• 200 Missouri High Schoolers Walk Out Because Trans Student Wants to Use Girls’ Bathroom
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[QUOTE=Lium;48602519]We have clear divisions between genders for good reasons, and removing these barriers for the sake of making some people who have decided they don't want to adhere to them happier is sheer madness. [/QUOTE] I agree with this. There's no need to cater to every single gender identity that exists. There would be so much problems if everyone feels the need to become a special little snowflake. Women would be uncomfortable with a man in the bathroom they is utilizing. It's not a difficult concept to wrap your head around. Why is there so much emphasis on political correctness today? Whatever happened to common sense? If you have a dick, get into the bathroom designed for people with dicks. If you have a vagina, get into the other one. How the hell is this bigoted???? You don't have to feel so damn oppressed and offended, you're just gonna pee for god's sake. If you're worried about people mocking you because of your appearance/behavior it's gonna happen either way. There are female assholes, and male assholes. I have nothing against the LGBT community, and I even support things like gay marriage, but gosh, all this yapping for this.
Just make every bathroom gender neutral. All toilets/urinals are in stalls. No nudity outside the stalls. If a predator gets in there maybe have a button to press to call school security or something. Do the same with locker rooms, showers are all stalls, change into your underwear in the stall too, no nudity outside of the stall. This way, nobody is forced to be uncomfortable around the opposite gender, and nobody feels like they're in the wrong bathroom. The only issue is the logistics of changing all restrooms to be gender neutral.
Remember people, this is about locker rooms, not bathrooms. So you can't really just make it gender neutral unless you want high schools girls and boys changing/showering in the same space.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48603229]Remember people, this is about locker rooms, not bathrooms. So you can't really just make it gender neutral unless you want high schools girls and boys changing/showering in the same space.[/QUOTE] To be honest, I don't understand the terrible things about the whole "Everyone is using the showers, how terrible!" thing. Things like public baths never had those problems in my experience.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48603229]you want high schools girls and boys changing/showering in the same space.[/QUOTE] Whats bad about this anyway?
[QUOTE=sgman91;48602122]This is personally where my disconnect comes in. Personally, I would be WAY more comfortable using the opposite sex's locker room than using one that I knew made other people uncomfortable. There's not some boogie man magic floating in the air of one locker room over another that should make anyone uncomfortable. Based on personal experience, the sexual aspect is the key factor to being uncomfortable in the other sex's bathroom, but if you take that out, then I really don't know why it would be uncomfortable.[/QUOTE] Have you ever had locker room bullies fuck with you? Trans people get that all the time.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48603315]Have you ever had locker room bullies fuck with you? Trans people get that all the time.[/QUOTE] I agree, that's a problem, but it's a different issue than the one I responded to. It's also not a reason to use the girls locker room. They already successfully solved that issue by having them use a different bathroom to change in. I would also have no argument against punishment for bullies of anyone, including trans individuals.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48603350]I agree, that's a problem, but it's a different issue than the one I responded to. It's also not a reason to use the girls locker room. They already successfully solved that issue by having them use a different bathroom to change in. I would also have no argument against punishment for bullies of anyone, including trans individuals.[/QUOTE] They are still more likely to be openly bullied in male locker rooms. It's easy enough to prevent it.
[QUOTE=gufu;48603360]They are still more likely to be openly bullied in male locker rooms. It's easy enough to prevent it.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what you're arguing against. I have no problem with them being allowed to use a faculty bathroom to change in. That point just has nothing to do with using the girls locker room.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48603366]I'm not sure what you're arguing against. I have no problem with them being allowed to use a faculty bathroom to change in. That point just has nothing to do with using the girls locker room.[/QUOTE] Why not?
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[QUOTE=gufu;48603372]Why not?[/QUOTE] ... because using a faculty bathroom completely solves it without adding more problems? They're more likely to be bullied in the girl's locker room than they are in a faculty bathroom. So if that's the issue, then the faculty bathroom is an even better solution.
