Paris ban on Muslim street prayers comes into effect - Polidicks

this isn't done for the muslim's safety, this is done to bow to the right-wing groups. just like the previous ban on the burqa which hardly anyone wore. the fact that facepunchers support it is disgusting.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32325805]All other positions are appointed.[/QUOTE]...By the ones you elect, i.e. representative.

If you're not a democracy that basically means the president and most of the government are not considered citizens. As far as I know everyone at the government right now is only a citizen with responsibilities. [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;32325809]this isn't done for the muslim's safety, this is done to bow to the right-wing groups. just like the previous ban on the burqa which hardly anyone wore. the fact that facepunchers support it is disgusting.[/QUOTE] How about you read the previous pages Also you aren't from france and I hardly think you could guess who's in charge right now.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32325827]...By the ones you elect, i.e. representative.[/QUOTE] Democracy presumes full and direct interaction with all facets of government. Representative democracy comprises only one small part of appointments to power in the US, and while you can say "Congress is a representative democracy" you cannot say the Supreme Court or the President's Staff are any manner of democracy because the public had no direct interaction with their appointment. We utilize democratic practices, but our form of government is a Constitutional Republic (republic itself regarding representation over direct interaction) The appointment of Supreme Court Justices, for instance, lasts for decades, longer than the elected officials who appointed and approved them. They cannot easily be changed or swapped out, and the are not highly accountable to populist whim.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32325809]this isn't done for the muslim's safety, this is done to bow to the right-wing groups. just like the previous ban on the burqa which hardly anyone wore. the fact that facepunchers support it is disgusting.[/QUOTE] They hate religion and will support anything that agrees with what they think, even if it degrades a countries freedom.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32325844]If you're not a democracy that basically means the president and most of the government are not considered citizens. As far as I know everyone at the government right now is only a citizen with responsibilities.[/QUOTE] uhh what the fuck are you talking about?

[QUOTE=Lankist;32325860]Democracy presumes full and direct interaction with all facets of government. Representative democracy comprises only one small part of appointments to power in the US, and while you can say "Congress is a representative democracy" you cannot say the Supreme Court or the President's Staff are any manner of democracy because the public had no direct interaction with their appointment. We utilize democratic practices, but our form of government is a Constitutional Republic.[/QUOTE] There are different levels of democracy, and if a country allows the people to choose things related to it's government, then officially it is a democracy. Also according to the democracy index America is a full democracy

You've got some fucked up arguments people. THEY ARE NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO BLOCK STREETS ! FREEDOM KILLERS ! Seriously think before you talk. This as the Burqa is a measure of general security and convenience, because praying in the middle of the street is dangerous and Burqas can be and were often used for fraud.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32325844] How about you read the previous pages[/QUOTE] i don't give a shit about the previous pages [QUOTE=Ganerumo;32325844]Also you aren't from france[/QUOTE] you don't know that [QUOTE=Ganerumo;32325844]and I hardly think you could guess who's in charge right now.[/QUOTE] right-wing lunatic nicolas sarkozy?

ITT people who don't know jack shit about France and think they know better about someone who's born and lives here

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32325890]There are different levels of democracy, and if a country allows the people to choose things related to it's government, then officially it is a democracy. Also according to the democracy index America is a full democracy[/QUOTE] The Democracy index measures the upholding of democratic principles in nations that espouse them, it does not refer to the type of government. Being a Full Democracy on the index simply means you utilized democratic principles effectively and honestly. It does not imply that democracy is the absolute cornerstone of your system of self-governance. The law of the land in the US is not the word of the people, it is the Constitution.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32325910]ITT people who don't know jack shit about France and think they know better about someone who's born and lives here[/QUOTE] Then you can't criticize north korea since you don't live there.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32325894] Seriously think before you talk. This as the Burqa is a measure of general security and convenience, because praying in the middle of the street is dangerous and Burqas can be and were often used for fraud.[/QUOTE] absolute and total bullshit. neither of these bans ever fucking mentioned convenience or security. for someone who is french you know less about the situation than people outside of your country which is pitiful.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32325860]Democracy presumes full and direct interaction with all facets of government. Representative democracy comprises only one small part of appointments to power in the US, and while you can say "Congress is a representative democracy" you cannot say the Supreme Court or the President's Staff are any manner of democracy because the public had no direct interaction with their appointment. We utilize democratic practices, but our form of government is a Constitutional Republic.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is true that you don't appoint every official position in the US government. However, what party people vote for largely affect how the government (including the supreme court) is composed, and therefore you can still say that the US is a representative democracy. Besides, being a republic and being a representative democracy are not mutually exclusive.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32325910]ITT people who don't know jack shit about France and think they know better about someone who's born and lives here[/QUOTE] ITT a french nazi.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32325910]ITT people who don't know jack shit about France and think they know better about someone who's born and lives here[/QUOTE] that's not a good argument. don't pretend as if france is some unexplored mystery country. this is why the written press exists.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32325960]Yes, it is true that you don't appoint every official position in the US government. However, what party people vote for largely affect how the government (including the supreme court) is composed, and therefore you can still say that the US is a representative democracy. Besides, being a republic and being a representative democracy are not mutually exclusive.[/QUOTE] Citizens don't vote on Supreme Court justices, and Justices outlast the regimes that appointed them. By design the supreme court is meant to be a counter-point to populist, democratic interests. It is meant to be the balancing force between itself and the frequently-re-elected and easily malleable Congress. For instance, if everyone votes for a Nazi party in Congress, and the Nazis own the House and the Senate, it is the Supreme Court's purpose to ignore the populist whim, uphold the Constitution and look out for the little guys. The Supreme Court doesn't care what the majority thinks. It actively works against the majority opinion in many cases.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32325909]i don't give a shit about the previous pages [/quote] You should, you'd avoid sounding like a complete douchebag [QUOTE=thisispain;32325909] you don't know that [/quote] Your gamertag => localization => US [QUOTE=thisispain;32325909] right-wing lunatic nicolas sarkozy?[/QUOTE] Bravo, you can use wikipedia and google. First of, there is ONE extreme right wing party, and it's not even represented in the actual Government. Second, the government owes NOTHING to the national front and, if anything, the national front is UMP's concurrent. Last but not least, the National Front wanted a harsher measure, including absolutely no support from the state to help Muslims, no given building for them to pray in, jack shit. Demands that the government promptly didn't give a flying fuck about. [QUOTE=thisispain;32325967]that's not a good argument. don't pretend as if france is some unexplored mystery country. this is why the written press exists.[/QUOTE] Shit's here is different from USA's shit. Politics don't work the same way, laws don't work the same way, society doesn't work the same way. It's not some american presses that will manage to catch all of it subtlety, the same way no French press can catch the subtlety of america's politics, because it's just not the same country. Even the politic system itself is different.

