Paris ban on Muslim street prayers comes into effect - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Swilly;32319492]Oh look! People trying to figure out politics of a nation without any backstory. I'm glad there is atleast a frenchman explaining it.[/QUOTE] And people making broad generalizations on it! This is Facepunch after all!

Seriously read the thread. At the beginning of page seven I will make a summary for everyone to get it.

[QUOTE=lukepker;32319507]A handful of Muslims don't speak for Islam then.[/QUOTE]Several hundred thousand extremists are a larger amount than one man shooting some people.

[QUOTE=Cone;32319486]Okay then. Refute my point, then.[/QUOTE] Your point is that Muslims shouldn't be allowed to pray outside because somebody might attack them for being Muslim. If you can't see how this is one of the stupidest arguments in the history of mankind there is no hope for you. You're persecuting the potential victim, turn your god damned brain on please.

[QUOTE=faze;32319518]Several hundred thousand extremists are a larger amount than one man shooting some people.[/QUOTE] That would be a fair point if you provided some evidence.

[QUOTE=Contag;32319505]So the additional mosque capacity that the government is funding actually doesn't help the 'problem' at all. (of course placing the blame on Muslims for praying 5 times a day, and not on the people who want to beat them to death is idiotic) You know, we should segregate Muslims and non-muslims for their protection.[/QUOTE] Again, praying out in the open street is equivalent to being naked next to a city of rapists. Stop your exaggerations, it makes you look no more intelligent.

[QUOTE=lukepker;32319540]That would be a fair point if you provide some evidence.[/QUOTE]Look up how many people are in the Taliban and al Qaeda.

[QUOTE=Cone;32319542]Again, praying out in the open street is equivalent to being naked next to a city of rapists. Stop your exaggerations, it makes you look no more intelligent.[/QUOTE] Being naked in a city of rapists should be 100% legal, the rapists are the ones that should be arrested not the naked person.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319537]Your point is that Muslims shouldn't be allowed to pray outside because somebody might attack them for being Muslim. If you can't see how this is one of the stupidest arguments in the history of mankind there is no hope for you.[/QUOTE] What? If it's one of the stupidest arguments in the history of mankind, I think you gravely overestimate how stupid one person can be when confronted with a differing belief to his. Kind of like this thread, actually. [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;32319561]Being naked in a city of rapists should be 100% legal, the rapists are the ones that should be arrested not the naked person.[/QUOTE] Right, but we're [I]not[/I] arresting them. We're saying "You'd better get out of here or put some clothes on, before those rapists get you!"

Oh well, thread was nice while it lasted. Now we're just entering the same old religious discussion cycles.

[QUOTE=Cone;32319565]What? If it's one of the stupidest arguments in the history of mankind, I think you gravely overestimate how stupid one person can be when confronted with a differing belief to his. Kind of like this thread, actually.[/QUOTE] You are making me absolutely infuriated, it's like someone forgot to teach you how to put together rational thoughts or something WHY should Muslims be victimized for being POTENTIAL VICTIMS? It's just Unfathomable how dumb you are being like, you are turning my world upside down by showing me new levels of human stupidity

[QUOTE=Swilly;32319492]Oh look! People trying to figure out politics of a nation without any backstory. I'm glad there is atleast a frenchman explaining it.[/QUOTE] Let's start the backstory. It begins in the Early middle ages or end of the Classical era. Some would say French began in the late 5th century when Clovis I united the Frankish tribes and converted to Christianity... Here is a picture of Clovis. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Fran%C3%A7ois-Louis_Dejuinne_%281786-1844%29_-_Clovis_roi_des_Francs_%28465-511%29.jpg[/img]

[h2]TO CLARIFY :[/h2] • The law was voted with the help and endorsement of various Muslim spokesmen. • The law bans individual and group prayer on the street. • [b]New mosques will be built so the Muslims will have a place to pray, as the Quran say they should[/b]. In the meantime, municipalities have been offering unused buildings with proper accommodation. • [b]The law is not a way to oppress Muslims.[/b] • The reason of this ban is that Street Prayer is inconvenient and blocks several streets in case of group praying. • The law was also voted because Muslims often get assaulted for the mere fact of being Muslim. The Government is helping them to have a place to actual pray in instead of appearing as a public nuisance to hateful people. • [B]Muslims don't pray in their mosques in the first place because these are already full with other people praying.[/B] • [B]THE LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM. If the Muslims were Christians or Jews, the law would be the SAME[/B] /bullshit argument

