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[QUOTE=Plaster;50421628]Making cuts in premiere isn't that simple either. Instead of just pressing S to split I have to change the tool and then hope that I actually cut it at the frame that I want, then I have to switch tools again and do the moving/deleting work. I also really like that I can just drag and drop a video into vegas and let it set the project settings as the imported source. It's kind of a selling point to me.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;50421670]IIRC, Premiere was built from the ground up to mimic old school editing systems; it has bins etc and is really fucking dumb in a lot of departments. Adobe basically snatched the guys behind Final Cut or Avid or something and they made the whole interface for Premiere. For instance you can click and drop a media folder into premiere--but then you cannot refresh it, you have manually add new files. Whereas my understanding of Vegas is that it was built as "video editor" so doesn't have some of the mind numbingly stupid things that Premiere does. Also, Vegas seems a lot better for YouTube Poop/wacky video editing stuff than premiere.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Brt5470;50421679]Yea Vegas seems designed with the digital era in mind. Vs premiere which seems like it's still designed for film editing or proper productions. Which is why there seem to be a lot of needless steps sometimes.[/QUOTE]Heh heh heh, you guys think Premiere is bad, you should trying using Avid media composer. Avid [B]was[/B] one of those editing old systems designed to edit tape and film in offline mode. It's still used by Hollywood and Broadcast TV for some reason, I supposed they view it as the gold standard when in reality it's really old code with newer code on top. You have to bind a key to make a split, the api for the audio plugins crashes Avid for no reason, they don't give you proper tech support unless you by a certified PC, you have to wait for it transcode into it's own format and it only accept some formats, others you have to convert before importing. But if you guys really need an editor that'll import most formats no matter how weird they are, try [B]Edius[/B] . It's pretty fast and straight forward.
Avidemux master race :v:
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50421806] - you can't perform a split with the keyboard, you have to use the split tool, this can be a pain in the ass if you want to do something instantly and dont want a special cursor to do it [/QUOTE] Unsure on the correct use of terminolgy but this kind of split? [t]https://jii.moe/41P1VEH7W.gif[/t]
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50421806]i transitioned in early 2015 to premiere, the different really isn't that big as people make it out to be both vegas and premiere use similar designs for their video, if you are familiar with vegas's timeline, you're familiar with premiere probably the only problems i have with premiere is: - you can't perform a split with the keyboard, you have to use the split tool, this can be a pain in the ass if you want to do something instantly and dont want a special cursor to do it - the text editor is fucking shit, if you need to make a title, it's a journey - audio+video tracks arent easy to make - audio and video timelines are separate, meaning if you have 6 video and 6 audio tracks, instead of scrolling to go down from video -> audio it's separate so video has its own video timeline, audio has its own, this can get annoying - crashes more than vegas in my experience but its worthwhile tho, premiere is used widely in the industry and you might as well get used to it, also compatibility with other adobe products like photoshop and AE is great, that should win over everyone[/QUOTE] Why must everything adobe be the industry standard even if it's not that great a program? I understand why AE and photoshop are used but premiere is just weird to use compared to vegas, I'll never get my head around why you'd force someone to use the cut tool instead of offering a quick shotcut right next to it. At least the effects premiere has are nice compared to vegas which hasn't had any new ones except from thirdpartys.
[QUOTE=Scratch.;50421875]Unsure on the correct use of terminolgy but this kind of split? [t]https://jii.moe/41P1VEH7W.gif[/t][/QUOTE] Yea, Vegas has one key to split "events" or clips. It's shift+K in premiere I believe. One problem though is in vegas you just select the clip and where and hit S and it splits. In premiere, it's dependant on what track buttons are selected and such. You get [I]used[/I] to having to use the tool or the shortcut, but yea in vegas, doing fast montage editing is soooooooo fast and fluid. It's a pain in PP. The other thing is timeline movement. In vegas, middle click is like a webpage scroll. you just hold it and scroll left or right. In premiere you gotta scroll with the wheel, and its slow like molasses. [QUOTE=fruxodaily;50421806] - the text editor is fucking shit, if you need to make a title, it's a journey [/QUOTE] Don't forget that it's not infinitely rasterizing like AE or Photoshop. When you make a text title, you have to define the resolution. So when you do any scaling for the text as an animation, it's taking a set resolution and upscaling or downscaling. Or what happens if you need to redo the resolution on a sequence, all that text is now the wrong res or being upscaled. I took over on a film edit a few years ago when I was learning Premiere, and the previous editor used a Panasonic DVCPROHD preset of 1280x1080 with a PAR of 1.5, when our footage was 1080p Prores, square pixels. When I finished the edit, I was going to check all the titles, I found out, all the titles were 1280x1080 and were very fuzzy. So instead of just like, idk not tying them to a resolution. I had to remake all the titles (Like 30 of em) to make them 1920x1080.
