Paris ban on Muslim street prayers comes into effect - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32326864]So all hats, ski masks, and hoodies should be illegal as well? Again, great job missing the point. If you already have laws preventing people from disrupting traffic and pedestrians on the sidewalk, [B]why do you need a law specifically for Muslim prayer?[/B][/QUOTE] Because until now street prayer wasn't considered traffic disruption.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326887]Shit's going quite fast on the thread. The law says no "street prayer" is authorized. There is no specification what religion you are following, what are you reasons to pray or whatever else. If you start praying on the street, you have to go pray somewhere else.[/QUOTE] That's dubious at best, and frankly it doesn't even matter because you still didn't answer the question: Why do you need a law for prayer if it's already illegal to disrupt traffic? [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326911]Because until now street prayer wasn't considered traffic disruption.[/QUOTE] Really, so people going out into the streets and bringing traffic to a halt was not considered disruption? I find that [B]very[/B] hard to believe.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326887] The law says no "street prayer" is authorized. [/QUOTE] you'd have to be daft to not see that the law targets one group specifically.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32326866]oh no their rights are inconveniencing your morning commute booooo hoooooo[/QUOTE] They are indeed. Sucks to be them, a minority can't force a majority to change, that's democracy. Now they'll either have to move to the huge-ass buildings we gave them to pray, or stop praying. If anything they should be glad we're giving them a place to pray instead of just sending them a huge "go the fuck away" message. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;32326941]you'd have to be daft to not see that the law targets one group specifically.[/QUOTE] Well there isn't much religions that say you have to pray five times a day in a religious place and, if the place in question is full, outside.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32326941]you'd have to be daft to not see that the law targets one group specifically.[/QUOTE] Again, "dog whistle politics". They try their very best to make it sound like it's being fair, but it's very obviously targeting a specific group.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326947]They are indeed. Sucks to be them, a minority can't force a majority to change, that's democracy. Now they'll either have to move to the huge-ass buildings we gave them to pray, or stop praying. If anything they should be glad we're giving them a place to pray instead of just sending them a huge "go the fuck away" message.[/QUOTE] A majority can't force a minority to submit that would be fascism my good sir

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326947]They are indeed. Sucks to be them, a minority can't force a majority to change, that's democracy.[/QUOTE] You seriously supporting tyranny of the majority now?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326947] Now they'll either have to move to the huge-ass buildings we gave them to pray, or stop praying.[/QUOTE] good, i'm glad we've all come to the conclusion that this is a limitation upon the rights of a group of people who's only crime is the wrong religion. i'm glad we've got that sorted. just in time for beer.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32326915]That's dubious at best, and frankly it doesn't even matter because you still didn't answer the question: Why do you need a law for prayer if it's already illegal to disrupt traffic? [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] Really, so people going out into the streets and bringing traffic to a halt was not considered disruption? I find that [B]very[/B] hard to believe.[/QUOTE] Go ahead and make 50 people move at once without the use of a clear law that designates the religious act of praying as illegal to perform on the street

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326947]If anything they should be glad we're giving them a place to pray instead of just sending them a huge "go the fuck away" message.[/QUOTE] Also, "[I]they[/I] should be grateful for what [I]we[/I] give [I]them[/I]" is a horrible message to be conveying.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32326981]You seriously supporting tyranny of the majority now?[/QUOTE] No, I'm supporting the convenience of the majority. Muslims have tons of places to pray on, especially now with the buildings we gave them.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32326989]Go ahead and make 50 people move at once without the use of a clear law that designates the religious act of praying as illegal to perform on the street[/QUOTE] You're going to have to arrest them with the specification or without it, you really think all the Muslims in France are going to know the details of this law?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32327016]No, I'm supporting the convenience of the majority. Muslims have tons of places to pray on, especially now with the buildings we gave them.[/QUOTE] You should give them vast cotton fields so they can find productive work

