[QUOTE=sHiBaN;29725725]I personally think that I've wasted cash buying Valve games.
Why? Because of the feeling of being unfinished and unpolished...Team Fortress 2 was just completely trashed from the original game I bought.[/QUOTE]
Really? I've been playing TF2 for amost four years. It's given me way more enjoyment than 20/30 dollars usually gets you.
I honestly feel like I'm stealing or something. :v:
Half Life 3 / Episode 3 whatever. I just hope they'll still make it at this point.
Too little too late
Only hardcore fans, like me really care about Half-Life anymore and even I'm starting to lose interest
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;29723635]You don't want a Valve that puts out [b]high quality[/b], somewhat community created content that makes the gameplay more interesting, creative, and overall exciting, all for free?[/QUOTE]
By high quality you mean the blatant reskins such as jarate becoming mad milk by making the liquid white? Yah, that's high quality all right. Maybe your standards are just unbelievably low.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;29731122]By high quality you mean the blatant reskins such as jarate becoming mad milk by making the liquid white? Yah, that's high quality all right. Maybe your standards are just unbelievably low.[/QUOTE]Mad Milk is a Jarate re-skin what? Its not even the same model, are you saying they can't make more then 1 liquid type weapon.
[editline]9th May 2011[/editline]
Oh and look yet another Valve ITN thread that has devolved into another "lets bash TF2" thread.
Why can't they just fucking release entire full games like Half Life 1 or 2, fuck the episodes, fuck any method they can think of, if ever 4 years they release a massive new game with a new engine, I wouldn't complain.
Team Hat life 3.
My problem is their speed. Its horrible. Companies like Bioware release wonderful new games pretty much every year. And while Valve has released games since Episode 2, two were really just the same game, and one only made one major change over it's predecessor. But by the time we see the next Half-Life game, Bioware will have created at least three Mass Effect games that each dwarf the size and scope of the Half-Life games, and two Dragon Age games that make incredible strides towards that same level of quality as their sister series. From Valve, we've only gotten two almost identical Left 4 Deads and a sequel to Portal. And all three together can barely match any of the previously mentioned Bioware games alone. Valve showed that they can produce great, high-quality games, but they've failed to keep that quality. The games maybe be delightfully fun, but they aren't the same quality as Half-Life and Half-Life 2. I mean, Dejobaan creates small, really fun games but they don't really have a whole lot of quality to them.
And my problem has nothing to do with the store for TF2 or Portal 2 at all. I think those are wonderfully and honestly necessary additions that give the player more power and control over their gaming experience and allow for a fun and inviting way to create personalized characters that a custom skin cannot do. Despite what idiots may say, the weapons and hats were a great addition. And despite what some say, the incredibly overwhelming majority of players support the system and want more from it. There was an incredible demand for the system in Left 4 Dead 2 you know. People want choices, they don't want the same bland appearance and gameplay for three and a half years. They like the freedom offered by systems like MannCo or that in Halo Reach or even Killzone and Call of Duty.
I'm trying to move Valve into the Rockstar-section of my brain, where I don't even remember they exist until they release their next amazing as hell game.
But they've got fucking Steam maaaaaan, I can't forget them.
you know it's the fact that valve is so fucking small is why they aren't selling you day 1 DLC right
even if you're getting your nappies in a twist over their long development cycle, wouldn't you say that's a small price to pay for a company that will constantly give you huge discounts because they aren't owned by money grubbing old wealth dickheads?
[editline]10th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=nikomo;29732797]I'm trying to move Valve into the Rockstar-section of my brain, where I don't even remember they exist until they release their next amazing as hell game.
