Venezuela jails 100 bourgeois capitalist parasites in crackdown on price-gouging - Polidicks

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;42881808]The amount of people supporting mass murder as a means to an end should surprise you.[/QUOTE] It is self-defense to lynch factory owners for not bowing down to a violent revolution, but if that factory owner were to try and defend himself, why, that's just more bourgeois oppression.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;42879236][I]yes i'm actually willing to bet that just by the fact you spent a lot of money on books about fucking socialism. [U]lemme guess you also have a che guevara shirt and you wear it non ironically? or a green cap with a red star on it? do you sometimes wish you had a cigar or a pipe to smoke on so you're seen as more legit in socialist cliques?[/U][/I] in a previous post you named something like [del]15 different examples of the type of socialism you want and you said they are successful[/del], [highlight]yet only one of them actually exists anymore and it's chiapas and it exists because the mexican government allows it to[/highlight]. [del]about four fifths of the examples you gave rise during wartime or during revolutions unrelated to them, they are what happens in times of need, people need government and when the government they had fails they prefer some organization to absolute chaos, hence why you never see somebody really advocating a total lack of law or rules[/del]. if you really think about it the paris commune had barely any other choice but to accept the rudimentary organization of anarchists rather than fall in total chaos after the defeat of France in the Franco Prussian war. [highlight]same story repeats for most of the shit you mentioned.[/highlight][/QUOTE] So are you going to start arguing about my points now? Because in this post you: [I]personally attack me[/I] [U]strawman[/U] [del]probably incorrectly rephrase something I said, if not then I'm not even sure why you're arguing this[/del] [highlight]rehashed the same argument I responded to already in this thread and which you have not responded to[/highlight]

[QUOTE=catchall;42881114]yes[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=catchall;42881043]youre a fucking sociopath [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42876819]he's not an anarchist though. as an anarchist i would know ;) but he's right. if you want a general response to maduro from the left that includes both the authoritarian and libertarian leftists, then maduro is too far from socialism to get any praise or sympathy from any of "us"(although i don't personally want to be associated with authoritarian leftists more than i have to be).[/QUOTE] are you satire

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42880978] when the cops move in.[/QUOTE] Because killing cops solves everything? Are you a citizen sovereign?

[QUOTE]The successor to the late Hugo Chavez also said his government was preparing a law to limit Venezuelan businesses' profits to between 15 percent and 30 percent.[/QUOTE] In addition to your own, make 5 mailbox companies and have all the goods you buy legally go through each of them. Oh look suddenly the law does nothing except punish those who don't exploit it.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];42878612']Oh come the fuck on. Here, let me show you my list of references that I have sitting on my bookshelf: The Wobblies, 1999 Patrick Renshaw The S Word, 2011 John Nichols Anarcho-Syndicalism, 1938 Rudolf Rocker* An Unfinished Revolution, 2011 Robin Blackburn Capital Vol 1, Marx* 1917: Russia's Year of Revolution, Roy Bainton The Essential Karl Marx, Viking Portable Library* Comrades!, Robert Service The Red Flag, David Priestland Anarchism, David Guerin* Capital Vol 2, Marx* State and revoltuion, V.I. Lenin* What is to be Done?, V.I. Lenin* Bukharin and the Bolshevik Revolution, Stephen Cohen The crimes of Stalin, Nigel cawthorne Leon Trotsky, Ronald Segal Vision on Fire, David Porter* The Idea of Communism, Zizek and Douzinas* Trotsky, Rick Geary Trotsky and Marxism, Tariq Ali Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, V.I. Lenin* Further, here's my digital library: History of the Makhnovist Movement, Peter Arshinov* The Unknown Revolution, Volin* Gramsci and Globalization, William Robinson The Russian Tragedy, Alexander Berkman* Homage to Catalonia, Orwell* *Primary sources or contain primary sources in leftist theory Plus I've read shitloads more that I don't own a copy of. And you're here trying to tell me, by extension from yawmwen, that we aren't correctly defining socialism?[/QUOTE] You know I eat octopus three times a day. I got fucking octopus coming out of my fucking ears man.

