Paris ban on Muslim street prayers comes into effect - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32319684]They ARE sitting in the middle of the road.[/QUOTE] A car filled road?

[QUOTE=Contag;32319669]Because christophobia or anti-Semitic (which is in itself anti-semitic considering we're talking about Arabs) doesn't exist. [I][B]Victim blaming[/B] Victim blaming occurs when the victim(s) of a crime, an accident, or any type of abusive maltreatment are held entirely or partially responsible for the transgressions committed against them. Blaming the victim has traditionally emerged especially in racist and sexist forms.[/I][/QUOTE] Now you're exaggerating like a pro!

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32319672]And some people ask me why I hate Liberals.[/QUOTE] probably has something to do with the fact you want the world to be ruled over by a giant computer

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32319672]And some people ask me why I hate Liberals.[/QUOTE] As an aside, have you been to university? [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;32319701]probably has something to do with the fact you want the world to be ruled over by a giant computer[/QUOTE] Saying the world is a misnomer, he wishes to destroy the world via exploitation and re'create' it.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32319692]A car filled road?[/QUOTE] A car-filled road. With a few idiots nearby looking to act on their idiocy.

[QUOTE=Cone;32319696]Now you're exaggerating like a pro![/QUOTE] How? How is "we must restrict the freedoms of a certain group because other groups will commit crimes against them" not victim blaming?

[h2]Stop judging the law like you knew the French government and society[/h2] This is not freedom restriction. This is fucking common sense. You don't let people pray in the middle of a road with cars honking to pass and pedestrians who have to do a huge detour to go through the crowd while the people praying should be in a mosque you can afford to give them. They are not banned from exercising religion in Public. As far as you're concerned Churches, Mosques and Synagogues are public places as well. If you still want to act all smartass and go against this, look at the flag under my avatar. I know better than you about this because I live there, is that clear ?

[QUOTE=Cone;32319706]A car-filled road. With a few idiots nearby looking to act on their idiocy.[/QUOTE] If they're sitting in the middle of traffic then fair enough, however they should still be allowed to pray on the pavement.

It's like victim blaming 101.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32319718][h2]Stop judging the law like you knew the French government and society[/h2][/QUOTE] But we do understand the French government and society Both have been infiltrated by right-wing anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant extremists

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32319718][h2]Stop judging the law like you knew the French government and society[/h2][/QUOTE] I know as the same mostly racist colonial society and government described by Frantz Fanon.

[QUOTE=Contag;32319644]Sounds like Yet[/QUOTE] Many newspapers include many different perspectives to make the article more neutral. The inclusion of the one saying "we are not cattle" is an example of this.

I'm going to make this clear for both sides of the argument. Yes, the law can be viewed as an attack on Muslims. However, Muslims in Muslim countries aren't exactly free to clog up traffic on the roads. The reason why is because mosques exist as houses of worship and that is where they are allocated for that; hence the new motion to build new mosques so that everybody wins.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32319740]I'm going to make this clear for both sides of the argument. Yes, the law can be viewed as an attack on Muslims. However, Muslims in Muslim countries aren't exactly free to clog up traffic on the roads. The reason why is because mosques exist as houses of worship and that is where they are allocated for that; hence the new motion to build new mosques so that everybody wins.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Christians aren't allowed to clog roads either, which is why we have churches.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32319740]I'm going to make this clear for both sides of the argument. Yes, the law can be viewed as an attack on Muslims. However, Muslims in Muslim countries aren't exactly free to clog up traffic on the roads. The reason why is because mosques exist as houses of worship and that is where they are allocated for that; hence the new motion to build new mosques so that everybody wins.[/QUOTE] Rather than making a law specifically against muslims however, why not make it universal to say you cant do shit in the middle of a road,