But they've got fucking Steam maaaaaan, I can't forget them.[/QUOTE]
remember the days before steam, when you couldn't get 20 games for 50 bucks
remember how that sucked
[QUOTE=Zeddy;29732364]My problem is their speed. Its horrible. Companies like Bioware release wonderful new games pretty much every year. [/QUOTE]
Yes but pretty much every game they release is pretty much perfect. With Bioware games I can't go back that often to play it again because the flaws seem so glaring to me. With Valve I can go back again and again and again.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;29732364]My problem is their speed. Its horrible. Companies like Bioware release wonderful new games pretty much every year. And while Valve has released games since Episode 2, two were really just the same game, and one only made one major change over it's predecessor. But by the time we see the next Half-Life game, Bioware will have created at least three Mass Effect games that each dwarf the size and scope of the Half-Life games, and two Dragon Age games that make incredible strides towards that same level of quality as their sister series. From Valve, we've only gotten two almost identical Left 4 Deads and a sequel to Portal. And all three together can barely match any of the previously mentioned Bioware games alone. Valve showed that they can produce great, high-quality games, but they've failed to keep that quality. The games maybe be delightfully fun, but they aren't the same quality as Half-Life and Half-Life 2. I mean, Dejobaan creates small, really fun games but they don't really have a whole lot of quality to them.[/QUOTE]
Well, maybe Valve have kept that quality with the next Half-Life game, although that apart from the Left 4 Dead series (to an extent, it's still good games), I feel that all their games have had a distinct Valve quality to them. While I don't think they have made a bad game, yet, I do agree that the Half-Life series is their best work, with Portal 1 & 2 also up there.
And the reason that it takes so long, I think, while the games still remain somewhat the same, is that they're perfecting it. There is literally not one section of Episode One, Two, Portal, or Portal 2 I can think of, that is bad.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;29722010]So this practically means that they'll be dishing out more half-assed hats and boring updates simply because the mindless majority likes them and most importantly, buys them. A "Get it while it's hot" type of phenomenon.
Fuck that. I want my independent and creative Valve back. The online business (MannCo) is fine though, brilliant actually, it's just that the flow of money can be very misleading as to how they could make their games (like TF2) more easily approachable and fun for everyone.[/QUOTE]
More like making a trillion copies of CoD
[editline]10th May 2011[/editline]
Dude valve quality takes time.
It's their one fucking flaw. give them a break.
HL3 better be pretty fuckin amazing
If it comes out
Sounds like they're implying they'll release one main game and go back to the expansion pack style of releases
[QUOTE=Lizard Of Guilt;29732990]Yes but pretty much every game they release is pretty much perfect. With Bioware games I can't go back that often to play it again because the flaws seem so glaring to me. With Valve I can go back again and again and again.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention bioware makes you pay for your dlc.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29733365]Not to mention bioware makes you pay for your dlc.[/QUOTE]
Their DLC largely sucks, across the board.
Fuck, this means a shitty SP expirience... am I the only person who enjoys a nice 12 hour game?
[QUOTE=Motherfucker;29733149]MDude valve quality takes time.
It's their one fucking flaw. give them a break.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this, which is why I don't like community contributions.
Because Valve quality takes time, but community creations are rarely of Valve quality.
The community's creations are too shallow and over the top, while Valve's creations used to be a lot more thought out to fit both into gameplay and into character. When it came to the cosmetics Valve used to create, their items at least used to take time period, class personalities, class nationalities, and team colors more seriously. It feels like the community just makes extremely exaggerated stereotypes or completely random items. They're misinterpreting the "comical" TF2 theme as "wacky and silly".
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29732948]you know it's the fact that valve is so fucking small is why they aren't selling you day 1 DLC right
even if you're getting your nappies in a twist over their long development cycle, wouldn't you say that's a small price to pay for a company that will constantly give you huge discounts because they aren't owned by money grubbing old wealth dickheads?
[editline]10th May 2011[/editline]
remember the days before steam, when you couldn't get 20 games for 50 bucks
remember how that sucked[/QUOTE]
They're aren't that company any more, and you'll see soon enough.
Secondly publishers set prices on steam, not valve.
