Paris ban on Muslim street prayers comes into effect - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338695]Both men and women cannot show their genitals, but men can go topless and women can't.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;32338620]Yeah they can probably show their pecs but as far as I know a man's torso isn't featuring secondary sexual arguments.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338695]Both men and women cannot show their genitals, but men can go topless and women can't.[/QUOTE] Men don't carry breasts that are considered sexual arguments. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] Thanks Sir Whoopsalot for point that up

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32338782]Men don't carry breasts that are considered sexual arguments.[/QUOTE] That would be pretty fucked up if men suddenly grew tits.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32338790]That would be pretty fucked up if men suddenly grew tits.[/QUOTE] Fight club

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338718]I'm not the one who brought it up. And what a fantastic stance, "who the hell cares", that's sure going to get something done.[/QUOTE] You focus on real issues instead of petty ones. Like somebody is sad they can't kiss in public or go topless? Tough shit, an economy needs to be fixed, taxes paid, jobs done, infrastructure maintained, goods processed, etc. The kind of thinking that says "Public kissing is wrong and I find this to be a very backward thing." is the same type that looks at some people getting moved off the streets to let traffic past is a violation of their rights.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32338782]Men don't carry breasts that are considered sexual arguments. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] Thanks Sir Whoopsalot for point that up[/QUOTE] Breasts aren't sexual, they're not necessary for reproduction, they're there to provide for offspring. You can't say women have equal rights if they can't take their shirts off as well. Breasts aren't considered sexual in many different cultures, WOOPS there's the "different culture" argument that's been getting flung around.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32338744]With all due respect, are you dumb or just incapable of reading? I never said anything about it being the way I want it to be. They want to come over to us while keeping some of their values intact, fine. But I expect the same treatment when I go over there. I don't like some of the stuff some foreigners do when they're over here but I tolerate it. Same shit for them.[/QUOTE] The fact that you speak of people that aren't you as 'they' and you place the blame on a tiny peninsula off the west of Saudi Arabia should tell you everything that's wrong with that argument. Quite a lot has been done to accomodate people that aren't from here. They sell alcohol and pork; they build churches and places of worship for whoever can register their religion with the state department and requests one by meeting the requirements (You need a certain number of followers); do people disagree with but tolerate the distribution of alcohol? Sure! The majority of the muslim population! People should be given the freedom to do what they want, and I agree with you on that. But culturally it is vulgar to get intimate in public; and it's just a tiny custom to respect.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32338841]You focus on real issues instead of petty ones. Like somebody is sad they can't kiss in public or go topless? Tough shit, an economy needs to be fixed, taxes paid, jobs done, infrastructure maintained, goods processed, etc. The kind of thinking that says "Public kissing is wrong and I find this to be a very backward thing." is the same type that looks at some people getting moved off the streets to let traffic past is a violation of their rights.[/QUOTE] It's not either or. We can just cast away rights under the excuse that it's not important? "Tough shit gay man who got tortured for being gay, we have an economy to fix!" Although we've already established you're willing to oppress your citizens if it means you have a good economy so I'm not even going to continue with you.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338881]It's not either or. We can just cast away rights under the excuse that it's not important? "Tough shit gay man who got tortured for being gay, we have an economy to fix!"[/QUOTE] So a man being tortured is comparable to somebody being unable to kiss in public?

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32338881]It's not either or. We can just cast away rights under the excuse that it's not important? "Tough shit gay man who got tortured for being gay, we have an economy to fix!" Although we've already established you're willing to oppress your citizens if it means you have a good economy so I'm not even going to continue with you.[/QUOTE] I'm not agreeing that the guy should have gotten lashes, and I don't think the majority of the population today will either. The government is developing and moving away from Saudi Arabias much more extremist stance on things un-Islamic. No one is getting lashings anymore.

