[/I] cartels in Mexico, new ones would rise up and fill the void. The amount of money to be made in this business in incalculable and there will always be someone profiting off it, this hurt the cartels, but in a few years, they'll be back to how they were before this raid.
I'm just a tad bit surprised that the pounds of both meth and heroin were not at least in the hundreds. Mexico is a big supplier for meth from what I heard. This whole bust is soooooooo damn big though. I hope it helps with taking out this fucking cartels because all you hear about at the border is murder. I saw a Nat Geo show that talked about a border town in Texas and how it literally has one of the highest murder rates in the world right now because fucking cartels are making it a huge warzone.
We have to destroy all of this marijuana in a series of small, controlled fires. For a small fee, I will take the burden upon myself to do it.
[QUOTE=Micr0;28329890]This man is right. This dealt a huge blow to Mexican drug cartels, and they won't recover from the damage for years. But this didn't solve any problems, this damage is only temporary, and as long as these drugs are illegal the cartels will rebuild. And even if they eliminated [I]all[/I] cartels in Mexico, new ones would rise up and fill the void. The amount of money to be made in this business in incalculable and there will always be someone profiting off it, this hurt the cartels, but in a few years, they'll be back to how they were before this raid.[/QUOTE] how is this a huge blow? 12 million is nothing to these people, neither is arresting their footmen (mexico is FULL of 18 year olds looking to make easy money muling or killing for the cartels) + i'm pretty sure the cartels don't even work together so, they hit one cartel, the rest just have that much more customers
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;28335263]how is this a huge blow? 12 million is nothing to these people, neither is arresting their footmen (mexico is FULL of 18 year olds looking to make easy money muling or killing for the cartels) + i'm pretty sure the cartels don't even work together so, they hit one cartel, the rest just have that much more customers[/QUOTE] Yeah, I dunno why people are acting like 12 million is a lot of money to these fuckers. Or that 656 people, are REALLY that hard to replace when you don't have two fucking pennies to rub together. hey elspin, you got something to say or you just hate being wrong?
From a legal stand point, I commend these people on doing a good bust From a moral stand point, I say it's high time we just legalize it and be done with it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28336628]Yeah, I dunno why people are acting like 12 million is a lot of money to these fuckers. Or that 656 people, are REALLY that hard to replace when you don't have two fucking pennies to rub together.[/QUOTE] You act like the cartel leaders just go "Alright chaps RECRUITMENT DRIVE!" and just drive around on trucks handing out leaflets, then they have 676 people on trucks by mid-afternoon trained to know everything they need to do. It's really not that fast.
[QUOTE=Elspin;28336941]You act like the cartel leaders just go "Alright chaps RECRUITMENT DRIVE!" and just drive around on trucks handing out leaflets, then they have 676 people on trucks by mid-afternoon trained to know everything they need to do. It's really not that fast.[/QUOTE] I don't believe I said "Oh hey man, this is how it'll happen". But this ISN'T, and clearly ISN'T a big deal to them. This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time that they lose numbers like this. The gap will be there for months, maybe a bit longer, but not long in any sense of permeable. Why do you think it's so hard to find workers for them? They'll find some poor people who will do whatever they can for money.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28337147]I don't believe I said "Oh hey man, this is how it'll happen". But this ISN'T, and clearly ISN'T a big deal to them. This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time that they lose numbers like this. The gap will be there for months, maybe a bit longer, but not long in any sense of permeable. Why do you think it's so hard to find workers for them? They'll find some poor people who will do whatever they can for money.[/QUOTE] Do you just want me to re-state everything in my last post with less sarcasm? While I'm not exactly an expert in cartel logistics, I can imagine that there's plenty of things they need to do along the lines of checking out the recruits, training them what to do, etc. and it's not going to happen quickly. Your post pretty much contradicts what you've been saying so far, in that months is a long time in this sense. Less people gives them a break to rebuild and clean up more of them with less interference, though once again that's not something that happens instantly. The point is, 676 people is a lot of fucking people and while they certainly can make all this stuff back, that's not how things work. It's not like they have x amount of drugs and they're just trying to make it back to x amount. If they lose this profit, they don't get it back. They lose all that profit, and all the drugs to make more profit. Basically, a business doesn't make money unless they continually generate profits, and if they're working just to make back what they lost then they're losing profits. To not make this into a wall of text, just consider all my previous posts along with this. I'm not trying to convince anyone the war on drugs is a good thing, I think it's stupid too. Just that this bust a good thing and that it is significant.