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32327016]No, I'm supporting the convenience of the majority. Muslims have tons of places to pray on, especially now with the buildings we gave them.[/QUOTE] What is this "[I]we[/I] gave [I]them[/I]" nonsense? Who is "we" and who is "them"?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32326973]A majority can't force a minority to submit that would be fascism my good sir[/QUOTE] Well okay then, I declare myself king of molotov cocktails and will go around in the streets throwing incendiary bottles at cars because the great spaghetti monster told me to. You can't do jack shit, I'm a minority so no one has a right to say what I have to do.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32327043]Well okay then, I declare myself king of molotov cocktails and will go around in the streets throwing incendiary bottles at cars because the great spaghetti monster told me to. You can't do jack shit, I'm a minority so no one has a right to say what I have to do.[/QUOTE] You just compared disrupting traffic to firebombing cars?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32327043]Well okay then, I declare myself king of molotov cocktails and will go around in the streets throwing incendiary bottles at cars because the great spaghetti monster told me to. You can't do jack shit, I'm a minority so no one has a right to say what I have to do.[/QUOTE] alright, I'll admit that I'm wrong praying in the street IS exactly the same as throwing incendiary bottles at cars, why couldn't I have seen this utterly BRILLIANT angle before?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32327043]Well okay then, I declare myself king of molotov cocktails and will go around in the streets throwing incendiary bottles at cars because the great spaghetti monster told me to. You can't do jack shit, I'm a minority so no one has a right to say what I have to do.[/QUOTE] No sir, I declare you king of boxes.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32327016]No, I'm supporting the convenience of the majority.[/QUOTE] what you're supporting is bubkis and ironically against everything french philosophy stood for.

You said minority didn't have to submit to any kind of rules voted by the majority. So from that point no one can prevent me from firebombing everything.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32327043]Well okay then, I declare myself king of molotov cocktails and will go around in the streets throwing incendiary bottles at cars because the great spaghetti monster told me to. [/QUOTE] that's fine as long as you don't hurt anybody i don't care

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32327083]You said minority didn't have to submit to any kind of rules voted by the majority. So from that point no one can prevent me from firebombing everything.[/QUOTE] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32327083]You said minority didn't have to submit to any kind of rules voted by the majority.[/QUOTE] no no-one actually said that. Le realite et toi, vous ne vous entendez pas, n'est-ce pas?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32327083]You said minority didn't have to submit to any kind of rules voted by the majority. So from that point no one can prevent me from firebombing everything.[/QUOTE] He said that the majority cannot oppress the minority. It's not oppression if a law criminalizing murder applies to all citizens.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32327077]what you're supporting is bubkis and ironically against everything french philosophy stood for.[/QUOTE] French philosophy stood for democracy. Democracy means the right to the people, which means a superior power is elected for a given amount of time to choose rules to restrain people's freedom in an acceptable measure so they can live their life without much trouble. You might not like it but we need rules to be free. If cars weren't obligated to respect certain rules, everyone would ride on the sidewalk and you couldn't walk anymore. It restrains the freedom of car drivers to enhance the freedom of pedestrians, and does the opposite by restraining pedestrian from crossing roads in any other way that using a designated way. Banning street prayer allows people to walk on the sidewalk normally, giving them more freedom. The fact that buildings are given to Muslims so they can perform their prayer in a sane, clean and good place (which they didn't have and asked for in the first place, except for the few butthurts who say "they're not cattle" while it was never evoked in the first place) makes the law acceptable because it's not pressing against the ethnicity since it gives it the possibility to keep performing their ritual, not only in another place, but a place that is closer to where the Quran wants them to be for Prayer. You have to accept laws are always featuring a greater good and a lesser evil. It has to be like that or else it would be anarchy. Since people aren't able to manage themselves, the government has to redirect them and guide them by putting limits to their freedom. Total freedom only gives bad things.

And enslaving the dirty blacks allows the majority to have more freedom, by needing to work less.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32327181]French philosophy stood for democracy.[/QUOTE] what no it didn't.

Also 120 posts per day what the christ.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32327208]what no it didn't.[/QUOTE] Depends on which one you're talking about. The french revolution was pretty much all about that. And beheading people. Rousseau also pretty much said all of that. [QUOTE=Contag;32327204]And enslaving the dirty blacks allows the majority to have more freedom, by needing to work less.[/QUOTE] Once again, Rousseau. Slavery isn't acceptable because the counterpart is too important. Nothing comparable to having to go pray somewhere else to allow people to walk properly.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32327181]French philosophy stood for democracy. Democracy means the right to the people, which means a superior power is elected for a given amount of time to choose rules to restrain people's freedom in an acceptable measure so they can live their life without much trouble.[/QUOTE] So you're saying that the majority can oppress the minority to make the majority's lives more convenient?