Paris ban on Muslim street prayers comes into effect - Polidicks

[QUOTE=faze;32329728]You're an idiot. Do you have a camera? Let's see that fake ass doctorate.[/QUOTE] oh no if i dont divulge my personal information faze might not believe me you guys what am i going to do [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] oh god how will i ever cope with losing faze's confidence [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] oh god guys he rated me dumb FUCK I'VE BEEN FOUND OUT THAT DUMB RATING SAYS IT ALL [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] OH THANK GOD the dumb rating disappeared when i edited my post shit that was a close one

[QUOTE=faze;32328325]Because he's been banned countless times for racism and trolling. He's trying to draw attention away from that. Look at his ban history.[/QUOTE] if having uninformed or borderline racist opinions was a bannable offense the event logs of you and sobotnik would put the Yongle Encyclopedia to shame

thanks to zeke i just learned about the yongle encyclopedia wowe

i was hoping the yongle encyclopedia would be an encyclopedia about racism

[QUOTE=faze;32328325]Because he's been banned countless times for racism and trolling. He's trying to draw attention away from that. Look at his ban history.[/QUOTE] Did you miss the two "Not racist" and "Not a racist" unbans?

[QUOTE=Lazor;32330989]thanks to zeke i just learned about the yongle encyclopedia wowe[/QUOTE] it's the only long book I knew there's probably longer

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;32331046]Did you miss the two "Not racist" and "Not a racist" unbans?[/QUOTE] there would probably be a lot more unbans if i didn't refuse to use the refugee camp for anything other than writing musicals shit i think i told 89 one time to hold off on a "not racist" unban just so I could try to finish the musical

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32330943]would put the Yongle Encyclopedia to shame[/QUOTE] what a cool and obscure reference ~so hip~

[QUOTE=thisispain;32331131]what a cool and obscure reference ~so hip~[/QUOTE] glad you like my posts be sure to rate comment and subscribe

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[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;32317999]Not to mention it probably piss a lot of people off.[/QUOTE] France has the balls to handle it. (unless there's a war declared)

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32318051]The goal of these prayers is to form medium to big groups of people who pray together under the direction of one man. Until now they lacked room for that. They also pray at home but Islam has some very precise rules about praying - it has to be done at certain hours and certain days, no matter what. This is why some professors had trouble as well trying to interrupt Muslim students starting to pray in the middle of class because they didn't know what they were doing.[/QUOTE] Ugh, I hate religion. It's a complete brain washing. I feel sad for them. :'( I wish I could just show them the facts of how flawed their old theistic book is, and have them actually lesson to me instead of quoting the pre-defined arguments that their religions leaders have spoon fed them and in the end I would say as they walked away "run free beautiful mind. treat your mind and body with the utmost respect and treat others as you would treat yourself. think for yourself and create your own destiny" plz excuse my poor writing i'm on a phone.

[QUOTE=acds;32325367] Eh fuck it, I'm off to bed, 'cause this could keep going till tomorrow morning.[/QUOTE] When I said that, I didn't really think it would keep going that long (a few more hours, maybe). Guess I was wrong.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32328185] yeah pesky obstacles like rights[/QUOTE]The bourgeois don't care about rights. They only care about themselves and their money. They are reactionaries and want to abolish basic rights such as healthcare and education just so they can line up their pockets with some more money.

[QUOTE=newbz;32332534]Ugh, I hate religion. It's a complete brain washing. I feel sad for them. :'( I wish I could just show them the facts of how flawed their old theistic book is, and have them actually lesson to me instead of quoting the pre-defined arguments that their religions leaders have spoon fed them and in the end I would say as they walked away "run free beautiful mind. treat your mind and body with the utmost respect and treat others as you would treat yourself. think for yourself and create your own destiny" plz excuse my poor writing i'm on a phone.[/QUOTE] lol militant atheism Man, this thread changed a lot. I thought we were arguing over the actual OP, not facism.

I love how Americans think they can give opinions on a country that is miles away from theirs. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] Rate me dumb if you agree that muslims are ruining Europe.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32322908]yeah theres another word for that fascism or is it authoritarianism hmm im not sure maybe it's dictatorial.[/QUOTE] I just saw this, I don't understand how it's fascism? Public displays of affection (Pretty much making out and beyond) make the locals uncomfortable and so you'll probably be approached and told to stop; that's not fascism... that's culture. It's not up to one person deciding everything, its the way everyone from here feels. It's custom, get over it. Unless you were referring to the deportation; you only get deported here if you've commit a serious crime (drug dealing, stealing, murder, etc.) With minor crimes you'll probably get off with a warning or a short prison sentence (a few weeks at most), they just don't want to subject people to Sharia-[B]BASED[/B] laws if they do not happen to be Muslim. They just send them back and let their own judicial system decide what to do with them.

