Paris ban on Muslim street prayers comes into effect - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319821] Perpetuating the same idiocy.[/QUOTE] Dumb yes, bigoted no.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319821]my final argument: how can anyone think that banning someone from doing something because they might be victimized for doing it is a good idea? it's pandering to the people causing the REAL problem[/QUOTE] Because it's not about banning something and erasing it from the surface of earth. Muslims are not supposed to pray in the street, they are supposed to pray in Mosques, but they didn't have enough room for that. The fact that the law is also voted to protect Muslims (because laying down in the middle of the road is always dangerous no matter what) is totally secondary. Stop making it your main point, it has almost no importance. Now please leave this thread and go read something about the French parties and government, it will prevent you from saying total bullcrap.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32319835]Alright, well now that that's settled, I'd be happy to answer any more questions regarding Islam and stuff[/QUOTE]So you're from Qatar, do you guys have any terrorism issues there?

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32319775]Exactly! So there really isn't any argument at all. This isn't for safety of Muslim people or safety of non-Muslim people. This is just to avoid inconveniences for BOTH people.[/QUOTE] But assaulting people on the street for praying is already illegal.

[QUOTE=faze;32319848]So you're from Qatar, do you guys have any terrorism issues there?[/QUOTE] Zero. Probably the safest place in the Middle East. One schizophrenic Egyptian man ended up setting off a car-bomb near a local theater, one person died and it was heavily investigated; no terrorist links, just crazy. Since then security measures have gone way up (This was around 11 years ago) and not a single attack since then. Cool place to visit, I made a thread about it once. [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1034092?highlight=[/url]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32319844]Because it's not about banning something and erasing it from the surface of earth. Muslims are not supposed to pray in the street, they are supposed to pray in Mosques, but they didn't have enough room for that.[/QUOTE] No, they're supposed to pray wherever they are at the prescribed prayer time, as far as I know.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319875]But assaulting people on the street for praying is already illegal.[/QUOTE] Still makes street prayers annoying when the only road to your workplace is blocked by 40 muslims covering the whole street.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319875]But assaulting people on the street for praying is already illegal.[/QUOTE] This isn't being done because of anyone assaulting muslims. It's being done as to minimize disturbances with both parties in mind.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319882]No, they're supposed to pray wherever they are at the prescribed prayer time, as far as I know.[/QUOTE] Yeah but I think it's a bit daft to sit in the middle of a road full of traffic.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319882]No, they're supposed to pray wherever they are at the prescribed prayer time, as far as I know.[/QUOTE] You didn't read Conspiracy's precision, did you. They have 5 prayers to do and, for each, have several hours to decide of when and where to do it, individually or in group. The Friday prayer, however, has to be made in groups, at the mosque, but these are full, so they gather in various places and pray in the middle of the street instead.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319882]No, they're supposed to pray wherever they are at the prescribed prayer time, as far as I know.[/QUOTE] As a Muslim I disagree. You need to find a quiet, clean place - which is everything but the street. You should only pray on the street when left with no other option, which is the case here because there isn't enough space in mosques. One would tell them to pray at home but the Friday noon prayer has to be done in congregation. I was beat to it, but there you go, haha.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32319890]Still makes street prayers annoying when the only road to your workplace is blocked by 40 muslims covering the whole street.[/QUOTE] So ban it in the middle of the road of course (which is probably already illegal) but all public areas intended for pedestrians should be open for anyone to utilize

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319917]So ban it in the middle of the road of course (which is probably already illegal) but all public areas intended for pedestrians should be open for anyone to utilize[/QUOTE] It would let the walk still available for prayer, which would force people to walk on the road, which would only displace the problem. Giving Muslims more room to pray instead of having to do it where they're not supposed to was the best way to solve the problem.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32319912]As a Muslim I disagree. You need to find a quiet, clean place - which is everything but the street. You should only pray on the street when left with no other option, which is the case here because there isn't enough space in mosques. One would tell them to pray at home but the Friday noon prayer has to be done in congregation.[/QUOTE] But surely you see why banning it outright is a terrible move, and discriminatory against muslims Build more mosques of course, but don't tell people they can't pray in public if they want to. (I'm on your side here, discrimination against islam is sickening)

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319821]my final argument: how can anyone think that banning someone from doing something because they might be victimized for doing it is a good idea? it's pandering to the people causing the REAL problem [/QUOTE]Hate breeds hate. If you let people get attacked on the street the victims of the attack might want to seek revenge, and it creates a tension between the muslims and the far right. In order to break this cycle you have to seperate these groups from eachothers.