[QUOTE=Elspin;28337327]Do you just want me to re-state everything in my last post with less sarcasm? While I'm not exactly an expert in cartel logistics, I can imagine that there's plenty of things they need to do along the lines of checking out the recruits, training them what to do, etc. and it's not going to happen quickly. Your post pretty much contradicts what you've been saying so far, in that months is a long time in this sense. Less people gives them a break to rebuild and clean up more of them with less interference, though once again that's not something that happens instantly. The point is, 676 people is a lot of fucking people and while they certainly can make all this stuff back, that's not how things work. It's not like they have x amount of drugs and they're just trying to make it back to x amount. If they lose this profit, they don't get it back. They lose all that profit, and all the drugs to make more profit. Basically, a business doesn't make money unless they continually generate profits, and if they're working just to make back what they lost then they're losing profits. To not make this into a wall of text, just consider all my previous posts along with this. I'm not trying to convince anyone the war on drugs is a good thing, I think it's stupid too. Just that this bust a good thing and that it is significant.[/QUOTE] It may be significant in the number of actual people that got arrested, but does that 12 million really put a dent in their wallet? Not as far as I can tell. and how is a few months a long time? A long time to me is a year, maybe two. A few months is not a long time to me. I never said "They'll have em back in no time" so don't put words in my mouth.
[QUOTE=Elspin;28337327]Do you just want me to re-state everything in my last post with less sarcasm? While I'm not exactly an expert in cartel logistics, I can imagine that there's plenty of things they need to do along the lines of checking out the recruits, training them what to do, etc. and it's not going to happen quickly. Your post pretty much contradicts what you've been saying so far, in that months is a long time in this sense. Less people gives them a break to rebuild and clean up more of them with less interference, though once again that's not something that happens instantly. The point is, 676 people is a lot of fucking people and while they certainly can make all this stuff back, that's not how things work. It's not like they have x amount of drugs and they're just trying to make it back to x amount. If they lose this profit, they don't get it back. They lose all that profit, and all the drugs to make more profit. Basically, a business doesn't make money unless they continually generate profits, and if they're working just to make back what they lost then they're losing profits. To not make this into a wall of text, just consider all my previous posts along with this. I'm not trying to convince anyone the war on drugs is a good thing, I think it's stupid too. Just that this bust a good thing and that it is significant.[/QUOTE] 676 people is nothing.... thousands of people have died due to their drug wars every year and that clearly hasn't affected their efficiency. 12 million IS nothing to them, these cartels make 100s of millions of dollars every damn year!
my point is in the grand scheme of things, this is nothing. a drop in the bucket. forgettable, almost irrelevant.
exactly. 1 "big" bust against 1 cartel will do nothing
[QUOTE=s0beit;28313334]So there will be new people cropping up to take their place, make that money back and buy more guns and cars. That's sort of how the drug war has been working for the last 40 years. Cept a cop got shot, I'm sure that counts as a loss[/QUOTE] Well if they didn't do anything about it the bad guys win. At least you have to make effort to stop this kind of shit you negative douche.
[QUOTE=BenJammin';28337603]Well if they didn't do anything about it the bad guys win. At least you have to make effort to stop this kind of shit you negative douche.[/QUOTE] Here, best effort humanely possible to stop the illegal drug trade which has killed thousands. [b]legalize the god damn drugs[/b]
You two are arguing over something when neither of you have any idea of whether you are correct or not
[QUOTE=BenJammin';28337603]Well if they didn't do anything about it the bad guys win. At least you have to make effort to stop this kind of shit you negative douche.[/QUOTE] the bad guys win no matter what. prohibition makes them rich
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