[QUOTE=Starship;32318966]Alot of people wants to wait to have sex because they believe the first time should be with someone special, Me and my ex GF waited 10 months before we had sex because we knew we wanted it to be special and not with someone that will break up after 1 month.[/QUOTE] Hah my teacher waited until they got married(which took years)

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;32332021]France has the balls to handle it. (unless there's a war declared)[/QUOTE] We sure do. Also this won't piss off any [i]French[/i] people. (Also we have nukes now, we won't be surrendering to anyone.)

[QUOTE=newbz;32332534]Ugh, I hate religion. It's a complete brain washing. I feel sad for them. :'( I wish I could just show them the facts of how flawed their old theistic book is, and have them actually lesson to me instead of quoting the pre-defined arguments that their religions leaders have spoon fed them and in the end I would say as they walked away "run free beautiful mind. treat your mind and body with the utmost respect and treat others as you would treat yourself. think for yourself and create your own destiny" plz excuse my poor writing i'm on a phone.[/QUOTE] "Run free beautiful mind, so long as you are athiest, otherwise you are brainwashed" I'm an atheist myself, but I still firmly believe in the religious freedom of all people, and for any nation or world to be called "free" everyone must have freedom of thought, freedom to have their own opinions, be they theist or atheist or just non-religous.

Are you people seriously justifying banning a religious freedom under the guise of "it's for your safety!" What the fuck kind of justification is that, how about actually punishing people who attack Muslims instead of the Muslims themselves?

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32336519]Are you people seriously justifying banning a religious freedom under the guise of "it's for your safety!" What the fuck kind of justification is that, how about actually punishing people who attack Muslims instead of the Muslims themselves?[/QUOTE] It's being done as well. Also the "it's for your safety" argument isn't concerning hatred towards the Muslims specifically, it's concerning the fact that blocking an entire road, road that is polluted as shit and made for cars to go through, is dangerous as shit. It's not even what they are supposed to do - they're supposed to pray in a Mosque (praying outside is pretty much a last resort in case of a huge lack of room, which is the case actually). The only thing that law does is solving the problem in a pragmatic way that makes everyone happy (except once again for a few butthurts that estimate they don't have to move even though their religion indicates nowhere they have to block traffic for their prayer). And, yeah, it can also push several people to physically assault a lone prayer in the street, but even if we still forbid assault in the street (which is already the case and, in the case of assaulting someone doing an obvious religious act, will also be considered religious hatred), he'll still have time to hit him. There aren't cops at every corner of the street and they aren't able to go faster than a kick in the face. About the "religion is brain-washing people", it's true in a specific case - extremism. And not only for Islam, for Christians too, hence these Christian religious camps where all kids are gathered in a small room and a fat lady yells at them about how god is powerful until they cry and suddenly believe in God because they think crying = being touched by the holy hand or something. Actual religion is far, FAR from brainwashing. At the beginning of humanity huge civilizations were pretty much a fantasy and people weren't united at a big enough scale to be able to decide common rules by themselves under their own name, so was created religion, in the goal of giving people common rules and a reward, should them act according to these rules. None of the monotheist religion nowadays contain a single passage saying you must kill people for the sake of your God - should it be written, it would be metaphorical (Jihad is more likely a war against your own sins and your own infidelity towards god than a war against other "sinners" and "infidels"). Religion is, was and will always be present because it's one of the last resorts of people before giving up. Knowing a god, should it exist or not, is behind you to support you and help you in the hardest times is definitely helping, and is something Science will sadly never be able to provide - as good as science is, it will never be able to give the promise of a perfect afterlife for the good people, where you will find all of your loved ones who were gone through your life. It's also a powerful tool of self judgment. Usually people have two ways of being judged - themselves, other peoples. With religion is added the judgment of God, which is pretty much what one will think God thinks of himself. This is why the notion of sin, repent and prayer exists - it's only a way to use god as a way to judge yourself and know if you're going or not in the right direction. So yeah, I know there are nutcases everywhere that kill people because "god told them" while it's only a voice in their head. No, they wouldn't disappear if Religion didn't exist, the voice in their head would just take another name and they would still be as dangerous. Oh and the religious book itself isn't about fact, it's about metaphors and a poetic approach of life. Do you really think they believed Eve was created from a Rib of Adam ? No, of course they didn't, it was a metaphor to say women and men have to live side by side (ribs are located on the side of the human body). [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] Yeah I'm back

[quote]None of the monotheist religion nowadays contain a single passage saying you must kill people for the sake of your God - should it be written,[B] it would be metaphorical[/B] [/quote] [I]How convenient.[/I] [editline]18th September 2011[/editline] [quote]it's concerning the fact that blocking an entire road, road that is polluted as shit and made for cars to go through, is dangerous as shit.[/quote] As has been said a million times, are there not non-targeted 'traffic disruption' laws?