[h2]TO CLARIFY :[/h2] • The law was voted with the help and endorsement of various Muslim spokesmen. • The law bans individual and group prayer on the street. • [b]New mosques will be built so the Muslims will have a place to pray, as the Quran say they should[/b]. In the meantime, municipalities have been offering unused buildings with proper accommodation. • [b]The law is not a way to oppress Muslims.[/b] • The reason of this ban is that Street Prayer is inconvenient and blocks several streets in case of group praying. • The law was also voted because Muslims often get assaulted for the mere fact of being Muslim. The Government is helping them to have a place to actual pray in instead of appearing as a public nuisance to hateful people. • [B]Muslims don't pray in their mosques in the first place because these are already full with other people praying.[/B] • [B]THE LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM. If the Muslims were Christians or Jews, the law would be the SAME[/B] • [B]THE LAW ITSELF HAS NO MENTION OF MUSLIMS WHATSOEVER[/B]. The law is made to prevent any kind of people from doing an act of prayer or blocking the way for religious or cultural reasons, whatever his religion, culture or ethnicities is. /bullshit argument

[QUOTE=Cone;32319649] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Bigot" - Starpluck))[/highlight][/QUOTE] praise be to allah

Exactly! So there really isn't any argument at all. This isn't for safety of Muslim people or safety of non-Muslim people. This is just to avoid inconveniences for BOTH people. This is what I hate about certain media outlets, they have to word headlines in such a certain way that causes problems. I wonder how many people would be outraged if the title was "France plans to builds new mosques for rising Muslim population"

Yeah but the French government has a history of attacking Islam.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32319760] • [B]THE LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM. If the Muslims were Christians or Jews, the law would be the SAME[/B] [/QUOTE] I actually heard someone use this to justify hate against gays once. They said, and I quote, "if straights were having gay sex the discrimination would be identical, so it isn't discrimination".

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32319775]Exactly! So there really isn't any argument at all. This isn't for safety of Muslim people or safety of non-Muslim people. This is just to avoid inconveniences for BOTH people. This is what I hate about certain media outlets, they have to word headlines in such a certain way that causes problems. I wonder how many people would be outraged if the title was "France plans to builds new mosques for rising Muslim population"[/QUOTE]Modern media sucks a fat cock.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319771]praise be to allah[/QUOTE] Allahu Akbar I shall look upon His Face atop a mountain of boxes.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319771]praise be to allah[/QUOTE] To be honest he didn't really deserve a ban, his opinion was dumb but he wasn't really a bigot.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32319758]Rather than making a law specifically against muslims however, why not make it universal to say you cant do shit in the middle of a road,[/QUOTE] I'm sure if a sect of Christianity had the same problem a similar law would be enforced targeting them, too.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32319777]Yeah but the French government has a history of attacking Islam.[/QUOTE] No, not really, you're just making shit up. The government is not infiltrated by the right wing. Not yet. The elections are in 2012 and until then the national front is not part of the government. The law itself is not targeted towards Muslims. It's targeted toward anyone who has to pray at specific hours, and who happen to do it in the street because he has no other place to do it. Because the Muslims are the only one considered by this measure as no other religion makes prayer mandatory, even in the street, the media decided to call the law the Ban of muslim street prayers.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32319789]To be honest he didn't really deserve a ban, his opinion was dumb but he wasn't really a bigot.[/QUOTE] he said muslims shouldn't pray outside because someone might think they're carrying a bomb if he had said christians shouldn't be outside because they might be looking for children to molest, or blacks shouldn't be outside because they might be looking for convenience stores to rob, would it be acceptable?

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32319775]Exactly! So there really isn't any argument at all. This isn't for safety of Muslim people or safety of non-Muslim people. This is just to avoid inconveniences for BOTH people. This is what I hate about certain media outlets, they have to word headlines in such a certain way that causes problems. I wonder how many people would be outraged if the title was "France plans to builds new mosques for rising Muslim population"[/QUOTE] One must do the practical thing. If the number of Muslims rise you must meet the demands they need.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319806]he said muslims shouldn't pray outside because someone might think they're carrying a bomb if he had said christians shouldn't be outside because they might be looking for children to molest, or blacks shouldn't be outside because they might be looking for convenience stores to rob, would it be acceptable?[/QUOTE] Yeah but he didn't really say that he thought muslims carry bombs, but rather someone else might think they are.

my final argument: how can anyone think that banning someone from doing something because they might be victimized for doing it is a good idea? it's pandering to the people causing the REAL problem [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;32319816]Yeah but he didn't really say that he thought muslims carry bombs, but rather someone else might think they are.[/QUOTE] Perpetuating the same idiocy.

Alright, well now that that's settled, I'd be happy to answer any more questions regarding Islam and stuff