• Spirituality (and lack thereof) linked to specific areas of brain
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[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20164191]People find it hard that someone has a different opinion than them, so they immediately think they are ignorant of the truth. In this case the atheists just get a little bit of proof. Although a lot of atheists do believe science 100%, which makes it somewhat like a belief system to them.[/QUOTE] Science isn't some kind of cult we have. Science is a tool that we use to gauge the universe around us. Anything that we 'believe' to be true is backed up by a significantly large amount of evidence and it's undergone a tremendous amount of peer review to make sure all known information complies with the theory. We don't just make shit up to see how long or how many people we can fool into believing us. We use science to understand the universe around us. Why the hell would we want to misunderstand the universe around us? That makes no sense.
[QUOTE=Teal Moose;20164426]I agree, I said a teaching, but philosophy also seems to fit in there.[/QUOTE] I was agreeing with you, I was just summarizing your post if people were too lazy to read it. [editline]06:56PM[/editline] [QUOTE=sltungle;20164458]Science isn't some kind of cult we have. Science is a tool that we use to gauge the universe around us. Anything that we 'believe' to be true is backed up by a significantly large amount of evidence and it's undergone a tremendous amount of peer review to make sure all known information complies with the theory. We don't just make shit up to see how long or how many people we can fool into believing us. We use science to understand the universe around us. Why the hell would we want to misunderstand the universe around us? That makes no sense.[/QUOTE] Agreed, since Science changes upon empirical evidence, it is not the same as a religion, which usually believes something regarding "faith", the knowing that it cannot be proved.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;20164403]No, are you? Do you have any idea as to how science progresses? Science: The continual advancement on the successes and learning from the failures of our forefathers. It is derived from evidence. Religion: Do what this book says and don't question it. It is derived from faith.[/QUOTE] And some people put faith in science. A good example: One gene one enzyme: They shot xrays at a fungus and figured out that by damaging DNA, certain enzymes couldn't be synthesized and so the fungus would be a mutant. They theorized using that knowledge, that DNA codes for enzymes. So they called it one gene one enzyme. However, they figured out that not all proteins are enzymes so they renamed it one gene one protein. But then they realized that some proteins take more than one polypeptide, so they renamed it one gene one polypeptide. Then they found out about gene splicing and one gene one polypeptide doesn't work anymore. Science can be wrong, if you just believe something a scientist or a professor says without ample evidence then you're an idiot.
[QUOTE=sltungle;20164458]Science isn't some kind of cult we have. Science is a tool that we use to gauge the universe around us. Anything that we 'believe' to be true is backed up by a significantly large amount of evidence and it's undergone a tremendous amount of peer review to make sure all known information complies with the theory. We don't just make shit up to see how long or how many people we can fool into believing us. We use science to understand the universe around us. Why the hell would we want to misunderstand the universe around us? That makes no sense.[/QUOTE] The world today has raped science over. Anything a scientist says anymore becomes more political than scientific. Global Warming, case in point. Each side gets their own "scientists and sources" to back up their point, forcing the research world to end up taking sides. What they should be doing is uniting together against the politicians in general for breaking them apart and having humanity question every single proof that comes about.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20164502]And some people put faith in science. A good example: One gene one enzyme: They shot xrays at a fungus and figured out that by damaging DNA, certain enzymes couldn't be synthesized and so the fungus would be a mutant. They theorized using that knowledge, that DNA codes for enzymes. So they called it one gene one enzyme. However, they figured out that not all proteins are enzymes so they renamed it one gene one protein. But then they realized that some proteins take more than one polypeptide, so they renamed it one gene one polypeptide. Then they found out about gene splicing and one gene one polypeptide doesn't work anymore. Science can be wrong, if you just believe something a scientist or a professor says without ample evidence then you're an idiot.[/QUOTE] Science changes over time. Unlike an old manuscript which claims infinite truth but demands that you do not question it.