Torture hasn't been done for twenty years, stop using that pointless argument. Breasts aren't considered sexual in every cultures but in Qatar they are. Thus they have to be hidden as a penis or vag has to be hidden.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32334906]I just saw this, I don't understand how it's fascism? Public displays of affection (Pretty much making out and beyond) make the locals uncomfortable and so you'll probably be approached and told to stop; that's not fascism... that's culture. It's not up to one person deciding everything, its the way everyone from here feels. It's custom, get over it. Unless you were referring to the deportation; you only get deported here if you've commit a serious crime (drug dealing, stealing, murder, etc.) With minor crimes you'll probably get off with a warning or a short prison sentence (a few weeks at most), they just don't want to subject people to Sharia-[B]BASED[/B] laws if they do not happen to be Muslim. They just send them back and let their own judicial system decide what to do with them.[/QUOTE] If you think your comfort is more important than everyone else's ability to express themselves, that's fascism. You can take your comfort and shove it up your ass. Nobody is entitled to that, not at the expense of everyone else.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32339406]If you think your comfort is more important than everyone else's ability to express themselves, that's fascism. You can take your comfort and shove it up your ass. Nobody is entitled to that, not at the expense of everyone else.[/QUOTE] The issue is really just an incredibly petty one. This is why Liberals are often hated, for the loud ones focus on petty issues and see problems where none exist.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32339483]The issue is really just an incredibly petty one. This is why Liberals are often hated, for the loud ones focus on petty issues and see problems where none exist.[/QUOTE] your intelligible garbage is making me uncomfortable. you don't have the right to be this uneducated I demand you stop talking.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32339406]If you think your comfort is more important than everyone else's ability to express themselves, that's fascism. You can take your comfort and shove it up your ass. Nobody is entitled to that, not at the expense of everyone else.[/QUOTE] You can take your bigotry and shove it up yours. This isn't put into place by a government entity; people from this part of the world just find it rude when couples get intimate for the public to see. No one is forcing you to agree to it, but if you're going to come to Qatar you're expected to respect it. If you're not ready to, no one is exactly forcing you to come.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32339530]You can take your bigotry and shove it up yours. This isn't put into place by a government entity; people from this part of the world just find it rude when couples get intimate for the public to see. No one is forcing you to agree to it, but if you're going to come to Qatar you're expected to respect it. If you're not ready to, no one is exactly forcing you to come.[/QUOTE] Oh yes I'm bigoted because I don't think I have the right to tell people what they can and can't do based upon my own personal standard of comfort. That's bigotry alright! NOT TELLIN DEM GAYS TO SHOVE OFF, NUH UH, THAT ISN'T BIGOTRY AT ALL. I don't give a flying FUCK what you find rude. When you legislate that subjective bullshit, you become an authoritarian state. Qatar is a bullshit country run by morality police and homophobic ingrates, evidently. I don't see how you think you have the right to make those decisions for other people.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32339584]Oh yes I'm bigoted because I don't think I have the right to tell people what they can and can't do based upon my own personal standard of comfort. That's bigotry alright! NOT TELLIN DEM GAYS TO SHOVE OFF, NUH UH, THAT ISN'T BIGOTRY AT ALL.[/QUOTE] You're bigoted because you don't accept that an incredibly trivial custom is right because it's different to your own. I don't know if your reading skills are exactly up to par but I will mention again that PDA between two straight or gay or even married muslim couples is frowned upon socially. No one is telling gays to shove off, idiot.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32339618]You're bigoted because you don't accept that an incredibly trivial custom is right because it's different to your own. I don't know if your reading skills are exactly up to par but I will mention again that PDA between two straight or gay or even married muslim couples is frowned upon socially. No one is telling gays to shove off, idiot.[/QUOTE] I don't accept the customs of the Nazis either. Bigotry =/= disagreeing with bullshit laws. Bigotry = persecution of specific minority groups. I'm sorry you prefer to pretend that kind of law is enforced upon both straight people and gay people, but how about you use your brain and think about who is most likely to get punished for public displays of affection? Straight people? Or people who are criminally gay according to your bullshit little "customs." Do not act like that law is enforced equally. Subjective "comfort" laws NEVER ARE. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] Yo sobotnik, Mr. "Pragmatism", it's cool how you're defending a completely non-pragmatic law right now. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] Also, a systematic abuse of rights is hardly what I'd call a "custom" to begin with. That's a bullshit rationalization. You can't call abuses a tradition.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32339659]I don't accept the customs of the Nazis either. Bigotry =/= disagreeing with bullshit laws. Bigotry = persecution of specific minority groups. I'm sorry you prefer to pretend that kind of law is enforced upon both straight people and gay people, but how about you use your brain and think about who is most likely to get punished for public displays of affection? Straight people? Or people who are criminally gay according to your bullshit little "customs." Do not act like that law is enforced equally. Subjective "comfort" laws NEVER ARE. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] Yo sobotnik, Mr. "Pragmatism", it's cool how you're defending a completely non-pragmatic law right now.[/QUOTE] "Subjective comfort laws" my ass! Your arguments been defeated so you're just guessing at this point! I overestimated your ability to argue. Straight people are EQUALLY treated in this respect, just a couple weeks ago a friend of mine thought it'd be a good idea to make out with his girlfriend outside a mall. He was approached and told off because people find it rude. Jesus Christ, I should ask one of my several gay friends to sign up to FP and tell you just how ignorant you sound!