I'm not the one who says it, you can ask a lot of regular religious people outside, most of them will say it's more metaphorical than factual. And so far I'd be more likely to trust people who actually believe and live with that book everyday than, say, people who say it's totally all true (creationism) or pure atheists who just try to sink religion in all ways possible. I'm agnostic (for those who don't know, it means I don't necessarily believe in god but also don't believe in its non existence, as far as no proof is given I'm neutral about the whole thing), and I still think the holy books are for the most part really inspiring and poetic. I kinda feel bad for you to know you are so close minded.

[quote]And, yeah, it can also push several people to physically assault a lone prayer in the street, but even if we still forbid assault in the street , he'll still have time to hit him. [/quote] Wait, I thought that there wasn't any lone street prayers, because they were so numerous they disrupt traffic? Restrict their freedom in order to protect them? Gee where have I heard that rhetoric before (e.g. the propaganda of all totalitarian regimes) [editline]18th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;32337071]And so far I'd be more likely to trust people who actually believe and live with that book everyday than, say, people who say it's totally all true (creationism) or pure atheists who just try to sink religion in all ways possible.[/QUOTE] It's only considered metaphor now as most of it is unbelievable or considered abhorrent. Before modernity it was certainly considered literal.

Thank God someone is finally oppressing islamists

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32337071]I'm not the one who says it, you can ask a lot of regular religious people outside, most of them will say it's more metaphorical than factual. And so far I'd be more likely to trust people who actually believe and live with that book everyday than, say, people who say it's totally all true (creationism) or pure atheists who just try to sink religion in all ways possible. I'm agnostic (for those who don't know, it means I don't necessarily believe in god but also don't believe in its non existence, as far as no proof is given I'm neutral about the whole thing), and I still think the holy books are for the most part really inspiring and poetic. I kinda feel bad for you to know you are so close minded.[/QUOTE] That's silly. Either the entire book is metaphorical or literal, picking and choosing which parts you want to say are metaphors are just ways people try to justify the abhorrent scriptures that are in there. "Pure atheists" don't try to sink religion, assholes do. And besides you're an agnostic atheist since you don't hold a belief in a god.

[QUOTE=Leg of Doom;32337104]Thank God someone is finally oppressing islamists[/QUOTE] Disregard this man.

[QUOTE=Contag;32337080]Wait, I thought that there wasn't any lone street prayers, because they were so numerous they disrupt traffic? Restrict their freedom in order to protect them? Gee where have I heard that rhetoric before (e.g. the propaganda of all totalitarian regimes) [/QUOTE] There are people who pray alone (5 times per the day) in the street (most of the time hobos who can't go in mosques because they're full) and people who pray in large groups (Friday). The first one is inconvenient because it's in the middle of the sidewalk, the second one is inconvenient because it's in the middle of the road and some times of the sidewalk as well (at the same time). In both cases the Quran says they should do it in Mosques, so we're giving them Mosques. The "it's been done in dictatorships before" argument is retarded and irrelevant. [QUOTE=Contag;32337080] It's only considered metaphor now as most of it is unbelievable or considered abhorrent. Before modernity it was certainly considered literal.[/QUOTE] Because before "modernity" most people were morons, including the priests. The people who wrote the Bible were far from doing it with bad intentions.

It's not for anyones safety. It's not to prevent them from praying. Muslims should be praying in mosques, that is what they are for. The only time you should pray somewhere like the street would be if there aren't enough mosques to pray in. This is getting in the way of people who want to drive down roads that are filled with people praying on a busy Friday noon. Muslims get mosques to pray in, people can go about doing their thing. Everybody wins. No one is supposedly protected, and I'm sure the protests were only to bring light to the issue that was dealt in a very unbiased manner. I just love how I'm a muslim and non-muslims are getting so offended at this. If we were really that upset there'd be reports of protests like what happened with the Danish cartoon. We're being given what we want, where is the problem here?