As a huge sony vagas user since 10. This heavily concerns me. I still can't get used to premier. And i've used plenty of after effects. but i only use that for after effects. get it?
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50421583]I edit in Premiere and carry over to After Effects. I don't think After Effects is the best for making all the cuts.[/QUOTE] After Effects is a composition tool though, not an editing one. The idea behind the workflow being, just like a studio, where you'd comp in any effects you want to add to a shot in AE and then edit all of your footage together in Premiere. That's why it's not a good editing tool. It's unneeded for simple productions where there's no serious comp work to be done.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;50421862]Heh heh heh, you guys think Premiere is bad, you should trying using Avid media composer. Avid [B]was[/B] one of those editing old systems designed to edit tape and film in offline mode. It's still used by Hollywood and Broadcast TV for some reason, I supposed they view it as the gold standard when in reality it's really old code with newer code on top. You have to bind a key to make a split, the api for the audio plugins crashes Avid for no reason, they don't give you proper tech support unless you by a certified PC, you have to wait for it transcode into it's own format and it only accept some formats, others you have to convert before importing. But if you guys really need an editor that'll import most formats no matter how weird they are, try [B]Edius[/B] . It's pretty fast and straight forward.[/QUOTE] Avid Media Composer is truly awful. I work in television and it's pretty much all production companies use. It's so popular because of its age and the networked media architecture that people and third party products have become familiar with. It would be too expensive to switch over from it. That said, many new production companies will use Premiere. Thankfully my job's special effects/compositing/graphics design, so I don't have to touch Avid. My go-to editor has always been Vegas because it's hassle free.
I think part of the issue is people like Vegas where you can do all your wacky effects, basic masking, decent text tools, etc all in one software whereas with the Premiere-AE workflow Premiere has shitty text tools because the idea is that you send the project back and forth between Premiere and AE and use AE's MUCH more powerful tools. Another good example would be notepad vs word. If you're just typing a bit of text there's no real reason to waste time starting word when notepad starts up in a fraction of the time and you could be done typing whatever you need to type by the time word eventually starts up. Vegas has its place but a lot of complaints I hear about Premiere are because people want it to be like Vegas where everything can be done in it without having to hop software.
[QUOTE=cyanidem;50422262]Avid Media Composer is truly awful. I work in television and it's pretty much all production companies use. It's so popular because of its age and the networked media architecture that people and third party products have become familiar with. It would be too expensive to switch over from it. That said, many new production companies will use Premiere. Thankfully my job's special effects/compositing/graphics design, so I don't have to touch Avid. My go-to editor has always been Vegas because it's hassle free.[/QUOTE] I've used Avid too. It is godawful. Supposedly the "fades are better". Having said all that, thank fuck for Adobe Premiere which has basically single handedly killed the notion that you have to have a mac to work in film/editing.
I started out using Sony Vegas and fucking hated it, was buggy trash that always rendered my videos like 4x darker than they were supposed to look and crashed all the fucking time. I'm amazed at how many people in this thread still use it. I actually recently made an intro title for someone on youtube, did a short animation in After Effects and then exported a .mp4 with alpha that he could just just plop onto his video and it'd work. SIMPLE. Unfortunately he was using Vegas and had no idea how to get the video to show up transparent, how to blur the video layer and make it fade up, I was like "really? it's not just working when you put it in? and you can't just keyframe the effect?" I had to look it up and yeah, in order to make keyframes in vegas you need to put on the effect, go into some separate window and "enable keyframes" and use a really fucking small separate timeline and manually input keyframes, like it was such an ordeal to make a controlled fade-in of an effect. Then even to just have alpha video not show up as black you need to go into the clip's properties and manually change a setting that tells it to use the alpha channel when it should just fucking using it by default??? So yeah Vegas fucking sucks if you're doing anything on a professional level. I can see how it can be appealing for extremely basic editing, but if anyone's trying to go above that and still using Vegas, just switch already. Premiere and AE are amazing.