[QUOTE=GhostSonic;20163980]Here comes the atheist circle jerk.[/QUOTE] That's more or less what I say every time I get into the in the news section of facepunch.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;20164403]No, are you? Do you have any idea as to how science progresses? Science: The continual advancement on the successes and learning from the failures of our forefathers. It is derived from evidence. Religion: Do what this book says and don't question it. It is derived from faith.[/QUOTE] Not necessarily, organized religion, yes. As for science, that is debatable. Science has a way of doubting what it cannot explain. If we were to investigate what we did not understand, perhaps we would be further as a global society. The thing is, you rarely draw logical and concrete conclusions from what you can't understand in the first place, so therefore we would have only faith and not proof for our arguments. So perhaps science is correct, I am indifferent to either side personally. We don't always learn from past mistakes and immediately progress however. Everyone has a different way of doing something or acknowledging a mistake. Everyone thinks their own respective idea is right. You cannot progress with millions of scientists all pulling in a different direction, it's basic physics. On one hand, if all sides are equal, the net force produces no motion. One force may overpower the others though, this one may be biased or incorrect. Therefore from this we could draw that depending on science would be faith in its own right. There aren't many things we can explain. So we develop theories and through experimentation, process of elimination, and the scientific method we progress. We usually later come to revelations and disprove our hypothesis and replace it with a logical conclusion. So science is more of a temporary faith since a logical theory is accepted until a conclusion is made.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;20164589]Science changes over time. Unlike an old manuscript which claims infinite truth but demands that you do not question it.[/QUOTE] You're an idiot. I'm an atheist, I see people like you who worship science without knowing anything, and yet you argue with me without reading the thread.
I think that often we think that Science and Faith are two opposites of the same dynamic, where science exists to refute faith. They are not. They are completely different. Science will never answer the great question, "why?" When people thought flight was impossible, that could always conceive of some sort of fantasy where you could fly, possibly growing wings or something insane. It wasn't possible, but it was imaginable. Can you imagine an answer to "Why?"
I'm not religious or anything, and parts of your brain might make you more prone to believing things. But this study is horseshit. People accept religion because it's forced down their neck from a young age, or something drastically bad happens in their lives and they need something to believe in. I'm sure this study is exactly what some of you atheistic tossers want to believe but it's wrong. If you didn't grow up in this day and age where religion is dying, and about 500 years ago instead, I guarantee you'd be praying at a cross right about now.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20164661]I think that often we think that Science and Faith are two opposites of the same dynamic, where science exists to refute faith. They are not. They are completely different. Science will never answer the great question, "why?" When people thought flight was impossible, that could always conceive of some sort of fantasy where you could fly, possibly growing wings or something insane. It wasn't possible, but it was imaginable. Can you imagine an answer to "Why?"[/QUOTE] Everything has a logical explanation. In the absence of logic, people decide to turn to the paranormal. Eventually we will find out why. [editline]08:09PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Faunz;20164675]I'm not religious or anything, and parts of your brain might make you more prone to believing things. But this study is horseshit. People accept religion because it's forced down their neck from a young age, or something drastically bad happens in their lives and they need something to believe in. I'm sure this study is exactly what some of you atheistic tossers want to believe but it's wrong. If you didn't grow up in this day and age where religion is dying, and about 500 years ago instead, I guarantee you'd be praying at a cross right about now.[/QUOTE] People can be born without legs, or a land mine can do it for you. The only way they are related is the fact that they have no legs. Not all religious people are idiots of course, especially if you're forcing into believing it.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20164677]Everything has a logical explanation. In the absence of logic, people decide to turn to the paranormal. Eventually we will find out why. [/QUOTE] What is the logical reason for the existence of everything?
