Paris ban on Muslim street prayers comes into effect - Polidicks

[QUOTE=acds;32323666]No it's not. Go out in the street screaming how all of X descent should by hung from a tree. Hate speech is not legal, except for in the US. So American law is correct, everyone else is wrong.[/QUOTE] [img]http://unfinishedlives.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/kkk-confed-flag.jpg[/img] It's legal and for a good goddamn reason. We do not persecute people here for their words. EVERYONE has the right to free speech, even if they are speaking against you. [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=faze;32323677]"Extremist" Muslims are part of the group of trolling individuals.[/QUOTE] define extremist muslim. Because your definition is "anyone who burns a flag," which is not extreme at all. [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=faze;32323651]You have yet to prove that. Right now, to me, you sound like a middle schooler. My 13 year old sister is more mature than you.[/QUOTE] I have a Juris Doctorate. I am incredibly well versed in American Constitutional and Civil Law. I know a shitload more about the rights of the people than you.

Do you really think people move thousands of miles from their countries with the intention of "trolling" their new country?

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32323715]Do you really think people move thousands of miles from their countries with the intention of "trolling" their new country?[/QUOTE] no they're trolling its not like they're expressing their desire for what they perceive as beneficial change. they're trolling that means you can round them up in camps

[QUOTE=Lankist;32323685][img]http://unfinishedlives.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/kkk-confed-flag.jpg[/img] It's legal and for a good goddamn reason. We do not persecute people here for their words. [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] define extremist muslim. Because your definition is "anyone who burns a flag," which is not extreme at all. [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] I have a Juris Doctorate. I am incredibly well versed in American Constitutional and Civil Law. I know a shitload more about the rights of the people than you.[/QUOTE]You are so full of shit. [QUOTE=Ond kaja;32323715]Do you really think people move thousands of miles from their countries with the intention of "trolling" their new country?[/QUOTE]Yes, they came from Saudi Arabia to fly into buildings.

[QUOTE=faze;32323737] Yes, they came from Saudi Arabia to fly into buildings.[/QUOTE]We're talking about immigrants not terrorists...

[QUOTE=Lankist;32323685][img]http://unfinishedlives.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/kkk-confed-flag.jpg[/img] It's legal and for a good goddamn reason. We do not persecute people here for their words.[/QUOTE] Just because you don't it doesn't mean it's the right choice. Europe prohibits it, as well as India, South Africa, Singapore, Canada and Australia.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32323755]We're talking about immigrants not terrorists...[/QUOTE]They were immigrants until they decided to kill some innocent people. Again, I'm not talking about any group of people. These idiots are coming from wherever, to say death to the west, not all, but some do. They should be removed.

[QUOTE=faze;32323737]You are so full of shit.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry would you like to tell me which part of the expressed or implied powers of the US Constitution gives the Federal Government the right to round up and deport people based upon their ideology? Because I can cite a few Amendments that don't, namely the First. Also the Fifth and the Fourteenth to name a few.

[QUOTE=acds;32323765]Just because you don't it doesn't mean it's the right choice. Europe prohibits it, as well as India, South Africa, Singapore, Canada and Australia.[/QUOTE]Yep, just like Germany prohibits the heil Hitler thing. They have free speech too.

Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you Faze, the united states is supposed to be a free country. People like you are the reason I and shitloads of other people can't stand your country for shit, it's filled with hypocrisy and nutcases that want people who declare war on them to stop while themselves declaring war on everything that isn't moving in the direct they want them to go.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32323775]I'm sorry would you like to tell me which part of the expressed or implied powers of the US Constitution gives the Federal Government the right to round up and deport people based upon their ideology?[/QUOTE]Let's see a copy of your alleged doctorate. Until I see that, you are 12 years old to me.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32323685] It's legal and for a good goddamn reason. We do not persecute people for their words.[/QUOTE] Yes you do. Threats, inciting riots (yelling Fire in a theatre), slander

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32323781]Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you Faze, the united states is supposed to be a free country. People like you are the reason I and shitloads of other people can't stand your country for shit, it's filled with hypocrisy and nutcases that want people who declare war on them to stop while themselves declaring war on everything that isn't moving in the direct they want them to go.[/QUOTE]I'm thinking along the same likes of Germany, like I just said. They have free speech, but if I did a heil Hitler there, I'd be thrown in jail.

[QUOTE=faze;32323772]They were immigrants until they decided to kill some innocent people. Again, I'm not talking about any group of people. These idiots are coming from wherever, to say death to the west, not all, but some do. They should be removed.[/QUOTE]No they are legal immigrants who've done nothing illegal with these protests. While their actions and opinions are condemnable, it's completely legal and as such the British government has no right of removing them from the country.

