NSA spying power dramatically expanded with new ability to recieve shared information - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51677365]That's actually one of the better arguments to not be afraid of the NSA. That their information intake is so bloated and filled with useless garbage that they would struggle to actually use it for anything or find anything inside it. Doesn't help a ton but it is kind of funny. Also makes it easier for terrorists which is pretty great dark humor :v:[/QUOTE] There is a possibility that AI research could change that.

In my opinion fighting for privacy laws is a waste of time, they're going to do it regardless, it doesn't help that the general public are too stupid or lazy to take their privacy seriously as well. The government cannot do anything to stop people keeping information private, frankly if you put something on the internet unencrypted you should not be surprised if someone gains access to it, in the end the only terrorists and criminals that will be caught by this are those that are careless, in many ways their mass data collection will actually work against them since people are a lot more aware now of what they can do, it would not surprise me if there are already terrorists out there taking precautions.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51677373]There is a possibility that AI research could change that.[/QUOTE] Speaking of which I'd be interested to know what the people in here think of the idea of arresting people based on AI predicting that they [I]will[/I] commit a crime, because I doubt that will remain science fiction for too many more years

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51677390]Speaking of which I'd be interested to know what the people in here think of the idea of arresting people based on AI predicting that they [I]will[/I] commit a crime, because I doubt that will remain science fiction for too many more years[/QUOTE] pretty horrifying

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51677379]In my opinion fighting for privacy laws is a waste of time, they're going to do it regardless, it doesn't help that the general public are too stupid or lazy to take their privacy seriously as well. The government cannot do anything to stop people keeping information private, frankly if you put something on the internet unencrypted you should not be surprised if someone gains access to it, in the end the only terrorists and criminals that will be caught by this are those that are careless, in many ways their mass data collection will actually work against them since people are a lot more aware now of what they can do, it would not surprise me if there are already terrorists out there taking precautions.[/QUOTE] "They're going to do it anyway" seems like a bad reason not to fight against something.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51677390]Speaking of which I'd be interested to know what the people in here think of the idea of arresting people based on AI predicting that they [I]will[/I] commit a crime, because I doubt that will remain science fiction for too many more years[/QUOTE] I would say it's not possible in most cases, there have been plenty of people appearing perfectly normal then suddenly committing a crime like murder, rape, etc. [QUOTE=Spacewolf;51677424]"They're going to do it anyway" seems like a bad reason not to fight against something.[/QUOTE] I'm not exactly saying people should stop trying but just don't expect them to stop spying, because chances are they won't.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51677425]I would say it's not possible in most cases, there have been plenty of people appearing perfectly normal then suddenly committing a crime like murder, rape, etc.[/QUOTE] Does anyone know the ratio of crimes committed like this vs ones that could potentially have been predicted?

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51677365]That's actually one of the better arguments to not be afraid of the NSA. That their information intake is so bloated and filled with useless garbage that they would struggle to actually use it for anything or find anything inside it. Doesn't help a ton but it is kind of funny. Also makes it easier for terrorists which is pretty great dark humor :v:[/QUOTE] There's still potential for abuse though which is the real big issue. PRISM leaks have logged the agents using the system abusing it to spy on people in their lives or, for example, intercepting peoples' sexts and sharing them around with each other. Both are huge breaches of privacy that should not happen. [QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51677390]Speaking of which I'd be interested to know what the people in here think of the idea of arresting people based on AI predicting that they [I]will[/I] commit a crime, because I doubt that will remain science fiction for too many more years[/QUOTE] Personally I'd be completely against it. There are no guarantees it's 100% accurate and punishing someone for something they have not done makes no sense.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51677379]In my opinion fighting for privacy laws is a waste of time, they're going to do it regardless, it doesn't help that the general public are too stupid or lazy to take their privacy seriously as well.[/QUOTE] Well i'm going to die some day anyway, may as well just play in traffic right? All it takes for evil to happen is for good men to do nothing. So congratulations, you're part of the problem. Way to go champ.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51677477]Well i'm going to die some day anyway, may as well just play in traffic right? All it takes for evil to happen is for good men to do nothing. So congratulations, you're part of the problem. Way to go champ.[/QUOTE] This whole post could be easily seen through a "pro mass surveillance" lens. In fact the all it takes for evil bit probable explains in part why Obama is the one expanding it

[QUOTE=simkas;51677209]It's not really losing privacy if no one actually does anything with that information. I still have my privacy to do whatever the fuck I want and no one's going to do anything about that as long as that "whatever" isn't a plan to kill a bunch of people. [editline]16th January 2017[/editline] I see what you're getting at but I'm also not expecting the world to go to complete chaos within the next 10 years.[/QUOTE] You might trust the government in power now with this knowledge, but what if someday a government comes along that isn't so kind and decides to use its power for nefarious means?

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51677503]People cant develop properly if they're constantly monitored. One reason I hated being Christian, God was always watching. Better not even think bad thoughts or you go to hell! Apply the same shit to governent and have it be something tangible and not inside my head? Fuck that. I dont want to live in fear of all my actions being held against me. [B]I'd rather have another trade center bombed before my privacy is sacrificed to extreme levels.[/B] That last statement may even get me in trouble, in the future.[/QUOTE] Good thing the victims of such attacks can choose whether to die or not, so really, nothing bad happens, we can always count on our freedom and privacy! /s The worst thing about this kind of mentality is that not only governments keep spying and invading our privacy at all times, and there's nothing you can really do about it, but we also permit crippling security holes to exist, just because we think it'll matter in the long run, just because some people are that afraid of the typical SF dystopian nation, that they're willing to go at extreme ends to avoid such a thing (which, by the way, won't happen, North Korea doesn't represent every country on earth).

If you trust the government enough not to abuse the tools at it's disposal, especially the American government, you are a fool.

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;51679242]If you trust the government enough not to abuse the tools at it's disposal, especially the American government, you are a fool.[/QUOTE] Allowing attacks and the like to happen just to preserve ones privacy will only give the government more ammo and legitimacy to keep doing malicious acts, and that's because the general public cares more about superficial freedoms than actual stability and safety. As long as the general american public will keep on not caring about the actual issues the country is facing, so will the government keep on fooling and controlling everything.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51676850]Why do you think so? I'd rather senseless death prevented than some mysterious authentic development.[/QUOTE] The destruction of the individual, the collection of humanity into one, is a true apocalyptic event. Individuality is paramount. The self is all one has. There is no purpose in any of human life without individuality and the ability for self-expression. As one grey speck in a sea of a hundred-trillion, you are not even capable of awareness as a grey speck. You exist in a state of cogito ergo sum, you exist and you perform, without reflection or introspection. No self-awareness, because there is no [B]self.[/B] Your every action is under surveillance, and any straying from the collective line is quickly amended and your mere existence is forgotten. [editline]16th January 2017[/editline] Ultimately as it stands now, surveillance exists to maintain power rather than to destroy the self. But it has that side effect. Individuality degrades as a result of this process, and really, what stops an evil man from twisting the surveillance infrastructure in order to use it to destroy individuality? To destroy privacy and the self? Constantly aware of 24/7 direct person-to-person monitoring, you would never be [I]yourself[/I] again, you would merely pretend to be who you want others to perceive you as. Ever worked under a CCTV camera? Ever noticed how you intentionally act different, knowing you're being watched and recorded? Yeah. Yeah.