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319561]Being naked in a city of rapists should be 100% legal, the rapists are the ones that should be arrested not the naked person.[/QUOTE] This is absolutely correct.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32319601][h2]TO CLARIFY :[/h2] • The law was voted with the help and endorsement of various Muslim spokesmen. • The law bans individual and group prayer on the street. • [b]New mosques will be built so the Muslims will have a place to pray, as the Quran say they should[/b]. In the meantime, municipalities have been offering unused buildings with proper accommodation. • [b]The law is not a way to oppress Muslims.[/b] • The reason of this ban is that Street Prayer is inconvenient and blocks several streets in case of group praying. • [B]Muslims don't pray in their mosques in the first place because these are already full with other people praying.[/B][/QUOTE]/bullshit argument

If they made a machine that designed the perfect bad argument, it would produce roll after roll of paper with Cone's arguments on it

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319581]You are making me absolutely infuriated, it's like someone forgot to teach you how to put together rational thoughts or something WHY should Muslims be victimized for being POTENTIAL VICTIMS? It's just Unfathomable how dumb you are being like, you are turning my world upside down by showing me new levels of human stupidity[/QUOTE] But we're not victimizing them. We're warning them and saying they should be careful, or else they might be attacked by extremists. [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;32319612]If they made a machine that designed the perfect bad argument, it would produce roll after roll of paper with Cone's arguments on it[/QUOTE] Bullshit. Stop your ad hominem, that has nothing to do with this debate.

[QUOTE=faze;32319610]/bullshit argument[/QUOTE] Oh yeah thanks I forgot that

[QUOTE=Cone;32319618]But we're not victimizing them. We're warning them and saying they should be careful, or else they might be attacked by extremists.[/QUOTE] No, France is banning them from exercising religious freedom in public. That's victimization (and discriminatory) because there is currently nothing on the books that says a christian or jew or wiccan can't pray in public.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319635]No, France is banning them from exercising religious freedom in public. That's victimization (and discriminatory) because there is currently nothing on the books that says a [b]christian or jew[/b] or wiccan can't pray in public.[/QUOTE] Maybe because it isn't an issue?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32319601][h2]TO CLARIFY :[/h2] • The law was voted with the help and endorsement of various Muslim spokesmen. • The law bans individual and group prayer on the street. • [b]New mosques will be built so the Muslims will have a place to pray, as the Quran say they should[/b]. In the meantime, municipalities have been offering unused buildings with proper accommodation. • [b]The law is not a way to oppress Muslims.[/b] • The reason of this ban is that Street Prayer is inconvenient and blocks several streets in case of group praying. • [B]Muslims don't pray in their mosques in the first place because these are already full with other people praying.[/B][/QUOTE] [quote]The law bans individual and group prayer on the street[/quote] Sounds like [quote]a way to oppress Muslims[/quote] [quote]The law was voted with the help and endorsement of various Muslim spokesmen.[/quote] Yet [quote]"We are not cattle," he was quoted as saying by France's TF1 News.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319635]No, France is banning them from exercising religious freedom in public. That's victimization (and discriminatory) because there is currently nothing on the books that says a christian or jew or wiccan can't pray in public.[/QUOTE] He can pray because, as I have said, noobody thinks they might be carrying a bomb. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Bigot" - Starpluck))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Cone;32319649]He can pray because, as I have said, noobody thinks they might be carrying a bomb.[/QUOTE] hahahahaa the bad argument machine is still running! and apparently it's the prejudice machine too! Heard it here first folks: Muslims praying outside is an issue because people think they might be carrying a bomb. You bigot.

[QUOTE=lukepker;32319641]Maybe because it isn't an issue?[/QUOTE] Because christophobia or anti-Semitic (which is in itself anti-semitic considering we're talking about Arabs) doesn't exist. [I][B]Victim blaming[/B] Victim blaming occurs when the victim(s) of a crime, an accident, or any type of abusive maltreatment are held entirely or partially responsible for the transgressions committed against them. Blaming the victim has traditionally emerged especially in racist and sexist forms.[/I]

[QUOTE=Cone;32319649]He can pray because, as I have said, noobody thinks they might be carrying a bomb.[/QUOTE]Yeah, no one is going to suspect a Jew or Christian of being strapped with C4.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319659]hahahahaa the bad argument machine is still running! and apparently it's the prejudice machine too![/QUOTE] And some people ask me why I hate Liberals.

Unless these muslims are sitting in the middle of a traffic road I really don't see the problem.

[QUOTE=Contag;32319644]Yet[/QUOTE] You can't satisfy everyone all the time. There still are some butthurt Muslims that are never satisfied. They would have cried too should we have let them pray on the street.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32319659]hahahahaa the bad argument machine is still running! and apparently it's the prejudice machine too![/QUOTE] So you're saying that nobody who's that stupid would ever act on their stupidity? *COUGH* FOX NEWS *COUGH*

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32319675]Unless these muslims are sitting in the middle of a road I really don't see the problem.[/QUOTE] They ARE sitting in the middle of the road.