Main issue with TF2 is that it became impenetrable to newer users after enough updates. I played when it first came out and recently I got a good enough computer that I could play it more but everybody else has dozens of weapons that I'm unfamiliar with and can't react to at all. The density of shit in TF2 makes the learning curve impossibly steep. Although I guess a lot of multiplayer shooters are like that just because the average skill level of users only goes up over time and newer players just get hosed.
[QUOTE=Wii60;29721713]So, No Episode 3? :psyduck:[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=27X;29734483]They're aren't that company any more, and you'll see soon enough.
Secondly publishers set prices on steam, not valve.[/QUOTE]
did they go through a massive upsizing that was neither spoken of nor published?
no?
then stop pulling shit out of your ass
I don't think some of you understand what Gabe is saying
[quote]“Left 4 Dead is starting to approach the Team Fortress 2 cycle,” he added.[/quote]
Read that.
Now compare TF2 and Left 4 dead, then think about what is mentioned. TF2 gets hats, weapons and other stuff because majority community demands it, and in L4D, it gets new campaigns, heck, No Mercy is in L4D2, which was pretty sweet.
What Gabe said is that they're going to use feedback to make their games so that they can satisfy them.
This does not mean hats or half assed games. TF2 is different from HL. TF2 is a casual multi-player game while HL is a single-player game with a serious story and actual characters. Maybe people who play TF2 and HL will not want hats in HL.
What they will most likely do is use feedback from previous HL games and maybe use some from, say L4D, perhaps maybe portal 2 co-op(they may include co-op to the next HL for all we could know). They will release a full game, then release free updates and comics, perhaps extended campaign, or extra content, like an alternate Gordon skin that makes him look like the HL1 gordon with a bit of a revamp, which can be unlocked via achievements hopefully.
[editline]10th May 2011[/editline]
I'm probably gonna get boxed :ninja:
If I see one more post making fun of Ricochet I am going to castrate myself with a hatchet. Go away, I had tons of fun times with that game when it was released with HL1 as a mod on LAN.
In other words: Less games, more hats.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;29732364]My problem is their speed. Its horrible. Companies like Bioware release wonderful new games pretty much every year. And while Valve has released games since Episode 2, two were really just the same game, and one only made one major change over it's predecessor. But by the time we see the next Half-Life game, Bioware will have created at least three Mass Effect games that each dwarf the size and scope of the Half-Life games, and two Dragon Age games that make incredible strides towards that same level of quality as their sister series. From Valve, we've only gotten two almost identical Left 4 Deads and a sequel to Portal. And all three together can barely match any of the previously mentioned Bioware games alone. Valve showed that they can produce great, high-quality games, but they've failed to keep that quality. The games maybe be delightfully fun, but they aren't the same quality as Half-Life and Half-Life 2. I mean, Dejobaan creates small, really fun games but they don't really have a whole lot of quality to them.
.[/QUOTE]
Well. With Bioware you can also see just how much of the game they didn't get around to doing because EA pushes for annual releases from the company. There's a lot of cut content in Mass Effect 2 and the whole third act in DA2 was obviously trimmed to release on time. The plot for the third act would be more like the former chapters instead of descending into action movie by Uwe Boll. Valve actually get to get everyting done that they intended to. Bioware doesn't get to do that. Hence the DA2 hate, Hence the ME2 hate back then. Tell me again why Valves model is shit?
[quote]The idea is to obtain as much feedback from the community as possible, and in return build entertainment that capitalises on their tastes.[/quote]
I believe I speak for the 30+ million users of steam when I say the following words:
WE WANT EPISODE 3 NOW
Now that Episode 3 is never coming out, lets play Left 4 Hat (You must escape the endless hat horde)
[QUOTE=Agent_Wesker;29737376]Now that Episode 3 is never coming out, lets play Left 4 Hat (You must escape the endless hat horde)[/QUOTE]
without loosing your hat!
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