Paris ban on Muslim street prayers comes into effect - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326098]Well then I recommend you do some research as well into how OUR government works before you keep saying silly things like "not allowing racist speech is blockin freedom of speech" and other joyful bullshit.[/QUOTE] Says the dude who hates the Brits. [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326121]Seriously, don't engage in politics of a country you aren't concerned with.[/QUOTE] Hate Speech.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326121]Seriously, don't engage in politics of a country you aren't concerned with.[/QUOTE] well first of all you can't tell me what to do, secondly i am very concerned about the bigoted sentiments taking a rise in europe. this is a forum [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] and you're totally distracting the debate. who cares what you think? either talk or argue about this ban or don't post.

Well a forum is made for talking, not mindlessly giving your opinion like it was supposed to be the whole godly truth or whatever. So go read the previous pages to know things that weren't tell in the original article, it'll prevent you from saying more crap.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326182]not mindlessly giving your opinion like it was supposed to be the whole godly truth or whatever[/QUOTE] Like making sweeping statements about the British press

The french tend to be [img]http://www.peopleofcolororganize.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/fanon.jpg[/img] rather racist.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326182]not mindlessly giving your opinion like it was supposed to be the whole godly truth or whatever.[/QUOTE] yes it is, that's what the word forum comes from. you're not the expert on france, so don't be prissy when i decide to agree with other french people over you. we've heard it a thousand times from french writers and people outside of france who've quoted them. the anti-Islam sentiment is pure politics and none of these bans are rooted in anything except anti-islam sentiment.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326182]Well a forum is made for talking, not mindlessly giving your opinion like it was supposed to be the whole godly truth or whatever.[/QUOTE] uhh im not entirely sure you know what a forum is. "Forums" are an ancient concept describing a location (usually a town center) that was the center of debate and protest. The Roman Forums were where the people could gather and espouse their ideals. but then again you're french so you clearly don't know jack fuck about Italy right.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32325809]this isn't done for the muslim's safety, this is done to bow to the right-wing groups. just like the previous ban on the burqa which hardly anyone wore. the fact that facepunchers support it is disgusting.[/QUOTE] I'd support it if it actually was for safety which could certainly be argued, but France has the disadvantage that I already know they're really Islamophobic.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;32326377]I'd support it if it actually was for safety which could certainly be argued, but France has the disadvantage that I already know they're really Islamophobic.[/QUOTE]It's already been proven to be done for their safety.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;32326377]I'd support it if it actually was for safety which could certainly be argued, but France has the disadvantage that I already know they're really Islamophobic.[/QUOTE] It's funny because Ganerumo spent half the thread espousing the righteousness of hate speech laws and then spent the other half hating muslims

[QUOTE=faze;32326404]It's already been proven to be done for their safety.[/QUOTE] Proven like that burqa ban, am I right?

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;32326377]I'd support it if it actually was for safety which could certainly be argued, but France has the disadvantage that I already know they're really Islamophobic.[/QUOTE] We're also one of the european countries with the most Muslims around. The islamophobics you're talking about are rather concentrated in the south of France (sadly where I live) and in Alsace and Lorraine. The street prayer ban occurs in Paris and probably later on Marseille, which aren't specially voting for the national front or even are especially anti-muslims.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32326435]Proven like that burqa ban, am I right?[/QUOTE]I don't know much about that ban so I can't comment.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32326435]Proven like that burqa ban, am I right?[/QUOTE] they might trip and fall on their rights

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;32326377]I'd support it if it actually was for safety which could certainly be argued, but France has the disadvantage that I already know they're really Islamophobic.[/QUOTE] Which is still silly because that's victim blaming and managing them, like they don't have the capacity to manage themselves. Unless they're praying in the middle of the road (which I doubt because that's rather silly), which I'm sure is covered by some 'not loitering in the middle of the road' laws.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32326412]It's funny because Ganerumo spent half the thread espousing the righteousness of hate speech laws and then spent the other half hating muslims[/QUOTE] And claiming the British press do nothing but hate on the French and cannot provide factual information about their politics, and that none can be found online either.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326439]We're also one of the european countries with the most Muslims around. The islamophobics you're talking about are rather concentrated in the south of France (sadly where I live) and in Alsace and Lorraine.[/QUOTE]Paris can be pretty snobby too statistically.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326439]We're also one of the european countries with the most Muslims around. The islamophobics you're talking about are rather concentrated in the south of France (sadly where I live) and in Alsace and Lorraine.[/QUOTE] Seems like they've influenced you quite a lot.