[QUOTE=MR-X;20163460]Why is religion stupid and how do you know it is made up? The only people sounding stupid and pompous are the fucking atheists going "lol see religion make u stupid" The only thing dumber then being a crazy religious person is a uptight asshole atheist. Atheists and religious people are just as stupid as the other. I have problems with both sides who can't seem to keep their mouth shuts and let people believe in what they want too. And i highly doubt that any of you fully understand the article all so you see is "LOL RELIGION MAKES YOU STUPID!" This is only going to fuel a argument that makes both sides look like complete idiots. I often see stupid people who are atheists - i guess there is a correlation between atheism and stupidity. All i have to say is can you prove god exists? can you prove he doesn't exist? No, so both sides shut up. Move on with your lives, someone believing in god (Or not believing) isn't going to effect your daily lives. I know the article is about the fact loss of certain parts of the brain are linked with acceptance of religion, but i can see all these other posts don't get that so. I was posting that relating to that, not the article itself.[/QUOTE] Prove that you don't have a massive invisible dick growing out your fucking forehead right now. Yes, I believe in letting people think what they want, as long as it doesn't affect anyone negatively. Yeah, I'm stupid because I don't believe in an invisible man in the sky who'll damn me to eternal ass rape because I'm human. ~ignorant/uneducated third world country originating ghost raters rating~
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20164711]What is the logical reason for the existence of everything?[/QUOTE] [quote]In the absence of logic, people decide to turn to the paranormal. Eventually we will find out why.[/quote]You can replace logic with knowledge if you like. We lack the knowledge so people turn to religion. We don't know why we're here, but it doesn't mean we have divine origins. Look at science 500 years go, look how far we've come.
Great Odin's Raven, so far this thread has had no posters but idiotic atheists and mumbling "I believe in science too!" Christians. "Move on with your lives, someone believing in god (Or not believing) isn't going to effect your daily lives." Go. Out. Side.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20164711]What is the logical reason for the existence of everything?[/QUOTE] It is inconceivable. This is why that I am okay with people making up stories (The Bible) to calm themselves over this. We as humans want to know, but when we hit that wall of knowledge and absurdity, it's a terrifying shock.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;20164165]Keep telling yourself that[/QUOTE] I don't understand people who post like this. It's like they believe 75% of the world is full of morons who droll in a corner all day. Almost every great person in the world had some sort of religion. I just don't get it.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20164765]It is inconceivable. This is why that I am okay with people making up stories (The Bible) to calm themselves over this. We as humans want to know, but when we hit that wall of knowledge and absurdity, it's a terrifying shock.[/QUOTE] Space is inconceivable. All these weird anomalies and such that no one a hundred years ago could even imagine. A chunk of matter so massive, it sucks light in. If you were to come too close, you'd turn into a long "piece of spaghetti." Undetectable matter that cannot be measured, but we can imply it's existance from it's gravitational effect. Doesn't mean they can't exist.
[QUOTE=Sprocket Shit;20164759]Great Odin's Raven, so far this thread has had no posters but idiotic atheists and mumbling "I believe in science too!" Christians. "Move on with your lives, someone believing in god (Or not believing) isn't going to effect your daily lives." Go. Out. Side.[/QUOTE] What is a dull life worth living, I'd argue. These topics and debates enrich day to day life. I don't have any obligations I need to attend to, so I'm having fun. This is what I do, I share my opinion hoping it will make people see on a larger scale. I also enjoy the argument.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;20164784]I don't understand people who post like this. It's like they believe 75% of the world is full of morons who droll in a corner all day. Almost every great person in the world had some sort of religion. I just don't get it.[/QUOTE] They didn't become great because they believed in religion.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20164801]Space is inconceivable. All these weird anomalies and such that no one a hundred years ago could even imagine. A chunk of matter so massive, it sucks light in. If you were to come too close, you'd turn into a long "piece of spaghetti." Undetectable matter that cannot be measured, but we can imply it's existance from it's gravitational effect. Doesn't mean they can't exist.[/QUOTE] But the fact that you could think of such fantastic things means that they are possible (in a plausible sense, remember to separate Faith and Science). Like I said, how can you think of a meaning for our existence. Sciences comes and goes, but Greek philosophers thousands of years ago were discussing the same thing we are right now, "Why?"
