Greek Referendum voting has closed, preliminary results show 60% voting for No - Polidicks

[QUOTE=The fox;48127956]Not really, it'll be really cheap for a while to tourist in Greece, thusly their economy will slowly, but surely, start to get back onto it's own feet, without the greedy fucks wanting nothing more than to screw over the country in Brussels. I really hope this will lead to a Greece exit out of EU, and that the cards start falling with that.[/QUOTE] If a Grexit happens, then it makes a Brexit more likely (which in my opinion would be a shame), but don't forget that a lot of EU countries... actually do cooperate with each other. I can't imagine the EU would collapse because two of its least contributing members left.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48128269]If a Grexit happens, then it makes a Brexit more likely (which in my opinion would be a shame), but don't forget that a lot of EU countries... actually do cooperate with each other. I can't imagine the EU would collapse because two of its least contributing members left.[/QUOTE] Greece leaving the EU will have little to no bearing on whether or not UK leaves the EU. The two economies are worlds apart.

[QUOTE=The fox;48127956]Not really, it'll be really cheap for a while to tourist in Greece, thusly their economy will slowly, but surely, start to get back onto it's own feet, without the greedy fucks wanting nothing more than to screw over the country in Brussels. I really hope this will lead to a Greece exit out of EU, and that the cards start falling with that.[/QUOTE] Wow...Euro-sceptics truly are some of the most delusional people on the planet. Even Alex Jones is embarrassed for you. Why in the almighty FUCK would people want to actively holiday in a country with little to no economy? Going to truly remote places in the African continent (for example) is usually to explore a culture and environment that is impossibly different, and these are normally fully organised for that reason. Greece is not this and with no real economy how are places going to actually prop up their tourism industry? Hotels, restaurants, transport, etc. requires money to operate after all.

Does this mean the 500 drachma coin I kept as a souvenir will soon be legal tender again?

[QUOTE=Scot;48128315]Does this mean the 500 drachma coin I kept as a souvenir will soon be legal tender again?[/QUOTE] Personally I'd be waiting for the 500 billion drachma coin.

[QUOTE=Scot;48128315]Does this mean the 500 drachma coin I kept as a souvenir will soon be legal tender again?[/QUOTE] Well not yet but soon you could possibly buy a piece of gum with it. You'll need a few more 500 drachma coins though. Maybe like 10 or so.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48128269]If a Grexit happens, then it makes a Brexit more likely (which in my opinion would be a shame), but don't forget that a lot of EU countries... actually do cooperate with each other. I can't imagine the EU would collapse because two of its least contributing members left.[/QUOTE] Grexit is about EZ, not EU

[img]http://i.imgur.com/KfkfzKr.png[/img] VICTORY HAS WON. Source: [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-33400127]BBC[/url]

I'm thinking if they didn't do a referendum there would have been a lot of trouble and riots. Situation in Ukraine could have been avoided by having a "Join EU or not" referendum.

[QUOTE=The fox;48127956]Not really, it'll be really cheap for a while to tourist in Greece, thusly their economy will slowly, but surely, start to get back onto it's own feet, without the greedy fucks wanting nothing more than to screw over the country in Brussels. I really hope this will lead to a Greece exit out of EU, and that the cards start falling with that.[/QUOTE] "Greece leaving EU will help their tourism" Man I know you are always out of the bowl but this is absolutely insane

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48128442]"Greece leaving EU will help their tourism" Man I know you are always out of the bowl but this is absolutely insane[/QUOTE] We won't leave the EU [QUOTE=DrTaxi;48128390][img]http://i.imgur.com/KfkfzKr.png[/img] VICTORY HAS WON. Source: [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-33400127]BBC[/url][/QUOTE] Dat translation.

[QUOTE=i_speel_good;48128456]We won't leave the EU[/QUOTE] I wouldn't believe it for a second but I am pointing out that The Fox is just crazy with his irrational EU hateboner

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48128442]"Greece leaving EU will help their tourism" Man I know you are always out of the bowl but this is absolutely insane[/QUOTE] Should be pretty self explanatory, but perhaps not for someone like yourself. When they will be forced to split from the Euro, they will make their own currency, thusly, it will be cheap as hell for export and tourism. Simplified a lot, but thats the general gist of it. More than welcome to prove me wrong, or are you just gonna sit and spout stupid shit like you always do? As for Grexit: [quote]German EP Vice President @lambsdorff: "Chancellor Merkel and others must now organize Grexit"[/quote] [url]https://twitter.com/mathieuvonrohr/status/617780974949146624[/url]

[QUOTE=The fox;48128467]Should be pretty self explanatory, but perhaps not for someone like yourself. When they will be forced to split from the Euro, they will make their own currency, thusly, it will be cheap as hell for export and tourism. Simplified a lot, but thats the general gist of it. More than welcome to prove me wrong, or are you just gonna sit and spout stupid shit like you always do?[/QUOTE] Firstly their currency is tied to Eurozone, not EU. Leaving Eurozone might still make some degree of sense, leaving EU doesn't whatosever. Secondly, your tourism idea is a misguided one anyway. Cheap tourist destinations attract poor tourists. The tourists who spend actual real cash without expediting much in terms of resources the populace itself relies on (food by volume, transportation, living space), who are the tourists you want for improving your economy, will never consider going to a bankrupt shithole with low standard of living, high rate of criminality (which you can bet sure as fuck Grexit would cause) and general stench of poorness and cheapness.