[QUOTE=Rainboo;48603218]I agree with this. There's no need to cater to every single gender identity that exists. There would be so much problems if everyone feels the need to become a special little snowflake. Women would be uncomfortable with a man in the bathroom she is utilizing. It's not a difficult concept to wrap your head around. Why is there so much emphasis on political correctness today? Whatever happened to common sense? If you have a dick, get into the bathroom designed for people with dicks. If you have a vagina, get into the other one. How the hell is this bigoted???? You don't have to feel so damn oppressed and offended, you're just gonna pee for god's sake. If you're worried about people mocking you because of your appearance/behavior it's gonna happen either way. There are female assholes, and male assholes. I have nothing against the LGBT community, and I even support things like gay marriage, but gosh, all this yapping for this.[/QUOTE] I agree with this 100%, if you have a dick go to the mens restroom, if you have a vagina go to the females. You can tell people you're a girl all you want but at the end of the day you were born with a dick/vagina and thats it really. [QUOTE=SleepyAl;48603225]Just make every bathroom gender neutral. All toilets/urinals are in stalls. No nudity outside the stalls. If a predator gets in there maybe have a button to press to call school security or something. Do the same with locker rooms, showers are all stalls, change into your underwear in the stall too, no nudity outside of the stall. This way, nobody is forced to be uncomfortable around the opposite gender, and nobody feels like they're in the wrong bathroom. The only issue is the logistics of changing all restrooms to be gender neutral.[/QUOTE] This is also a good idea
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[QUOTE=Cmx;48602408]Why should 200 deal with it when just because one person cant and wants special treatment? Like Spock once said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"[/QUOTE] Which is why we should ban same-sex marriage, because the number of people who don't like gay marriage outweighs the number of people who will get married to the same sex. You're ignoring the magnitude and type of uncomfort. Trans people who get put in their original sex's bathroom directly feel like they don't belong and will likely get harassed. People who don't like trans people being in their bathroom have to deal with the concept of a trans person being in their vicinity and nothing else, because if you're seeing someone else's genitalia in a bathroom, you're doing something wrong. Also, if the trans person is making any effort to present themselves as their gender, then, get this, [B]people will still be uncomfortable with them in the other bathroom[/B]. Let me reiterate this. People uncomfortable with trans people [U][B]will share a bathroom with people they're uncomfortable with regardless of which category of trans people goes where.[/B][/U] Trans women allowed to go in the women's bathroom? "Ew, a guy is pretending to be a girl and is in our bathroom." Trans women forced to go in the men's bathroom, and thus trans men forced to go in the women's bathroom? "Ew, someone who looks like a man is in our bathroom." [QUOTE=Rainboo;48603218]I agree with this. There's no need to cater to every single gender identity that exists. There would be so much problems if everyone feels the need to become a special little snowflake. Women would be uncomfortable with a man in the bathroom she is utilizing. It's not a difficult concept to wrap your head around. Why is there so much emphasis on political correctness today? Whatever happened to common sense? If you have a dick, get into the bathroom designed for people with dicks. If you have a vagina, get into the other one. How the hell is this bigoted???? You don't have to feel so damn oppressed and offended, you're just gonna pee for god's sake. If you're worried about people mocking you because of your appearance/behavior it's gonna happen either way. There are female assholes, and male assholes. I have nothing against the LGBT community, and I even support things like gay marriage, but gosh, all this yapping for this.[/QUOTE] I don't know what kind of toilets you've been using, but the average toilet is not form fitting. Either gender can use them. Sure, there are urinals in the men's bathrooms, but it's not like they [I]only[/I] have urinals.
[QUOTE=lyna;48603389]I agree with this 100%, if you have a dick go to the mens restroom, if you have a vagina go to the females. You can tell people you're a girl all you want but at the end of the day you were born with a dick/vagina and thats it really.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48602576] [img]http://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Michael-Hughes.jpg[/img] [/QUOTE] As you can see, it's not that simple. Dicks/vaginas do not define a person, especially since they are mostly hidden from everyone else.
[QUOTE=Lium;48602519] You're right, of course. But I'm against this for logical reasons, not simple bigotry. The fact of the matter is that this person is, in the only [I]important[/I] aspect, a man. We have clear divisions between genders for good reasons, and removing these barriers for the sake of making some people who have decided they don't want to adhere to them happier is sheer madness. [/QUOTE] So how do you go about your day to day life? Do you insist on doing a patdown on everybody's crotch before referring to them as Him or Her, seeing as it's after all, the "only [I]important[/I] aspect" in gender identity? And "Decided"? Sorry, that's wrong.
[QUOTE=gufu;48603406]As you can see, it's not that simple. Dicks/vaginas do not define a person, especially since they are mostly hidden from everyone else.[/QUOTE] You do have a good point shit's complicated if you only let passing people use their "real" bathroom, then all the non passing traps get butthurt. but if you let non passing traps use their "real" bathroom, then normal people get butthurt. I think having one unisex bathroom as outlined above is pretty much the only solution here.