fyi This Is Spain is European [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] oh sorry i mean british oops i forgot britain is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from europe

That's irrelevant. You vote for a representative to represent you in the parliament, and therefore it's still a representative democracy. How well the representative democracy works is another question, but you can't deny the fact that the U.S. is a democracy.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32326046]That's irrelevant. You vote for a representative to represent you in the parliament, and therefore it's still a representative democracy. How well the representative democracy works is another question, but you can't deny the fact that the U.S. is a democracy.[/QUOTE] We don't have a Parliament. I'd recommend you do a bit of research into how our government is structured before you keep saying silly things like "the US Parliament." We have a Bicameral Congress, an Executive and a Court. Parliaments are completely different things, their structure is not very similar to the structure of our Congress.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32326037]fyi This Is Spain is European [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] oh sorry i mean british oops i forgot britain is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from europe[/QUOTE] Well good, he's from Britain. That means he has an even more different politic system and lives in a country where most of the press hates france and only say bullshit about it. Talk about an advancement.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32326062]We don't have a Parliament.[/QUOTE]Uh, yes. You have a bicameral parliament where the lower house is the Congress and the upper house is the Senate.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32325996]You should, you'd avoid sounding like a complete douchebag[/QUOTE] my only interest is what was in the OP, i don't care about the rest. [QUOTE=Ganerumo;32325996]Your gamertag => localization => US[/QUOTE] doesn't say where i was born. [QUOTE=Ganerumo;32325996]First of, there is ONE extreme right wing party, and it's not even represented in the actual Government. Second, the government owes NOTHING to the national front and, if anything, the national front is UMP's concurrent. Last but not least, the National Front wanted a harsher measure, including absolutely no support from the state to help Muslims, no given building for them to pray in, jack shit. Demands that the government promptly didn't give a flying fuck about.[/QUOTE] does that change the fact that this measure was to pacify the nationalism in france just as it did with the burqa ban? the safety angle is shit and you know it is. where's the study done about the safety? where are your figures? monsieur, you're talking out of your arse.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32326062]We don't have a Parliament. I'd recommend you do a bit of research into how our government is structured before you keep saying silly things like "the US Parliament."[/QUOTE] Well then I recommend you do some research as well into how OUR government works before you keep saying silly things like "not allowing racist speech is blockin freedom of speech" and other joyful bullshit.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326070]Well good, he's from Britain. That means he has an even more different politic system and lives in a country where most of the press hates france and only say bullshit about it. Talk about an advancement.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but you just committed hate speech against the British.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326070]where most of the press hates france and only say bullshit about it. [/QUOTE] complains about people outside his country not knowing how the country is then makes up shit about britain. you're a joke

[QUOTE=thisispain;32326083]does that change the fact that this measure was to pacify the nationalism in france just as it did with the burqa ban? the safety angle is shit and you know it is. where's the study done about the safety? where are your figures? monsieur, you're talking out of your arse.[/QUOTE] Seriously, don't engage in politics of a country you aren't concerned with.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32326081]Uh, yes. You have a bicameral parliament where the lower house is the Congress and the upper house is the Senate.[/QUOTE] Uh no the whole thing is a Congress. The lower house is the House of Representatives, the upper is the Senate. The Senate, up until the mid 20th century, was appointed by state governments with no interaction on the part of voters. Congress is a whole lot different from a Parliament. They don't operate for the same purposes or the same means.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32326081]Uh, yes. You have a bicameral parliament where the lower house is the Congress and the upper house is the Senate.[/QUOTE] the US has a congress, parliament refers specifically by definition to countries that model the british system which the US does not.