[QUOTE=FelixDragon;50426633]I started out using Sony Vegas and fucking hated it, was buggy trash that always rendered my videos like 4x darker than they were supposed to look and crashed all the fucking time. I'm amazed at how many people in this thread still use it. I actually recently made an intro title for someone on youtube, did a short animation in After Effects and then exported a .mp4 with alpha that he could just just plop onto his video and it'd work. SIMPLE. Unfortunately he was using Vegas and had no idea how to get the video to show up transparent, how to blur the video layer and make it fade up, I was like "really? it's not just working when you put it in? and you can't just keyframe the effect?" I had to look it up and yeah, in order to make keyframes in vegas you need to put on the effect, go into some separate window and "enable keyframes" and use a really fucking small separate timeline and manually input keyframes, like it was such an ordeal to make a controlled fade-in of an effect. Then even to just have alpha video not show up as black you need to go into the clip's properties and manually change a setting that tells it to use the alpha channel when it should just fucking using it by default??? So yeah Vegas fucking sucks if you're doing anything on a professional level. I can see how it can be appealing for extremely basic editing, but if anyone's trying to go above that and still using Vegas, just switch already. Premiere and AE are amazing.[/QUOTE] I would rather insert a pencil into my urethra than try to keyframe in Sony Vegas.
I use Sony Vegas, only problem I have with it is that it stopped using my GPU every since upgrading to a 980 TI. Apparently something related to Vegas 13 not supporting the GPU architecture. So now my render times are longer because it's all on the CPU.
[QUOTE=FelixDragon;50426633]I started out using Sony Vegas and fucking hated it, was buggy trash [B]that always rendered my videos like 4x darker than they were supposed to look and crashed all the fucking time. I'm amazed at how many people in this thread still use it.[/B] I actually recently made an intro title for someone on youtube, did a short animation in After Effects and then exported a .mp4 with alpha that he could just just plop onto his video and it'd work. SIMPLE. Unfortunately he was using Vegas and had no idea how to get the video to show up transparent, how to blur the video layer and make it fade up, I was like "really? it's not just working when you put it in? and you can't just keyframe the effect?" I had to look it up and yeah, in order to make keyframes in vegas you need to put on the effect, go into some separate window and "enable keyframes" and use a really fucking small separate timeline and manually input keyframes, like it was such an ordeal to make a controlled fade-in of an effect. Then even to just have alpha video not show up as black you need to go into the clip's properties and manually change a setting that tells it to use the alpha channel when it should just fucking using it by default??? So yeah Vegas fucking sucks if you're doing anything on a professional level. I can see how it can be appealing for extremely basic editing, but if anyone's trying to go above that and still using Vegas, just switch already. Premiere and AE are amazing.[/QUOTE] Don't use MainConcept AVC then. Infact don't encode with Vegas at all. Even 13 has some of the fucking shittiest export options and quality. Export an avi and do it in something else. ffmpeg is free. As for keyframes, I've been on Premiere fulltime for my job since August, and Vegas has a far superior keyframe system. Premiere's is surprisingly annoying to use considering Adobe also has After Effects which has such a good keyframe system.
Well that was unexpected. I still use Vegas for quickly cutting and splicing stuff together for export, but looks like I'll be doing more Premiere stuff from now on.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;50429237]Don't use MainConcept AVC then. Infact don't encode with Vegas at all. Even 13 has some of the fucking shittiest export options and quality. Export an avi and do it in something else. ffmpeg is free. As for keyframes, I've been on Premiere fulltime for my job since August, and Vegas has a far superior keyframe system. Premiere's is surprisingly annoying to use considering Adobe also has After Effects which has such a good keyframe system.[/QUOTE] Which is why you do anything that needs keyframing in AfterEffects, then literally drag your comp from AE into the Premiere timeline and it live-updates as a single clip. Premiere is for editing video, AE for text and motion graphics. You can get away with quick crossfades and overlays in premiere but I've been doing both video and motion graphics full-time and I'm learning a lot more about using the programs together.
Yeah, I much prefer the work flow of Adobe products since everything works in tandem with relative ease. Only issues I've ever had have been when taking files from one computer to another which can be rough with any editing program.
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