[QUOTE=lyna;48603440]You do have a good point shit's complicated if you only let passing people use their "real" bathroom, then all the non passing traps get butthurt. but if you let non passing traps use their "real" bathroom, then normal people get butthurt. I think having one unisex bathroom as outlined above is pretty much the only solution here.[/QUOTE] Please don't refer to trans people as traps. There are a lot of people who find the term really rude (you know, seeing how it implies that trans people are doing it to trick others into having sex with them...).
in the context of this thread I can't see how anyone even remotely connected to reality could think that it "doesn't matter" who uses what locker-room [QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48603454]Please don't refer to trans people as traps. There are a lot of people who find the term really rude (you know, seeing how it implies that trans people are doing it to trick others into having sex with them...).[/QUOTE] does he now have to write a 500 word essay
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[QUOTE=Monkah;48603466]in the context of this thread I can't see how anyone even remotely connected to reality could think that it "doesn't matter" who uses what locker-room[/QUOTE] Apparently we exist in different realities, then. Because there really isn't a real reason.
It's a societal issue more than anything else. Many people aren't yet at the point where they feel comfortable with sharing bathrooms/locker rooms/etc with people that were assigned the opposite sex. It wouldn't be hard to imagine a girl that wouldn't be comfortable sharing a private space like that with a male that identifies as a female. You can't really just tell them to shut the fuck up and deal with it and expect them to sit down quietly. Shit like this takes time. LGBT issues only just started taking the main stage these past 5 years or so, it wasn't something you'd hear about on the news very often before that. At least not in the United States anyways.
[QUOTE=Judas;48601531]yep[/QUOTE] This is my home state. Thanks. Stop making (implied) generalizations.
[QUOTE=Monkah;48603466]in the context of this thread I can't see how anyone even remotely connected to reality could think that it "doesn't matter" who uses what locker-room does he now have to write a 500 word essay[/QUOTE] Not present: "And here's why...."
[QUOTE=D0C H.;48601690]I'm sorry but I don't agree that just because you feel like you're a different gender, you get to go into private places. How about I decide that I'm a female.... But I th I'll only feel female when I'm at a woman's volley ball game and go ahead and use their locker room. Since I "feel" I'm a female, it's all cool right?[/QUOTE] It literally doesn't work like that. Take a random girl, any random girl that you know of. Send her to the boy's locker room, and tell her she has to use it. That's what this trans student is going through, what that girl would be going through. Stop treating transgenderism like some trivial matter that you "feel" a gender. [editline]2nd September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=D0C H.;48602299]I do suppose that makes sense. To me gender=genitalia. Although that's just linguistics. To me, it doesn't make a lick of sense. But again, I don't really care about what gender people feel. It's personal choice. Just don't impose on other people's life's and I don't care.[/QUOTE] It's not linguistics, because that's objectively wrong. Sex is genitalia, gender is psyochological/social.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;48603829]It literally doesn't work like that. Take a random girl, any random girl that you know of. Send her to the boy's locker room, and tell her she has to use it. That's what this trans student is going through, what that girl would be going through.[/QUOTE] It really isn't the same at all. The worst part about sending a girl into a boys locker room would be the sexual nature of a girl having to take her clothes off with a bunch of guys around her. Take away the sexual awkwardness, and it really isn't a big deal.
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48603454][QUOTE=lyna;48603440]You do have a good point shit's complicated if you only let passing people use their "real" bathroom, then all the non passing traps get butthurt. but if you let non passing traps use their "real" bathroom, then normal people get butthurt. I think having one unisex bathroom as outlined above is pretty much the only solution here.[/QUOTE]Please don't refer to trans people as traps. There are a lot of people who find the term really rude (you know, seeing how it implies that trans people are doing it to trick others into having sex with them...).[/QUOTE] It's also wrong. "Traps" is a man, ie, their gender is a man, who looks convincingly like a girl. Keypoint here is that a trap is still a man, in sex and gender. A transgirl is not. [editline]2nd September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;48603843]It really isn't the same at all. The worst part about sending a girl into a boys locker room is the sexual nature of a girl having to take her clothes off with a bunch of guys around her. Take away the sexual awkwardness, and it really isn't a big deal.[/QUOTE] ...Which is what this trans girl would have to do. She's a girl having to take her clothes off with a bunch of guys around her. If you're going to pull the "they'll be sexually attracted to" argumentt, then okay then, a girl that they wouldn't be sexually attracted to. Point still stands. They're sending a girl to the boy's locker room, plain and simple.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;48603852]...Which is what this trans girl would have to do. She's a girl having to take her clothes off with a bunch of guys around her.[/QUOTE] You're missing the point. The guys in the locker room would not be sexual attracted to the trans girl, especially when she still looks and sounds like a man. It's really not comparable.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48603863]You're missing the point. The guys in the locker room would not be sexual attracted to the trans girl, especially when she still looks and sounds like a man. It's really not comparable.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=LegndNikko;48603852]If you're going to pull the "they might sexually harass her" argument, then okay then, a girl that they wouldn't want to sexually harass. Point still stands. They're sending a girl to the boy's locker room, plain and simple.[/QUOTE] Thanks for ignoring half of my post.
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