Another one bites the dust. Political reffugee from Russia, Nikolai Glushkov found dead.
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[QUOTE=karimatrix;53200577]Developer of that nerve gas immigrated to US back in 90's and yet nobody here asks a question about what he was up to.
Problen with "hysterias" like this one is that it gives powder to agenda of politicians without any solid evidence required.
You can have thousand of assumptions but the fact is neither this or any other previous scandalous murder on UK soil ever goes beyond closure without full evidence.
Heck, even now, after UK's ultimatum Russia asked for samples for a check up, yet UK provided none.[/QUOTE]
If you're talking about Vil Mirzayanov, then yes, he was involved in the program, but he most certainly was [I]not[/I] the only person involved in the effort. He was also the first person to blow the whistle to the international community on the existence of these agents. Why he would then cooperate with some other Russian-aligned group 20 years down the road, knowing that they would be used in an attack, eludes me. That you could think such a connection is even remotely plausible just blows my mind.
Where is the line drawn between "Its my opinion" and "Im lying out my asshole."
Since you're really riding that line Karimatrix.
[QUOTE=Uber22;53200999]Where is the line drawn between "Its my opinion" and "Im lying out my asshole."
Since you're really riding that line Karimatrix.[/QUOTE]
Technically he's not lying, he's just really fucking high. At least, you [I]have[/I] to be in order to grasp at straws like that.
[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;53200590]I just want to note a few things.
First, the timing is suspicious - deaths of Russian people who defected because of politics right before FIFA 2018. And they were not on the level of Litvinenko - Skripal was already imprisoned and freed way back in 2010. There is no logical explanation for their murder, except “Putin is an evil evildoer from Sunday cartoons”.
Second - British special forces still refuse to say what was used, except “it’s a soviet nerve agent, we swear!”. And apparently, they didn’t even said what it was to Russian embassy, while at the same time demanding answers from them.
Third point - their deaths were readily used as another fearmongering aspect. People on reddit are already screaming for military intervention into Russia, because freedom! (Granted, it’s Reddit, but still). Which brings to mind the exact type of people who would find this situation to be beneficial for their own interests (hint: it’s not Russia).
I don’t want to say that, but I think we will hear about a few more deaths, then new sanctions will take place, FIFA right will be forcefully taken back, and then suddenly, all of this will stop.[/QUOTE]
People conveniently ignore this post in favor of bashing karimatrix
One more thing: why would Russia leave "made in Russia" marks all around this assassination. Surely they know what discretion is, considering how discreet they were with meddling with elections in US
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;53203435]People conveniently ignore this post in favor of bashing karimatrix
One more thing: why would Russia leave "made in Russia" marks all around this assassination. Surely they know what discretion is, considering how discreet they were with meddling with elections in US[/QUOTE]
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;53203435]People conveniently ignore this post in favor of bashing karimatrix
One more thing: why would Russia leave "made in Russia" marks all around this assassination. Surely they know what discretion is, considering how discreet they were with meddling with elections in US[/QUOTE]
1) There *was* reason, not just cartoon villainy. Skripal was reportedly involved with the Steele dossier, and would likely have been called to testify either to the Mueller investigation or to Congress.
2) Novichok agents were specifically engineered to not be detected by NATO chemical-weapon-detection equipment. They probably expected Skripal to end up quietly dead in his home and nobody to think it was anything other than a natural death.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;53200577]Developer of that nerve gas immigrated to US back in 90's and yet nobody here asks a question about what he was up to.
Problen with "hysterias" like this one is that it gives powder to agenda of politicians without any solid evidence required.
You can have thousand of assumptions but the fact is neither this or any other previous scandalous murder on UK soil ever goes beyond closure without full evidence.
Heck, even now, after UK's ultimatum Russia asked for samples for a check up, yet UK provided none.[/QUOTE]
So then you're suggesting that an AMERICAN agent poisoned a RUSSIAN former spy in BRITISH territory... Why? Who in America would have the motive to hire an ex-pat Russian chemical weapons engineer, just to go through all the trouble of poisoning an old Russian with connections to Russia's spy networks somewhere down the line and making Russia look like the bad gu- ...:ohno:
[editline]15th March 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=phygon;53200812]I've seen people make entirely true claims about the contents of the Quran but I've not seen a single person imply that it's okay to harass or silence Muslim individuals without being met with a (deserving) amount of backlash.[/QUOTE]
Don't take pride in that, because I've seen/met people that are[I] just[/I] like that elsewhere. :disappoint:
His post is literally a perfect example of how the Russian government directs its propaganda. Take every accusation put forth against you, spin it on its head and accuse back.