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32339791]"Subjective comfort laws" my ass! Your arguments been defeated so you're just guessing at this point! I overestimated your ability to argue. Straight people are EQUALLY treated in this respect, just a couple weeks ago a friend of mine thought it'd be a good idea to make out with his girlfriend outside a mall. He was approached and told off because people find it rude. Jesus Christ, I should ask one of my several gay friends to sign up to FP and tell you just how ignorant you sound![/QUOTE] I'm sorry, so what do you call a law based upon preserving your own comfort in public that makes it illegal for two men to have butt sex? A TRADITION, oh right it's a custom! I'm so sorry that I forgot your pseudo-religions theocratic bullshit could count as CUSTOMS. Right, that makes it WAY better to sentence people for up to five years for sodomizing another consenting adult. Because I don't see as many laws saying you can't mack with your girlfriend as I see laws that say Adam and Steve ought to flee to whatever your equivalent to Mexico is. I'm guessing you're straight, right? Because I don't really give a flying fuck if a straight guy thinks shit is fair for a gay guy.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32339659]I don't accept the customs of the Nazis either. Bigotry =/= disagreeing with bullshit laws. Bigotry = persecution of specific minority groups. I'm sorry you prefer to pretend that kind of law is enforced upon both straight people and gay people, but how about you use your brain and think about who is most likely to get punished for public displays of affection? Straight people? Or people who are criminally gay according to your bullshit little "customs." Do not act like that law is enforced equally. Subjective "comfort" laws NEVER ARE. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] Yo sobotnik, Mr. "Pragmatism", it's cool how you're defending a completely non-pragmatic law right now. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] Also, a systematic abuse of rights is hardly what I'd call a "custom" to begin with. That's a bullshit rationalization. You can't call abuses a tradition.[/QUOTE] I'm going to guess you skipped over the last few pages of me explaining why there really is no argument to begin with so I'm just going to ignore this.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32339659]Yo sobotnik, Mr. "Pragmatism", it's cool how you're defending a completely non-pragmatic law right now.[/QUOTE] The law implemented is pragmatic,sensible and accepted by most people what don't you understand about that?

threads like this are doomed for people to take things too far and spin off into almost irrelevant shit pretty pathetic wasting your time arguing with strangers on the internet non-stop for over 24 hours

You just need to accept that thats how things work in Qatar, sure they frown upon things like kissing in public but they could be a whole lot stricter about how they enforce that. Compared to other Middle Eastern countries Qatar is very lenient towards that kind of thing.

