Homelessness expected to rise further as UK Government scraps housing benefit for young people - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Doozle;51922582]Are you suggesting that we wouldn't have needed a welfare state if we weren't in the EU? I'm not going to say you're wrong, but that seems quite a leap[/QUOTE] no, I am merely pointing out that some members are ardent supporters of the EU, then they are posting about how hard it is for them and their families alike, I just want to understand how you can believe in something so fervently whilst your actual plight isn't so good? It just seems to be a conflicting point of view.

Because the EU isnt to blame for their situation? Take a long, hard look of the governments of Britain since the Winter of Discontent. I will tell you: the problems faced were not im the vast majority of cases caused by the EU.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51922551]i think it won't, completely invalidating your point.[/QUOTE] That's frankly irrelevant. You're implying they're inconsistent or contradicting themselves, when they just have a different view of the situation than you do.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51922617]no, I am merely pointing out that some members are ardent supporters of the EU, then they are posting about how hard it is for them and their families alike, I just want to understand how you can believe in something so fervently whilst your actual plight isn't so good? It just seems to be a conflicting point of view.[/QUOTE] The erosion of the welfare state by the conservative party to me seems to have very little to do with the EU. But I'm so glad you're sure that once we leave the EU the housing crisis will end and more young people will have a chance to own their homes and the disabled will finally be able to work and people won't even need support from the government! As for my plight, I've never had to receive benefits and I've never been out of work, hopefully I'll be buying a house in the next couple of years. I'm doing alright, I'm very fortunate but I'm a minority in my age group and the younger generations have no chance. You don't have to be facing a plight to want to support the welfare state to help people less fortunate than yourself. I'd happily pay a bit more tax if it actually went towards helping others.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51922617]no, I am merely pointing out that some members are ardent supporters of the EU, then they are posting about how hard it is for them and their families alike, I just want to understand how you can believe in something so fervently whilst your actual plight isn't so good? It just seems to be a conflicting point of view.[/QUOTE] They don't think the EU is the cause of their problem dude I don't see why you're finding this such a mindblowing concept. [editline]6th March 2017[/editline] not all problems are the fault of the EU

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51922751]They don't think the EU is the cause of their problem dude I don't see why you're finding this such a mindblowing concept. [editline]6th March 2017[/editline] not all problems are the fault of the EU[/QUOTE] He just likes starting arguments about the EU so he confirm his own bias.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51922525]I am pointing out that all 3 of you advocate the greatness of the EU whilst moaning about your plight?[/QUOTE] Well that answers the first line of my post, not only are you being smarmy, You are being stupid. You are trying to shoehorn the EU into a discussion about the conservative government so you can feel smug that people who don't agree with you on a separate political issue are having a hard time. "This homeless man likes to talk about the greatness of not being stabbed, but we in the Stab Everyone camp want to ask, wasn't his life awful before we stabbed him?!" The EU is either irrelevant to troubles faced by families like mine, or the issues caused by leaving the EU have the very real potential to cause further complications on top of those already faced. [QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51922551]i think it won't, completely invalidating your point.[/QUOTE] I explained, In simple terms, one particular reason why leaving the EU [b] WILL[/b] effect my situation, one way or another. I also explained how leaving the EU has handed the ultimate say in how well it works out for me right to the people currently screwing everything up anyway. you respond by saying "well I think it wont!" and go on to act like my rundown on my exact concern is equal to your wishy washy bias. Either stop reiterating the same baseless point over and over and explain why you seem to think this is going to be all sunshine and rainbows, (and perhaps even what the fuck the EU has to do with the incompetence of the Tory government to begin with) or take your ~feels before reals~ bullshit somewhere else.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51922017]At this point it sometimes feels as though we'd probably be better off if extremists came along and targeted May and her like than if they continued fucking people over.[/QUOTE] I don't want extremists to get rid of the tories, because that would harm innocents and only serve to legitimise the right wing obsession with removing our privacy and rights in the name of national security, as well as any bloated defense spending (while our vital services and infrastructure rots away from neglect). Every harm they do to the vulnerable and everyday people makes me furious, and in that moment violence seems necessary, but when we finally rid ourselves of these cunts, it'll be through exposing their moral bankruptcy; democractically removing them before we fucking NAIL them for every rule and law they bent our outright broke.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51922617]no, I am merely pointing out that some members are ardent supporters of the EU, then they are posting about how hard it is for them and their families alike, I just want to understand how [b]you can believe in something so fervently whilst your actual plight isn't so good? It just seems to be a conflicting point of view.[/b][/QUOTE] Because there's a direct, well-documented causal link between our current government and the loss of state welfare. Other people in this thread have given numerous examples. That's why it's not a conflicting view. You don't have to look far to realise our current [b]government [/b] is responsible for the largest welfare cuts in decades, including our last 40 years of EU membership. That's not even a point of debate: if you have the time, you can go and read the [URL=http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/business-papers/commons/votes-and-proceedings/#session=28&year=2017&month=2&day=7]House proceedings[/URL] and see for yourself that this is true. On the other hand, you're looking at two things happening at the same time (being in the EU, some people having financial issues) and inferring causality from correlation. I'm not expecting to change your mind because it seems to already be made up. I'm just hoping other people will read this and see how full of shit you are.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51922401]well if being a member was as beneficial as we keep hearing, folks wouldn't be so reliant on the welfare state, would they?[/QUOTE] If the EU is so great, why don't I have a robot to suck my dick? Things could be better comparatively without being great, in the EU. But we could also ask "why are the EU countries some of the richest on the planet?".

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51929962]If the EU is so great, why don't I have a robot to suck my dick? Things could be better comparatively without being great, in the EU. But we could also ask "why are the EU countries some of the richest on the planet?".[/QUOTE] indeed, depending on your opinion you could also ask why EU countries have high youth unemployment and need bailing out.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51931928]indeed, depending on your opinion you could also ask why EU countries have high youth unemployment and need bailing out.[/QUOTE] Why are you so obsessed with the EU

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51932181]Why are you so obsessed with the EU[/QUOTE] I think it's something to do with the sunk cost fallacy, he's gone this far he has to keep going no matter what.