I just realized the thread title wasn't meant as satire.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;42876708]Are you implying that it's okay he's authoritarian?[/QUOTE] Are you implying that socialists give a fuck about moral and ethics? When people will understand for fucks sake that for a socialist, nothing is more important than taking down the capitalist system. Moral and ethic for them are a construct made by the upper classes just to stay in power.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42882680]Because killing cops solves everything? Are you a citizen sovereign?[/QUOTE] doesn't solve everything, but you can prevent them from destroying you. [editline]16th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=wewt!;42881281] I'm interested why are you talking about comunism and not socialism, the latter is clearly a more reasonable topic as it doesn't have historical connotations of genocide and shit. I mean, you can make the connection between scientific socialism and communism as it was based on it and get back to the mass murders but it's a bit more contrived.[/QUOTE] im an "anarcho-communist" so any posts about socialism in general are going to be made from that perspective. [editline]16th November 2013[/editline] also sovereign citizens are like ancappers "i want to keep my white male rich privilege without paying taxes"

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42884859]also sovereign citizens are like ancappers "i want to keep my white male rich privilege without paying taxes"[/QUOTE] At this point I'm convinced you're just Janet Napolitano trolling in your free time.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;42885058]At this point I'm convinced you're just Janet Napolitano trolling in your free time.[/QUOTE] are you an ancapper eudoxia? do you have something you wanna share with the rest of the class?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42884859]im an "anarcho-communist" so any posts about socialism in general are going to be made from that perspective.[/QUOTE] What exactly is an anarcho-communist?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42884859]also sovereign citizens are like ancappers "i want to keep my white male rich privilege without paying taxes"[/QUOTE] well yes it's their privilege to do that

[QUOTE=wewt!;42885238]What exactly is an anarcho-communist?[/QUOTE] a communist anarchist...? to contrast from leninism or other authoritarian means of revolution i endorse a revolution that seeks to abolish state and capitalism simultaneously. leninists believe in using the state/a vanguard party to destroy capitalism so that a stateless society will eventually form. [editline]16th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=catchall;42885241]well yes it's their privilege to do that[/QUOTE] well yea it's their privilege. a privilege that should be destroyed.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42885311]well yea it's their privilege. a privilege that should be destroyed.[/QUOTE] on the contrary, the natural aristocracy is a powerful force for social stability forcibly dethroning people who are obviously the betters of society will leave us all worse off

[QUOTE=catchall;42885538]on the contrary, the natural aristocracy is a powerful force for social stability forcibly dethroning people who are obviously the betters of society will leave us all worse off[/QUOTE] Dain, is that you?

[QUOTE=catchall;42885538]on the contrary, the natural aristocracy is a powerful force for social stability forcibly dethroning people who are obviously the betters of society will leave us all worse off[/QUOTE] privilege is not earned, it is taken. the privilege of one is the violation of the rights of another to be an equal in society. all privilege must be dismantled.

I don't want to sound like I'm doing a "No True Socialist" claim here (lol I'm not even a socialist) but I don't think the people running the Venezuelan government are smart enough to get into an even slightly deep discussion about politics and ideology like the one that has unfolded in this thread. They all sit around, spew their leftist buzzwords and find more ways to hoard more money from Venezuela's bottomless money pits. They are excellent marketers though; All their policies and actions go towards making people feel compromised into voting for them. When elections are around, they usually pull shit like this (forcing the lowering of prices of goods in stores to unsustainable prices, this time around). Other tricks they have are: -Putting people on huge wait lists for state funded houses giving people the hope that if they vote for them, they will be assigned a house. -Rising the minimum salary even though it means shit since the prices of goods go up almost immediately -When it comes to local elections they set up quick "food fairs" where they sell basic home goods at a loss (mind you, all this funded by the national oil company) to do some massive electioneering. -bombarding all TV stations with election propaganda months before the election campaign officially begins (disguising the propaganda as "informing people of govt. actions", which is law in Venezuela for all govt. bodies) -Harrassing people into voting for them by threatening them to fire them from govt. jobs, denying them basic citizen transactions like I.D. and passport renovation, driver's license. Sure, they have their fancy social programs and all, but even those are all run in ways that benefit the govt. populist campaigns. (also they are run separately from any ministry or appropriate govt. body, so they're huuuuge corruption pits). Truly, there is nothing socialist about the Venezuelan government, there's no real ideology behind it, it's just people with massive egos and hungry for power.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42885601]privilege is not earned, it is taken. the privilege of one is the violation of the rights of another to be an equal in society. all privilege must be dismantled.[/QUOTE] it is not taken and it may or may not be earned. equality is not a desirable end. there will always be, and there [I]should[/I] always be, those above who command, and those below who obey. and in return, the elites have a certain paternalistic [I]noblesse oblige[/I] toward their lessers. aberrations from this natural order inevitably lead to degeneracy and the decay of social institutions [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Gimmick alt" - Megafan))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=catchall;42885659]it is not taken and it may or may not be earned. equality is not a desirable end. there will always be, and there [I]should[/I] always be, those above who command, and those below who obey. and in return, the elites have a certain paternalistic [I]noblesse oblige[/I] toward their lessers. aberrations from this natural order inevitably lead to degeneracy and the decay of social institutions[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ Dain I knew it was you the moment I saw that Nigel Farage avatar. Can't barrage the Farage.

