Paris ban on Muslim street prayers comes into effect - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32338024]Tough fucking shit. Foreigners come to my country of residence and want to keep their values, I wanna keep some of mine when I go over there.[/QUOTE] Everyone should abolish their cultural values to suit what you want? I really hope you're kidding. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=lukepker;32338066]Yes we can.[/QUOTE] Then you're a bigot.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32338046]It's not that two men are kissing - if I were to take a girl and make out with her in public the same exact thing will apply. It's just a little custom, no one gets leverage here - enjoying each others company like that should be kept away in a private space. That's just how it's perceived there, surely you can't call a culture ignorant for having different values of what is appropriate and what is not?[/QUOTE] If that's what they believe then that's what they believe, but people shouldn't be persecuted, either legally or socially, just for kissing/making out. I'll call a culture ignorant if it's going to be detrimental to people. Would you call a culture ignorant if it believed women were subversive to men?

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32338067]Everyone should abolish their cultural values to suit what you want? I really hope you're kidding. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] [b]Then you're a bigot.[/b][/QUOTE] HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHA fuck off [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Starpluck))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338082]If that's what they believe then that's what they believe, but people shouldn't be persecuted, either legally or socially, just for kissing/making out. I'll call a culture ignorant if it's going to be detrimental to people. Would you call a culture ignorant if it believed women were subversive to men?[/QUOTE] Different culture, different values. What's rude to one society may be perfectly acceptable to another. You're being incredibly close-minded.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32338146]Different culture, different values. What's rude to one society may be perfectly acceptable to another. You're being incredibly close-minded.[/QUOTE] Let me say it again, would you call a culture ignorant because it believes women are worth less than men?

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338082] I'll call a culture ignorant if it's going to be detrimental to people. Would you call a culture ignorant if it believed women were subversive to men?[/QUOTE] What is detrimental about a culture that prefers intimate actions be performed in private? This isn't a case where people hate that they can't kiss in public. Its a CULTURAL thing, meaning that the people who live here were just raised with that idea of keeping intimacy away from the public eye. It's not like one day someone decided it and there was a crackdown on people who would make out in public, thats just how it is here. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] There's a HUGE difference between giving one group of people superiority than making everyone adhere to a cultural value that isn't aimed at one group of people. Don't try playing that card.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32338183]What is detrimental about a culture that prefers intimate actions be performed in private? This isn't a case where people hate that they can't kiss in public. Its a CULTURAL thing, meaning that the people who live here were just raised with that idea of keeping intimacy away from the public eye. It's not like one day someone decided it and there was a crackdown on people who would make out in public, thats just how it is here. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] There's a HUGE difference between giving one group of people superiority than making everyone adhere to a cultural value that isn't aimed at one group of people. Don't try playing that card.[/QUOTE] Kissing isn't always intimate. It's detrimental because people have to avoid kissing in public because they will be looked down upon by society. "That's just how it is" is a flimsy justification. You could say the same for, once again, a woman's place in society a hundred years ago and even today in many countries, that was just how it was/is. That's not my point, would you call it ignorant or not?

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338273]Kissing isn't always intimate. It's detrimental because people have to avoid kissing in public because they will be looked down upon by society. "That's just how it is" is a flimsy justification. You could say the same for, once again, a woman's place in society a hundred years ago and even today in many countries, that was just how it was. That's not my point, would you call it ignorant or not?[/QUOTE] Kissing in a non-intimate nature, you mean like just pecks on the lips? I highly doubt anyone would give a shit about that, I'm just talking about full on macking. Also, they are not looked down on as terrible members of society, people consider it to be more 'rude' than 'wrong'. Of course I'd call it ignorant.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32338321]Kissing in a non-intimate nature, you mean like just pecks on the lips? I highly doubt anyone would give a shit about that, I'm just talking about full on macking. Of course I'd call it ignorant.[/QUOTE] That's still silly to have a policeman ask you to stop for making out. Why call it ignorant? Different culture, different values. You're being close-minded.