Also Conspiracy, I heard homosexuality's illegal in Qatar ? That sucks. No pun intended.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32319935]It would let the walk still available for prayer, which would force people to walk on the road, which would only displace the problem. Giving Muslims more room to pray instead of having to do it where they're not supposed to was the best way to solve the problem.[/QUOTE] Giving them more room to pray is great but I'm sure some enjoy praying outside more than inside [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;32319945]Also Conspiracy, I heard homosexuality's illegal in Qatar ? That sucks. No pun intended.[/QUOTE] [release]In 1995 an American citizen visiting Qatar was sentenced to six months in prison and 90 lashes, for homosexual activity.[/release] Yes, and it's punishable by torture

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319941]But surely you see why banning it outright is a terrible move, and discriminatory against muslims Build more mosques of course, but don't tell people they can't pray in public if they want to. (I'm on your side here, discrimination against islam is sickening)[/QUOTE] They don't want to pray in the street, but if you listen to some of the most extreme Muslims out there, they don't want any help from the state because that would go against their modesty or some shit. You do realize the places group prayer take place are in the middle of big over polluted cities ? I can hardly see anyone enjoying laying down on a disgusting road with tons of CO2 in the air. I say when someone gives you shelter, you don't slap him and refuse it.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32319967]They don't want to pray in the street, but if you listen to some of the most extreme Muslims out there, they don't want any help from the state because that would go against their modesty or some shit. I say when someone gives you shelter, you don't slap him and refuse it.[/QUOTE] I'd slap someone who [i]forced[/i] me into that shelter.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319954]Giving them more room to pray is great but I'm sure some enjoy praying outside more than inside[/QUOTE] Then let people pray in public parks and the such, but not in the streets.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32319980]Then let people pray in public parks and the such, but not in the streets.[/QUOTE] Does this ban extend to parks?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32319980]Then let people pray in public parks and the such, but not in the streets.[/QUOTE] As far as I know praying in a park or in an open place isn't forbidden, so is praying in a workplace as long as people know what you're doing. It's only the fact of praying in the STREETS that is banned because how inconvenient for everyone it is.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32319945]Also Conspiracy, I heard homosexuality's illegal in Qatar ? That sucks. No pun intended.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1034092?highlight=[/url] [QUOTE=Conspiracy;26482188]As a Qatari local, I can explain this to you. Public displays of affection, be it between two men, two women, or two members of the opposite sex is frowned upon. It's just respecting the culture, homosexuality is not 'illegal' per se; but so long as you aren't having anal sex out by the stadiums for the world to see you have absolutely nothing to worry about. If you'd think about it it's really hard to outlaw homosexuality, given it's not a choice. Seriously, think about it a little bit - or better yet read the thread![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=madjawa;32318014]Can someone explain to me why they can't pray at home?[/QUOTE] They're required by their god on specific times a day (3 I think) to drop everything, face north and pray which can take up to ten minutes.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319941]But surely you see why banning it outright is a terrible move, and discriminatory against muslims Build more mosques of course, but don't tell people they can't pray in public if they want to. (I'm on your side here, discrimination against islam is sickening)[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zeke129;32319954]Giving them more room to pray is great but I'm sure some enjoy praying outside more than inside[/QUOTE] To be honest the only instances of outdoor prayer I've ever known have been because there wasn't an alternative, I doubt people would get arrested for praying in a park; for example. I don't even think this law will be heavily enforced unless they disobey it in mass numbers, their main concern here is the roads theyre filling up. Discrimination against Islam infuriates me as much as the next Muslim, but this was done in a manner that should be taken as an example for other western countries trying to accomodate such a different culture/faith. If it wasn't for the mosques, I would be disgusted.

[QUOTE=Keyblockor;32320024]They're required by their god on specific times a day (3 I think) to drop everything, face north and pray which can take up to ten minutes.[/QUOTE] You're late and wrong I'm affraid. They have to pray 5 times a day but have several hours to do so for each.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319977]I'd slap someone who [i]forced[/i] me into that shelter.[/QUOTE] Nobody is forcing them there. They said 'you cant pray in huge congregations and block up streets every Friday, so we are preparing this place for you to pray until there is more room' How big does the congregation need to be? Wouldnt it be possible for people to organise and group at a single persons house to pray?

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32319942]Hate breeds hate. If you let people get attacked on the street the victims of the attack might want to seek revenge, and it creates a tension between the muslims and the far right. In order to break this cycle you have to seperate these groups from eachothers.[/QUOTE] Just like blacks and whites!

[QUOTE=Contag;32320055]Just like blacks and whites![/QUOTE] It's not the thirties anymore, you know that ?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319954]Giving them more room to pray is great but I'm sure some enjoy praying outside more than inside [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [release]In 1995 an American citizen visiting Qatar was sentenced to six months in prison and 90 lashes, for homosexual activity.[/release] Yes, and it's punishable by torture[/QUOTE] I would question the credibility of where you heard that because Qatar does not 'lash' its people, nor are they too keen on imprisoning non-nationals. Deportation is what you'll usually get for breaking the law. Homosexuality isn't 'illegal' per se, because its not a choice. The feds dont bust into your house if youre getting it on with a guy, its just that any public display of affection, between two straight people or two gay people isn't allowed, because by culture its seen as a form of disrespect.