[QUOTE=catchall;42885659]it is not taken and it may or may not be earned. equality is not a desirable end. there will always be, and there [I]should[/I] always be, those above who command, and those below who obey. and in return, the elites have a certain paternalistic [I]noblesse oblige[/I] toward their lessers. aberrations from this natural order inevitably lead to degeneracy and the decay of social institutions[/QUOTE] Isn't it a wonderful coincidence that I'm watching [I]Rope[/I] exactly at this moment?

[QUOTE=catchall;42885659]it is not taken and it may or may not be earned. equality is not a desirable end. there will always be, and there [I]should[/I] always be, those above who command, and those below who obey. and in return, the elites have a certain paternalistic [I]noblesse oblige[/I] toward their lessers. aberrations from this natural order inevitably lead to degeneracy and the decay of social institutions[/QUOTE] yup, thread's over, you can lock this one already, because it isn't going anywhere but to hell.

[QUOTE=catchall;42885659]it is not taken and it may or may not be earned. equality is not a desirable end. there will always be, and there [I]should[/I] always be, those above who command, and those below who obey. and in return, the elites have a certain paternalistic [I]noblesse oblige[/I] toward their lessers. aberrations from this natural order inevitably lead to degeneracy and the decay of social institutions[/QUOTE] the decay of social institutions has always been caused by the inevitable corruption and decadence of your aristocracy. [editline]16th November 2013[/editline] also i missed u <3

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42885897]the decay of social institutions has always been caused by the inevitable corruption and decadence of your aristocracy. [editline]16th November 2013[/editline] also i missed u <3[/QUOTE] not really it's always caused by external agitators that ignite revolutionary firestorms. left to their own devices a society based around the natural leadership of the few most virtuous has always been stable apartheid is a perfect case study.

[QUOTE=catchall;42885969]not really it's always caused by external agitators that ignite revolutionary firestorms. left to their own devices a society based around the natural leadership of the few most virtuous has always been stable apartheid is a perfect case study.[/QUOTE] the revolutionary firestorms are caused by the inequality and persecution of those who are considered "less virtuous" by that unmerited elite. [editline]16th November 2013[/editline] apartheid is a perfect case study

[QUOTE=catchall;42885969]not really it's always caused by external agitators that ignite revolutionary firestorms. left to their own devices a society based around the natural leadership of the few most virtuous has always been stable[/QUOTE] this is like saying you can stop social and economic change

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42885991]the revolutionary firestorms are caused by the inequality and persecution of those who are considered "less virtuous" by that unmerited elite. [editline]16th November 2013[/editline] apartheid is a perfect case study[/QUOTE] not really. it was toppled by a foreign-sponsored terrorist demagogue called nelson mandela the virtue (or lack thereof) of the blacks of south africa can be inferred from that country's terrifying post apartheid crime statistics

[QUOTE=catchall;42886115]not really. it was toppled by a foreign-sponsored terrorist demagogue called nelson mandela the virtue (or lack thereof) of the blacks of south africa can be inferred from that country's terrifying post apartheid crime statistics[/QUOTE] crime statistics don't imply virtue. a virtuous person can be a criminal when persecuted or oppressed, whether economically or politically or socially.

Oh man Dain is back, and with a vengeance. And by vengeance I mean his usual helping of racist pseudo-scientific bollocks