Gays kissing get looked down upon by society in every countries, you know that ? [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] If policemen tell them to stop it's because it's part of their culture. You don't have to blame them for considering making out in public, homo or straight (I'm pretty sure whoever makes out in public gets in trouble) something that must not be done where everyone can see you the same you they don't have to blame you for not praying five times a day and your women for not wearing the hijab. In every countries, US counted, there are a lot of acts that are considered exhibitionism and are being stopped by policemen. If you have to blow someone or have sex with someone in the US in public to be considered an exhibitionist, you just have to kiss to be considered one in their countries, and I don't see the problem with that - their culture just takes relationships to a certain level of privacy your culture doesn't necessarily have.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32338346]Gays kissing get looked down upon by society in every countries, you know that ? [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] If policemen tell them to stop it's because it's part of their culture. You don't have to blame them for considering making out in public, homo or straight (I'm pretty sure whoever makes out in public gets in trouble) something that must not be done where everyone can see you the same you they don't have to blame you for not praying five times a day and your women for not wearing the hijab.[/QUOTE] Sure it does, but that doesn't make it okay. And it seems in Qatar, even if you're straight you get looked down for it. It's none of the policeman's goddamn business. He shouldn't be asking people to stop unless they're breaking the law.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338334]That's still silly to have a policeman ask you to stop for making out. Why call it ignorant? Different culture, different values. You're being close-minded.[/QUOTE] It's ignorant because you're discriminating based on something no one can control and victimizing one group of people. Did you know that in Italy, the 'OK' sign (the circle with the thumb and index finger) means asshole? I suppose that makes them detrimental for being offended because non-Italians see it as something else!

It's also a proof of respect to give up a few of your cultural elements that might conflict with the local ones for the time you're spending here. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338418]Sure it does, but that doesn't make it okay. And it seems in Qatar, even if you're straight you get looked down for it. It's none of the policeman's goddamn business. He shouldn't be asking people to stop unless they're breaking the law.[/QUOTE] Because in Qatar it's vulgar and obnoxious to kiss in public. No one has to see that so you don't have to do it in the middle of a crowd.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338418]Sure it does, but that doesn't make it okay. And it seems in Qatar, even if you're straight you get looked down for it. It's none of the policeman's goddamn business. He shouldn't be asking people to stop unless they're breaking the law.[/QUOTE] The same argument can flaw pretty much all of the indecent exposure laws. Some countries find the exposing of a woman's breasts offensive, some are perfectly okay with it. In some countries, you'll be asked by the police to wear clothes and in others; you would be left alone. Different people think differently, and when it really isn't such a huge sacrifice like this no one ever really gives a shit. That's why I'm so confused as to why you're so angry about this.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32338474]That's why I'm so confused as to why you're so angry about this.[/QUOTE] I'd rather be arguing with an angry man than with a paranoid one, such as yourself.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32338474]That's why I'm so confused as to why you're so angry about this.[/QUOTE] From what I got you should be able to carry all of your culture with you wherever you go regardless of what the local people thinks of it. Which is completely absurd.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32338432]It's ignorant because you're discriminating based on something no one can control and victimizing one group of people. Did you know that in Italy, the 'OK' sign (the circle with the thumb and index finger) means asshole? I suppose that makes them detrimental for being offended because non-Italians see it as something else![/QUOTE] Then when I say I dislike your cultural values, don't call me close-minded by saying "we're just a different culture with different values."

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32338498]I'd rather be arguing with an angry man than with a paranoid one, such as yourself.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry if I offended you but I'm rather intrigued how people are criticizing me like I came up with the culture I was raised in. The place I am from views relationships as something more private than yours does, there's no argument to be had. If you find something wrong with that, fine! No one's making you come to Qatar. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338537]Then when I say I dislike your cultural values, don't call me close-minded by saying "we're just a different culture with different values."[/QUOTE] It's one thing to dislike, it's another to call them ignorant and detrimental. You're more than entitled to your opinion, but that's not disagreeing, that's insulting.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32338474]The same argument can flaw pretty much all of the indecent exposure laws. Some countries find the exposing of a woman's breasts offensive, some are perfectly okay with it. In some countries, you'll be asked by the police to wear clothes and in others; you would be left alone. Different people think differently, and when it really isn't such a huge sacrifice like this no one ever really gives a shit. That's why I'm so confused as to why you're so angry about this.[/QUOTE] It's different in that example because it's illegal for women to expose their breasts in those countries. Which is also not okay. And I'm not angry I just use stern language.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338537]Then when I say I dislike your cultural values, don't call me close-minded by saying "we're just a different culture with different values."[/QUOTE] Tbh your arguments more sounded like "our culture is better than yours" rather than "I dislike your cultural values".