Oh sorry that's right you have gay friends! That's cool. I can defend 1800's Slavery in the Americas, because I got like five black friends! That's how this works! [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;32339829]The law implemented is pragmatic,sensible and accepted by most people what don't you understand about that?[/QUOTE] Pragmatic laws are laws that punish a crime which has caused some manner of noticeable, irreparable harm. Not to preserve comfort. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=RainbowStalin;32339862]You just need to accept that thats how things work in Qatar[/QUOTE] Yeah just like black people, they should have just accepted that they had to drink from separate fountains. I ain't moving to Qatar any time soon. That doesn't mean I have to sit around and pander to bullshit legislation under some layman occupant of Qatar saying it's "custom" and "tradition." Customs and traditions aren't laws.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32339813]I'm sorry, so what do you call a law based upon preserving your own comfort in public that makes it illegal for two men to have butt sex?[/QUOTE] A law put into place when Qatar was a government influenced by the Saudi-born Wahhabi interpretation of Islam. If you'd look into it, sodomy between a straight and gay couple are against that law. But the real question is, how on earth do they plan on enforcing it? The place has developed big time since its independence and these kinds of laws are overlooked and gay people live completely normal lives. Should it be scrapped? Hell yes. Is it enforced? Not really. Was it wrong to be there in the first place? Definitely! But no one is being oppressed here, gay or straight. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;32339869]Oh sorry that's right you have gay friends! That's cool. I can defend 1800's Slavery in the Americas, because I got like five black friends! That's how this works! [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] Pragmatic laws are laws that punish a crime which has caused some manner of noticeable, irreparable harm. Not to preserve comfort. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] Yeah just like black people, they should have just accepted that they had to drink from separate fountains.[/QUOTE] I'm not justifying any homophobia for having gay friends. My point is that they are happy in Qatar and do not face any ridicule for their sexual orientation whatsoever.

Comparing the way Qatar deals with homosexuality with Slavery doesn't work at all. Its not like there are fountains in Qatar that have GAY and NON-GAY written on them. A gay person won't get arrested in Qatar for sitting at the front of the bus.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32339902]A law put into place when Qatar was a government influenced by the Saudi-born Wahhabi interpretation of Islam. If you'd look into it, sodomy between a straight and gay couple are against that law. But the real question is, how on earth do they plan on enforcing it? The place has developed big time since its independence and these kinds of laws are overlooked and gay people live completely normal lives. Should it be scrapped? Hell yes. Is it enforced? Not really. Was it wrong to be there in the first place? Definitely! But no one is being oppressed here, gay or straight.[/QUOTE] An unenforceable law is the most easily abused law. You can start massive witch-hunts with it. We in America had laws against witch craft during the 1600's. Could we enforce them? No. Did that stop the Puritans from burning innocent women at the stake? Fuck no.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32339869]Pragmatic laws are laws that punish a crime which has caused some manner of noticeable, irreparable harm. Not to preserve comfort.[/QUOTE] The people of the nation have accepted said law, there is no issues arising from it, it has been implemented and is pragmatic. The culture there is different, understand that. Secondly the law just passed in Paris, is a pragmatic one with no problems at all. All problems that people see in it are just ones Liberals create.

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;32339936]Comparing the way Qatar deals with homosexuality with Slavery doesn't work at all. Its not like there are fountains in Qatar that have GAY and NON-GAY written on them.[/QUOTE] You have a law, a piece of legislation, that forbids homosexual conduct. And you have laws that don't just have to do with sodomy. Any sort of intimate relations between two people of the same sex are illegal. I don't care whether or not you enforce it. That is a god damn law. The entire basis of your society, and it's bigoted. [editline]17th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;32339946]The people of the nation have accepted said law.[/QUOTE] Yeah because the ones who don't accept it are in prison. Don't pull this populism bullshit again. I'm pretty sure Qatar is not a populist, direct democracy. That sort of argument only works when you've actually tallied the votes, not by just saying "oh everyone's accepted it." with only one or two people's words to your credit.