Source: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14745941[/url]
[quote]Charter company Richmor Aviation and aviation broker SportsFlight have been engaged in a four-year legal dispute over the costs of the flights.
The suspects were taken to CIA-run secret prisons around the world and the US detention camp at Guantanamo Bay.
Many are alleged to have been tortured.
Details including the costs and itineraries of flights organised by US private aviation firms have been revealed as part of court proceedings.
Human rights group Reprieve, which drew attention to the court case in New York, has said the material provides "an unprecedented insight into how the government outsourced rendition".
A state judge ruled for Richmor last year, awarding the company $1.6m (£980,000). In May, an appeals court confirmed the decision, cutting the costs awarded to $874,000. But Richmor argues it still has not been paid in full.
During the trial, Richmor's president, Mahlon Richards, described flights as classified and said passengers were "government personnel and their invitees", in a court transcript published by the UK-based Guardian newspaper.
But he also said he was aware of allegations his planes flew "terrorists" and "bad guys".
Parallel pattern
The court files include contracts, flight invoices, mobile phone records and correspondence, but do not give details of who was on board the planes apart from a count of crew and passengers.
In many cases, the flights coincide with the arrests and transport of some of prominent terrorism suspects captured in the months after the 9/11 attacks.
Some of the details revealed include:
Airport invoices and other commercial records provide a paper trail for the movements of some terrorism suspects allegedly held in secret CIA prisons, along with government operatives who flew to the scenes of their detention.
The records include flight itineraries coordinated with the arrest of accused 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed and the suspected transport of other detainees.
The private jets were given US state department transit letters providing diplomatic cover for their flights.
The private business jets sometimes landed several times during a single mission, and in at least one case cost the US government as much as $300,000 for one flight.
The crew of one of the jets involved made expenses claims for items such as $20 sandwiches and $40 wine bottles, court documents published by the Guardian show.
Details of the flight programme have leaked previously.
Aviation logs and other records were exposed by lawsuits and European parliamentary inquiries, and investigative accounts have traced patterns of some planes used in the flights.
In 2007, the Council of Europe estimated that more than 1,000 CIA-operated flights passed over the continent.
Several European nations have been accused of co-operating by hosting secret CIA prisons or allowing CIA flights carrying the prisoners to use airports on their way to other countries.
In 2008, the UK admitted that CIA rendition flights had refuelled on the British overseas territory of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.
Two years later, Prime Minister David Cameron set up a "judge-led" inquiry to look at claims that UK security services were complicit in the torture of terror suspects.
The CIA has previously told the BBC: "The programme is over. This agency does not discuss publicly where detention facilities may or may not have been."[/quote]Interesting read...
Just sickening...
The guardian have an interactive map available
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2011/aug/31/rendition[/url]
Even IF they MAY be terrorists, torture is fucking stupid.
The fact that they tortured people shows what utter failures they are.
With all the high tech gear, human spies, informants, and so on, to have to resort to torturing people who may not even know a terrorist(much less be one) is pathetic.
That's not even considering how immoral/unethical/illegal it is.
Well, what can ya do.
It's not like anyone cares enough to change things.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32060418]Why do we even have the CIA, they're a fucking disgrace to this country, they literally spend all their time killing and torturing people, during the cold war they're pretty much responsible for every third world country imploding on themselves.[/QUOTE]
They couldn't get Cuba though :eng101:
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32060418]Why do we even have the CIA, they're a fucking disgrace to this country, they literally spend all their time killing and torturing people, during the cold war they're pretty much responsible for every third world country imploding on themselves.[/QUOTE]
Having spent eight years in Tbilisi, Nairobi, and Dar-Es-Salaam watching my father, who worked for the CIA for nineteen years, do his job, I have to respectfully disagree as strongly as possible. You don't see their operations on the news not because they don't accomplish anything, but because they utterly neutralize threats before they ever become known to the general public. Not to mention the intelligence work that benefits our country every day by helping us keep tabs on the rest of the world- who do you think it is that tracks down the Taliban and Al-Qaeda so the military can do its job?
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32070337]If it weren't for the CIA giving away weapons and training people in Afghanistan so they could fight the soviets, we wouldn't even have to be tracking down the Taliban or Al-Qaeda in the first place.[/QUOTE]
If it weren't for the CIA giving away weapons and training people in Afghanistan so they could fight the Soviets, the Cold War might have turned out very differently and we wouldn't be after the Taliban or Al-Qaeda to begin with. We can play hindsight and posit what-if scenarios all we want, but it doesn't change that despite the occasional screwup, scandal, or decision we later regret, the CIA has a pretty good track record and has done a lot for our country, publicized or not.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32060418]Why do we even have the CIA, they're a fucking disgrace to this country, they literally spend all their time killing and torturing people, during the cold war they're pretty much responsible for every third world country imploding on themselves.[/QUOTE]
The CIA is a secretive organization, you only hear about them when shit goes horribly wrong or so well it gets made into a film. They do a lot more than you hear about.
Sometimes governments have to do things in other countries to secure their interests, and that is the reason why things like the CIA exist.
As for the bit about them giving weapons to people who eventually became part of Al Qeada, its a terrible argument. If the soviet union had been successful and the US hadn't fought a proxy war against them then the cold war could have gone very differently. Hindsight is a great thing, but it is useless when discussing something like this. No one could have predicted what happened in Afghanistan.
On the other hand, they fund their black ops projects with money off of drugs trade because the federal government cant officially fund some of their activities.
They also pretty much destroyed the whole nation of hmongs by forcing them to fight against vietnamese communists and to farm opium, with the help of a local druglord who reportedly, before their first meeting, just had executed a few villagers himself with a bullet to the head. The men died in the war and the kids and women starved because all the farm space was required for drugs.
On the fourth hand they waterboard people and take interrogate and hold them in "secret prisons" and during flights in free airspace to avoid international treaties.
The safety of the nation comes before everything.
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On the fourth hand they waterboard people and take interrogate and hold them in "secret prisons" and during flights in free airspace to avoid international treaties.
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They have done [I]alot more[/I] than just waterboard people.
That was the "interrogation" or more precisely "Enchanced interrogation"
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