[QUOTE=The fox;48128467]When they will be forced to split from the Euro, they will make their own currency, thusly, it will be cheap as hell for export and tourism. Simplified a lot, but thats the general gist of it.[/QUOTE] What is this assumption based on? You're the one bringing the positive claim, it's up to you to substantiate that with evidence. Please, do go on. Explain to us precisely how a country that is super in debt, but is refusing to actually do [B]anything[/B] to alleviate that debt except blame the EU bogeyman is going to gain the trust of the rest of the world once they move to this new mystery currency. You can't trade if nobody trusts you to not fuck that up. tourism isn't enough to save a country.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48128495]Firstly their currency is tied to Eurozone, not EU. Leaving Eurozone might still make some degree of sense, leaving EU doesn't whatosever.[/quote] Greece will be forced to leave the EU, it will be the best for everyone, and especially Greece. [quote] Secondly, your tourism idea is a misguided one anyway. Cheap tourist destinations attract poor tourists. The tourists who spend actual real cash without expediting much in terms of resources the populace itself relies on (food by volume, transportation, living space), who are the tourists you want for improving your economy, will never consider going to a bankrupt shithole with low standard of living, high rate of criminality (which you can bet sure as fuck Grexit would cause) and general stench of poorness and cheapness.[/QUOTE] More than welcome to provide some proof of your claim. I know several people who don't mind travelling to less-than-well nations, even though they aren't poor. [QUOTE=hexpunK;48128504]What is this assumption based on? You're the one bringing the positive claim, it's up to you to substantiate that with evidence. Please, do go on. Explain to us precisely how a country that is super in debt, but is refusing to actually do [B]anything[/B] to alleviate that debt except blame the EU bogeyman is going to gain the trust of the rest of the world once they move to this new mystery currency.[/quote] Where did I state that only tourism would be the one thing to save Greece?

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48128495]Cheap tourist destinations attract poor tourists. The tourists who spend actual real cash without expediting much in terms of resources the populace itself relies on (food by volume, transportation, living space), who are the tourists you want for improving your economy, will never consider going to a bankrupt shithole with low standard of living, high rate of criminality (which you can bet sure as fuck Grexit would cause) and general stench of poorness and cheapness.[/QUOTE] To expand on this. Greece would maybe attract backpackers if they were to go through with this. Backpackers don't need massive amounts of infrastructure, they need a hostel to crash in every night, somewhere to get any kind of food and that's it. They are nowhere near a good source of income. [editline]5th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=The fox;48128510]Where did I state that only tourism would be the one thing to save Greece?[/QUOTE] idk you seem pretty fucking fixated on it. But that's just ignoring the rest of my point. How can a country initiate trade when that country firstly has made a name for itself after fucking up this hard, and secondly doesn't actually trade too much as it is compared to others?

[QUOTE=The fox;48128510]Greece will be forced to leave the EU, it will be the best for everyone, and especially Greece. [/quote] Leaving EU would mean most likely leaving Shengen and that's the very worst thing they could do for their tourism, period. [quote] More than welcome to provide some proof of your claim. I know several people who don't mind travelling to less-than-well nations, even though they aren't poor.[/QUOTE] If your theory worked then for instance Croatia, south of Ukraine, Egypt, all of these countries would be blossoming paradises. Being a cheap tourism destination isn't going to save your economy.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48128515] idk you seem pretty fucking fixated on it. But that's just ignoring the rest of my point. How can a country initiate trade when that country firstly has made a name for itself after fucking up this hard, and secondly doesn't actually trade too much as it is compared to others?[/QUOTE] I have mentioned it once, you're the one fixating on it. As I also mentioned, export will become cheap as fuck during the first period of a newly introduced currency, thusly, nations, perhaps not the EU but Russia/China, will gladly work with them. [url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/01/04/germany-mistakenly-believes-the-euro-could-survive-greek-exit/[/url] - Projected GDP growth to 5 - 10% after 12 months for several years. [quote]So, what then happens if Greece does follow what most economists should be the standard solution to the country’s problems? Greece leaves the euro, the banks fail (likely, if not entirely certain) and then? Sure, the first 12 months will be pretty hairy but our standard solution then predicts that we would see significant and sustained growth in the Greek economy. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see several years of growth in the 5-10% of GDP sort of range.[/quote] EDIT: And as I figured, Awesomecaek just goes back to spouting bullshit instead of discussing like a adult. I see no point continuing this childish nonsense.