[QUOTE=acds;32323765]Just because you don't it doesn't mean it's the right choice. Europe prohibits it, as well as India, South Africa, Singapore, Canada and Australia.[/QUOTE] Unless it's hate-speech against muslims right?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32323793]Yes you do. Threats, inciting riots (yelling Fire in a theatre), slander[/QUOTE]True, slander is part of the whole free speech thing that isn't free. You can get in big trouble for slander.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32323793]Yes you do. Threats, inciting riots (yelling Fire in a theatre), slander[/QUOTE] There's a difference between Protest and Clear-and-Present-Danger/Fighting Words/Fraud.

If Muslim Extremists want to declare war on US it's their freedom to do so (needless to say those who do so AREN'T LIVING ON YOUR TERRITORY, get your shit straight), as much as it is the freedom of your conservatives to declare war on them. Do I really have to mention one of your main amendments is the right to possess firearms, aka weapons, made to kill ?

[QUOTE=faze;32323808]True, slander is part of the whole free speech thing that isn't free. You can get in big trouble for slander.[/QUOTE] Slander is a subset of Fraud. It is not a crime based on the words, it is a crime based upon fraud. Don't start arguing fucking unprotected speech with me.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32323815]If Muslim Extremists want to declare war on US it's their freedom to do so (needless to say those who do so AREN'T LIVING ON YOUR TERRITORY, get your shit straight), as much as it is the freedom of your conservatives to declare war on them. Do I really have to mention one of your main amendments is the right to possess firearms, aka weapons, made to kill ?[/QUOTE]Even that amendment has restrictions now. We have illegal guns here in America. [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;32323821]Slander is a subset of Fraud. It is not a crime based on the words, it is a crime based upon fraud.[/QUOTE]It's still speech.

[QUOTE=faze;32323808]True, slander is part of the whole free speech thing that isn't free. You can get in big trouble for slander.[/QUOTE] Hate speech being illegal isn't much of a jump from slander being illegal actually [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;32323813]There's a difference between Protest and Clear-and-Present-Danger/Fighting Words/Fraud.[/QUOTE] There is no difference when talking in terms of unlimited free speech (which no country on the Earth, not even America, has)

Its funny that people make fun of France and all that but so far they've had the balls to do tons of bans that look "culturally insensitive." While places like Britain just cave in to Muslims and other foreign immigrants demands while screwing over their native people. I have no problem with religion, if you want to practice it in your own home or local church/mosque go for it. But keep it there, I don't want to see or hear it on public streets and various other places. It isn't a anti-Muslim thing, I hate seeing it in public as a whole (Christianity, etc).

[QUOTE=faze;32323826]It's still speech.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. One of the primary pieces of evidence to pursue a case of Fraud is motive. If you slander someone else, the court will need to see some manner of motive for doing so, typically in regards to whatever personal gain you achieved from committing fraud. Secondly, slander is NOT a criminal offense, it is a CIVIL offense. The government doesn't put people in jail for slander. You can only pursue a case of slander in civil court, and ANYTHING can be pursued in civil court, that's why we have a civil court. I could sue you for emotional damages, but that is something *I* am doing, not the government.

Hate-speech? Who's fault is it when you throw a fist at a targeted individual in the speech? You or the words.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32323805]Unless it's hate-speech against muslims right?[/QUOTE] Yes because not liking [B]extremist[/B] (people that burn flags, preach the killing of non-believers and so on) Muslims is obviously hate speech against Muslims.

[QUOTE=acds;32323869]Yes because not liking [B]extremist[/B] (people that burn flags, preach the killing of non-believers and so on) Muslims is obviously hate speech against Muslims.[/QUOTE] Hate is hate. [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;32323837]Hate speech being illegal isn't much of a jump from slander being illegal actually[/QUOTE] Slander isn't illegal. It is only ever pursued in civil court. It is not a crime, it is an offense.

[QUOTE=faze;32323318]You know what I mean. If somebody comes into a thread trolling, you want them out. They're burning flags and starting all kinds of shit in western countries, they need to be removed. If they are here peacefully, they're fine. I'm not talking about any religion, culture, race or anything...if you immigrate to another country to start shit, you need to be removed. Get it now?[/QUOTE] What he said.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32323888]Hate is hate. [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] Slander isn't illegal. It is only ever pursued in civil court. It is not a crime, it is an offense.[/QUOTE][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#United_States[/url] Yes, it is.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32323484][img]http://www.malcolmxonline.com/images/malcolm_home.jpg[/img] Yes you goddamn can.[/QUOTE] Yes, post Malcolm X, the man who turned around after learning what Islam was really about started doing peaceful protests. YES DEFINITELY.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32323888]Hate is hate.[/QUOTE] Criticizing is different from hating. I don't say "Behead all extremists!", if they criticized instead of preaching hate and inciting violence, it'd be perfectly fine.