[QUOTE=faze;32326454]Paris can be pretty snobby too statistically.[/QUOTE] statistically france smells bad

[QUOTE=Lankist;32326467]statistically france smells bad[/QUOTE] Statistically the Franc was a smelly currency.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32326435]Proven like that burqa ban, am I right?[/QUOTE] The Burqa ban is just media nonsense. The law forbids all kinds of clothes or apparel that hide your face in public places, which include Burqas, motorcycle helmets, balaclavas, everything that prevents people from recognizing your face. It included burqas in the list of logically concerned things, so they decided that it should be the main thing to focus on, completely forgetting the fact that the law was originally voted to avoid people walking with helmets in manifestations and trigger riots to fuck shit up.

how do you guys even know what the french currency is?? you must live there!!

[QUOTE=thisispain;32326538]how do you guys even know what the french currency is?? you must live there!![/QUOTE] thats just how outdated my info was, obviously i couldnt have known, im in america!!

It's well known medias always give bullshit facts about other countries' politics. It has to be simplified for people to understand the politics of a country with different mechanics and different personalities. Which include for example changing a law that forbids face hiding apparel to a law that forbids the burqa. And claiming Marine LePen is somewhat important.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326530]The Burqa ban is just media nonsense. The law forbids all kinds of clothes or apparel that hide your face in public places, which include Burqas, motorcycle helmets, balaclavas, everything that prevents people from recognizing your face. It included burqas in the list of logically concerned things, so they decided that it should be the main thing to focus on, completely forgetting the fact that the law was originally voted to avoid people walking with helmets in manifestations and trigger riots to fuck shit up.[/QUOTE] Then why was this law necessary, if presumably there are already laws against disrupting street traffic?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326530]motorcycle helmets[/QUOTE] 99.99% certain they didn't not ban motorcycle helmets. [quote]In defiance of critics of the ban, who say it is anti-Islamic, President Nicholas Sarkozy told French lawmakers last year the burqa is not a religious symbol. "It's a sign of enslavement," he said. "It will not be welcome in the French Republic." [/quote] and i don't see any mention of safety there. [quote]Jacques Myard, a conservative member of parliament who supports the ban, called the burqa a "shock" to French culture. "The face is a dignity of a person. The face is your passport," he said. "So when you refuse me to see you, I am a victim. [/quote] or there [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326590]It has to be simplified for people to understand the politics of a country with different mechanics and different personalities.[/QUOTE] you don't know anything about france i'm pretty certain. i know more about france than you probably do or even care about.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326590]It's well known medias always give bullshit facts about other countries' politics. It has to be simplified for people to understand the politics of a country with different mechanics and different personalities. Which include for example changing a law that forbids face hiding apparel to a law that forbids the burqa.[/QUOTE] So you look at international media sources as well as that nation's own in order to gain a wider perspective, but don't throw some nonsense at me like "you can't possibly understand our country!!", because if that were the case no one would be able to debate about the Koreas, or China, or Russia, or Israel and Palestine. It's a completely baseless red herring of an argument.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32326598]Then why was this law necessary, if presumably there are already laws against disrupting street traffic?[/QUOTE] Of course there are, but go ahead and stop the looters during a manifestation that somewhat turned into a riot. Much easier to at least recognize them if they don't wear balaclavas or else.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32326603]99.99% certain they didn't not ban motorcycle helmets. and i don't see any mention of safety there. or there[/QUOTE] Obviously just the foreign press giving out the wrong facts!

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32326636]So you look at international media sources as well as that nation's own in order to gain a wider perspective, but don't throw some nonsense at me like "you can't possibly understand our country!!", because if that were the case no one would be able to debate about the Koreas, or China, or Russia, or Israel and Palestine. It's a completely baseless red herring of an argument.[/QUOTE] North Korea, China, Russia, Israel and Palestine aren't democracies. It was also mentioned several times in french medias that the law was voted for security purposes. And no, helmets are not banned. The fact of wearing one for no reason in the middle of a public place, however, is.