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32338567] that's not disagreeing, that's insulting.[/QUOTE] Uhum. [QUOTE=Conspiracy;32338067]Everyone should abolish their cultural values to suit what you want? I really hope you're kidding. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32338567]I'm sorry if I offended you but I'm rather intrigued how people are criticizing me like I came up with the culture I was raised in. The place I am from views relationships as something more private than yours does, there's no argument to be had. If you find something wrong with that, fine! No one's making you come to Qatar. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] It's one thing to dislike, it's another to call them ignorant and detrimental. You're more than entitled to your opinion, but that's not disagreeing, that's insulting.[/QUOTE] If you think women being lesser to men is ignorant, fine, no one's making you come to Iran.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32338567]I'm sorry if I offended you but I'm rather intrigued how people are criticizing me like I came up with the culture I was raised in. The place I am from views relationships as something more private than yours does, there's no argument to be had. If you find something wrong with that, fine! No one's making you come to Qatar.[/QUOTE] qatar? that's pretty cool. you speak perfect english, almost.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338584]It's different in that example because it's illegal for women to expose their breasts in those countries. Which is also not okay.[/QUOTE] It's indecent. Indecency is prohibited by the law. There's nothing wrong with it. And if you say that it's women discrimination, men can't show their dick in public. Yeah they can probably show their pecs but as far as I know a man's torso isn't featuring secondary sexual arguments.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338584]It's different in that example because it's illegal for women to expose their breasts in those countries. Which is also not okay. And I'm not angry I just use stern language.[/QUOTE] If you truly mean that, then I can agree to disagree; because we were obviously raised from such different backgrounds that you're going to disagree with some of my cultural values and I'll disagree with some of yours. Justifications are stuff we've been raised with so this argument can go back and forth. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ConArtist;32338613]qatar? that's pretty cool. you speak perfect english, almost.[/QUOTE] English is my first language and I am fluent, but when I'm on an internet forum I tend to be a little more careless with punctuation and etc. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32338605]Uhum.[/QUOTE] That was directed at the post that said 'Tough fucking shit, if I go over there it better be like how I want it to be'. My response was nicer than it should have been.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32338620]It's indecent. Indecency is prohibited by the law. There's nothing wrong with it. And if you say that it's women discrimination, men can't show their dick in public. Yeah they can probably show their pecs but as far as I know a man's torso isn't featuring secondary sexual arguments.[/QUOTE] Both men and women cannot show their genitals, but men can go topless and women can't.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338695]Both men and women cannot show their genitals, but men can go topless and women can't.[/QUOTE] Who the hell cares? That's an incredibly petty issue.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32338708]Who the hell cares? That's an incredibly petty issue.[/QUOTE] I'm not the one who brought it up. And what a fantastic stance, "who the hell cares", that's sure going to get something done.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32338625] That was directed at the post that said 'Tough fucking shit, if I go over there it better be like how I want it to be'. My response was nicer than it should have been.[/QUOTE] With all due respect, are you dumb or just incapable of reading? I never said anything about it being the way I want it to be. They want to come over to us while keeping some of their values intact, fine. But I expect the same treatment when I go over there. I don't like some of the stuff some foreigners do when they're over here but I tolerate it. Same shit for them.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338611]If you think women being lesser to men is ignorant, fine, no one's making you come to Iran.[/QUOTE] Yeah, difference is that the people who suffer in Iran are the women who can't escape the horrid sexism that surrounds them. The people in Qatar can just choose not to make out in the middle of a mall.