The timing was suspicious because Skripal was involved in the investigation = The timing was suspicious because the Russian elections are happening soon
The British side has said exactly what they've found (bar giving a sample) and asked Russia if such an agent could be in the hands of a third party = The British side hasn't shared its finding with Russia
The motive for Russia is clear - silence a dissident, show everyone else what will happen if they dare cross the bear = No motive for Russia
The death is used to illustrate the lengths Russia will go = The death is used for fearmongering
Note how the latter statement is always the reverse from the truth. This is the hybrid war. This is why truth is smeared with shit nowadays.
The Russian government paradoxically uses acts like these to bolster its popularity with the people. The Embassy twitter posts, Putin's statements about "eating the poison", it's all there so that Russians can go "Yes, you show them who's boss!". And you eat it up like its a three course meal. I hope after reading my post you can answer yourself the question you ask. Hint: It's because they want everyone to know it was them. I'm not sure why this question need be asked when you can just refer to Litvinenko's murder for the answer.
Shit like this makes me fearful of a possible war.
This. Power-plays via poisoning dissidents means nothing if nobody knows who did it, or why.
A heated exchange of unpleasantries is probably all that will come of this incident. It'll take a lot more than a few people being poisoned or whacked to start a war (unless they literally Franz Ferdinand the Queen).
Russia. The master of aiming to be discret, yet they never were.
Surely a nation such as Russia is a believable ally, like some of the groups in the US and the world belueve and not a hostile counterweight country to American dominance over the world affairs.
And that's where it begins to crumble, because there was a motive 8 years ago, when he was jailed, and then released. Why do it now, when this guy had already sold out everything he had waaay back then.
He was released as part of an exchange. So not eliminating him at that point in time benefited the Russian government more than killing him.
Because while he was in jail he was an asset that could be used for any future spy swaps? Such as the one that happened in 2010? There wasn't any reason to kill him while he was in prison? Why? He was convicted for treason and he was in a Russian prison, I doubt he had any way to do any damage from there. The spy swap happened and the UK insisted that Skripal was to be included in it. They have had a lot of time to assassinate him since 2010 but they didn't try it until now? Why? I suppose that 1) It would be very easy to tell who assassinated him if they did it shortly after his release, and 2) Was there any reason to get rid of him at that time? He probably shared everything he could with MI6 anyway. So they either left him alone completely or kept their eye on him.
Now we've got an on-going investigation about the collusion between the president of the United States and Russia and it is said that Skripal had links to Christopher Steele. If Skripal knew anything and told Steele then it was probably too late to avoid him talking but his death could also show other potential informers that they could share the same fate if they decided to talk.
Did the United States have a reason to do this? Well, they'd be assassinating an ally's double agent on the ally's soil AND if it's true that Trump is a puppet of Putin then what reason would he have to stage this whole thing and make it look like Russia did it?
I am not quite sure if the CIA could've done this either because its director was assigned by Trump.
I explained very plainly how the events unfolding are playing into Putin's hands and why it's happening right now as it is. You of course, ignored the rest of my post because the game-plan is very clear: ignore the facts, deny what you can, accuse back where you can. But it's whatever man, I really don't want to argue with RT's yesterday headlines. You are willingly or unwillingly a propaganda piece for the Russian government. I automatically lean towards the latter because the former is ridiculous, but with you guys I'm not so sure. That bit about the WC you parroted out yesterday came straight from Lavrov's mouth and was never picked up by western media.
Because that's the point. It's supposed to be clearly linked to Russia by anyone with a brain and is designed to warn other defectors of their fate if they collaborate with the West or undermine Russian interests.
First - I chose the only weak argument, because you gave an explanation for other ones, and a logical one at that. Secondly - holy shit dude, so much reflection. "DAE russian paid trolls dae red propaganda".
Also, what bit?
"First, the timing is suspicious - deaths of Russian people who defected because of politics right before FIFA 2018."
http://tass.com/politics/994323
Straight from the horse's mouth.
I'm not saying or even implying you're a paid troll. I think you've just fallen hard for your government's propaganda and are spreading its misinformation with great vigor. And don't mock the word - there's no better way to describe - it's propaganda.
Yeah, I said that a few days ago, he said that yesterday. But I totally parrot Lavrov, of course. And I am not mocking the word (even though you're seemingly not grasping what it means) I am mocking the whole attitude.
They've launched a murder investigation
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43433552
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