[QUOTE=The fox;48128534]I have mentioned it once, you're the one fixating on it. As I also mentioned, export will become cheap as fuck during the first period of a newly introduced currency, thusly, nations, perhaps not the EU but Russia/China, will gladly work with them.[/QUOTE] HOW TO SAVE YOUR ECONOMY BY The Fox: 1) Piss off Europe 2) Get bought out by Russia and China 3) Unknown development 4) Capital Gains

[QUOTE=The fox;48128467]Should be pretty self explanatory, but perhaps not for someone like yourself. When they will be forced to split from the Euro, they will make their own currency, thusly, it will be cheap as hell for export and tourism. Simplified a lot, but thats the general gist of it. More than welcome to prove me wrong, or are you just gonna sit and spout stupid shit like you always do? As for Grexit: [URL]https://twitter.com/mathieuvonrohr/status/617780974949146624[/URL][/QUOTE] the economy is an extremely complex issue and you're acting like this simple, unspecific method is going to save Greece and improve Europe in general lol really, tourism and disbanding? that's what you believe in? edit: at least, try

[QUOTE=The fox;48128534]I have mentioned it once, you're the one fixating on it. As I also mentioned, export will become cheap as fuck during the first period of a newly introduced currency, thusly, nations, perhaps not the EU but Russia/China, will gladly work with them. [url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/01/04/germany-mistakenly-believes-the-euro-could-survive-greek-exit/[/url] - Projected GDP to 5 - 10% after 12 months for several years.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=The fox;48127956]Not really, [B]it'll be really cheap for a while to tourist in Greece,[/B] thusly their economy will slowly, but surely, start to get back onto it's own feet, without the greedy fucks wanting nothing more than to screw over the country in Brussels. I really hope this will lead to a Greece exit out of EU, and that the cards start falling with that.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=The fox;48128467]Should be pretty self explanatory, but perhaps not for someone like yourself. When they will be forced to split from the Euro, they will make their own currency, thusly, it will be cheap as hell for export and [B]tourism[/B]. Simplified a lot, but thats the general gist of it. More than welcome to prove me wrong, or are you just gonna sit and spout stupid shit like you always do? As for Grexit: [url]https://twitter.com/mathieuvonrohr/status/617780974949146624[/url][/QUOTE] "once" And why would Russia and China want to trade with Greece? Why would Greece want to trade with Russia and China? What do they actually provide each other? What happens if Greece fucks it all up once again (they have no backing should Grexit actually occur remember, if they fail there they fail completely). To initiate trade both partners generally want to be sure that their partner in trading is actually competent and unlikely to fold. After all of this, Greece has a lot of work to do to prove it won't fuck up again, possibly a lot more than a single country with no economic benefactors can actually do. You're bringing a lot of claims to the table here based on nothing but assumption and conjecture. What hard evidence is there that Greece would actually survive leaving the EuroZone past the first few years? Greece doesn't really do much as is.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;48127975]the Greeks fucked themselves over and now they want Europe to make sacrifices for them if Portugal made it out, Greece can make it out if they make their own sacrifices, just as we did alongside the EU, not against it[/QUOTE] What exactly did Portugal do to avoid falling into the same situation as Greece? If they had to sell government assets I imagine that wouldnt be very good in the long term. But since our media in the US doesnt cover this I'd much appreciate some explanation.

Referendums like this are pretty dumb because the average voter in Greece knows jackshit about economics. And leaving the EU will crash the economy and do you really think that China or Russia will invest in a country that will not spend that money in the right places and/or has little to nothing for China/Russia to gain from them. Oh well, I really dont care cause I don't think it will make much of a difference for Europe in its whole. But you are a fool to believe that leaving the EU will be good for Greece, it wont fucking solve the internal problems and you will just have a nation that has no support in its economy fail over and over because of corrupt government officials.

Greece doesn't survive inside or outside the Eurozone anyways.

[QUOTE=Xmeagol;48128089]you can't really compare the two we only care about football and social status[/QUOTE] We should quit the euro and make a new coin, the ronaldo!

[QUOTE=Jackald;48128650]If Greece leaves, it's more likely we'll leave too.[/QUOTE] This, people are already skeptical of the EU. Greece leaving would be the perfect way to convince people the EU was failing, I really hope they don't leave.

[QUOTE=Jackald;48128650]If Greece leaves, it's more likely we'll leave too.[/QUOTE] Or maybe less likely because there will be one less country perceived to be "leeching" off UK And the economical death spiral Greece will go through, as much as it's inevitable be it in EU or out of it, might scare some people away from leaving, further.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48128309]Wow...Euro-sceptics truly are some of the most delusional people on the planet. Even Alex Jones is embarrassed for you. Why in the almighty FUCK would people want to actively holiday in a country with little to no economy? Going to truly remote places in the African continent (for example) is usually to explore a culture and environment that is impossibly different, and these are normally fully organised for that reason. Greece is not this and with no real economy how are places going to actually prop up their tourism industry? Hotels, restaurants, transport, etc. requires money to operate after all.[/QUOTE] I was in greece a few days ago (for work). Life still goes on normally. You are 100% fine to holiday there. If anything it helps the greeks.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48128337]Personally I'd be waiting for the 500 billion drachma coin.[/QUOTE] [t]http://skepticism-images.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/images/jreviews/Gustav-Stresemann-1929.jpg[/t] you have been visited by Gustav Stresemann of the Weimar Republic economic recovery and deflation will come to you but only if you comment "thanks reichsbank"