[QUOTE=Levithan;20162148]When I realized that in the end anything I have ever or ever will have done adds up to nothing against the vastness and eternity of space I started screaming but I don't scream as much now that I have forced myself to forget. :buddy:[/QUOTE] It's funny because if you google that the first result is this thread.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20164817]But the fact that you could think of such fantastic things means that they are possible (in a plausible sense, remember to separate Faith and Science). Like I said, how can you think of a meaning for our existence. Sciences comes and goes, but Greek philosophers thousands of years ago were discussing the same thing we are right now, "Why?"[/QUOTE] And "Why?" is a stupid fucking question. What's gonna happen when we find out for sure? Our goals in life will change? World peace? You'll kill yourself if you find out that there really is no god damn purpose to life? It's a stupid question, a waste of time and a waste of thought. We are alive, and that is really all we need to know.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20164817]But the fact that you could think of such fantastic things means that they are possible (in a plausible sense, remember to separate Faith and Science). Like I said, how can you think of a meaning for our existence. Sciences comes and goes, but Greek philosophers thousands of years ago were discussing the same thing we are right now, "Why?"[/QUOTE] You should be a philospher. Most people have realized that "why?" will never be answered. The more you try to answer, the more questions that pop up.
[QUOTE=Sprocket Shit;20164863]And "Why?" is a stupid fucking question. What's gonna happen when we find out for sure? Our goals in life will change? World peace? You'll kill yourself if you find out that there really is no god damn purpose to life? It's a stupid question, a waste of time and a waste of thought. We are alive, and that is really all we need to know.[/QUOTE] Get rid of your computer then. Because that is a product of asking Why and How.
[QUOTE=Sprocket Shit;20164863]And "Why?" is a stupid fucking question. What's gonna happen when we find out for sure? Our goals in life will change? World peace? You'll kill yourself if you find out that there really is no god damn purpose to life? It's a stupid question, a waste of time and a waste of thought. We are alive, and that is really all we need to know.[/QUOTE] If I found there was no purpose to life I would probably chuckle and then try to enjoy this weird human experience to the best that my emotions let me.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;20164891]Get rid of your computer then. Because that is a product of asking Why and How.[/QUOTE] Wow, you're so smart! The why he was talking about is the why are we here. Go back to school and learn how to read.
[QUOTE=Sprocket Shit;20164863]And "Why?" is a stupid fucking question. What's gonna happen when we find out for sure? Our goals in life will change? World peace? You'll kill yourself if you find out that there really is no god damn purpose to life? It's a stupid question, a waste of time and a waste of thought. We are alive, and that is really all we need to know.[/QUOTE] What is the point of that? We're supposed to proceed with day to day life, living as drones and zombies of something larger and never wonder why? You don't want enlightenment? You don't want to know? You're an odd fellow indeed. Personally, my only goal in life IS enlightenment. That is why I read on philosophy, math, science, anything that gets me one step closer like a madman. But I also formulate and present my own philosophies. Why (dumb fucking question there again)? Because it puts me one step closer to what I crave most. That isn't to say I don't enjoy life as it is, however. I have to live for something in the meantime.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20164817]But the fact that you could think of such fantastic things means that they are possible (in a plausible sense, remember to separate Faith and Science). Like I said, how can you think of a meaning for our existence. Sciences comes and goes, but Greek philosophers thousands of years ago were discussing the same thing we are right now, "Why?"[/QUOTE] The greatest Greek Philosophers did not discussing things on the scale of the Hadron Collider.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20164912]If I found there was no purpose to life I would probably chuckle and then try to enjoy this weird human experience to the best that my emotions let me.[/QUOTE] Then just assume there is no purpose and enjoy life :buddy:
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