Spirituality (and lack thereof) linked to specific areas of brain
194 replies, posted
Nah, it's too late now, you can argue about religion all you want or whatever it is you're doing
[QUOTE=Teal Moose;20165257]Aww. ):
Looks like we need to relocate the debate to a more appropriate area.[/QUOTE]
Lets take this fight outside then :clint:
In any case, this is very related to the OP, and a pretty great watch:
[url]http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight.html[/url]
[QUOTE=TH89;20165241]Congratulations, you've taken a high school science class.
That doesn't make you a scientist.[/QUOTE]
You have to see what he really means. Science today is a lot about discovering shit just for corporations to make money, it's not about the old scientific model.
What are you guys fighting about?
[QUOTE=TH89;20165287]What are you guys fighting about?[/QUOTE]
Lifestyles, religion, spirituality, the usual. I wish I could glorify it beyond that but yeah, we're fighting the same fight just about everyone else has.
[QUOTE=TH89;20165214]Changed thread title
Stop spinning the news and starting shitfights you guys[/QUOTE]
It's a forum..
Would you rather have no one post and have no discussions at all?
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20165281]You have to see what he really means. Science today is a lot about discovering shit just for corporations to make money, it's not about the old scientific model.[/QUOTE]
maybe because discovering shit for corporations is the only way to get funding.
You're welcome to fund science projects whenever you want you know, if you're such a big fan of the "old scientific model"
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;20164784]I don't understand people who post like this. It's like they believe 75% of the world is full of morons who droll in a corner all day. Almost every great person in the world had some sort of religion. I just don't get it.[/QUOTE]
There are an awful lot of morons around.
Great people, eh? I'd say that more often than not their perceived greatness isn't linked with their religion.
Yes, people can be religious and smart at the same time. Like they have the religious part and then smart part, each are generally seperate although that depends on the "religion"
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20165281]You have to see what he really means. Science today is a lot about discovering shit just for corporations to make money, it's not about the old scientific model.[/QUOTE]
The "old scientific model" is incredibly basic shit that they teach to little kids to introduce them to science. It's not some kind of transcendental source of science nirvana.
Also you don't know very much about science. Most groundbreaking science today is done by researchers at universities, not for corporations.
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[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20165297]It's a forum..
Would you rather have no one post and have no discussions at all?[/QUOTE]
Ideally, you guys would treat the news section with some degree of journalistic integrity, and supply information as-is instead of trying to filter it beforehand so that everyone agrees with you.
Emperor Scorpious II is pretty good at presenting stories neutrally, even if he cherrypicks them a little bit. But so do I, so I can't really point fingers.
[QUOTE=TH89;20165287]What are you guys fighting about?[/QUOTE]
I think you're over dramatizing this thread, I've seen it as a calm insightful debate about life.
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[QUOTE=TH89;20165317]The "old scientific model" is incredibly basic shit that they teach to little kids to introduce them to science. It's not some kind of transcendental source of science nirvana.
Also you don't know very much about science. Most groundbreaking science today is done by researchers at universities, not for corporations.
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Ideally, you guys would treat the news section with some degree of journalistic integrity, and supply information as-is instead of trying to filter it beforehand so that everyone agrees with you.
Emperor Scorpious II is pretty good at presenting stories neutrally, even if he cherrypicks them a little bit. But so do I, so I can't really point fingers.[/QUOTE]
What I mean is living a life of science, spiritually if you will. Live by the scientific model.
[QUOTE=TH89;20165317]The "old scientific model" is incredibly basic shit that they teach to little kids to introduce them to science. It's not some kind of transcendental source of science nirvana.
Also you don't know very much about science. Most groundbreaking science today is done by researchers at universities, not for corporations.[/QUOTE]
Well I would have to partially agree with you on this. Most of it is done by researchers and not the guys at Darpa seeking to make immortal war machines. I probably looked like an ass how I worded that, there isn't anything wrong with modern science, it's just differentiated with its origins. We seek to answer to the same questions, but why we do such may not be for the "right" reasons. What I deem as right is my own opinion though. There are pros and cons to both systems and whether drifting away is bad or good is debatable. Coincidentally we've been doing a lot of that here.
[QUOTE=TH89;20165317]
Ideally, you guys would treat the news section with some degree of journalistic integrity, and supply information as-is instead of trying to filter it beforehand so that everyone agrees with you.
Emperor Scorpious II is pretty good at presenting stories neutrally, even if he cherrypicks them a little bit. But so do I, so I can't really point fingers.[/QUOTE]
But that's why we post articles, so people can read the original source and not your edited post.
You can't avoid the discussions that come after threads are posted, they are inevitable.
Also, who's that pedo in your avatar?
[QUOTE=TH89;20165287]What are you guys fighting about?[/QUOTE]
Science and religion. What else does anyone on Facepunch argue about?
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20165336]What I mean is living a life of science, spiritually if you will. Live by the scientific model.[/QUOTE]
How? The scientific method isn't meant to provide spiritual guidance, it's a way to ensure that data collection is done in a thorough and universal manner.
[QUOTE=TH89;20165416]How? The scientific method isn't meant to provide spiritual guidance, it's a way to ensure that data collection is done in a thorough and universal manner.[/QUOTE]
This can assist in spirituality though. Having accurate data available reliably to the masses allows them to better base their opinions and draw conclusions. If you're like me, this is important. I try to build off what we already know, but this ties philosophy into science a bit too much. What I mean is, I'm not a scientist of the caliber of these fellows who are breaking new ground, but I like to try and keep up. So I do what I know how to; I form beliefs based off of spirituality and science. I know I'm tying too much shit together and putting things where they aren't supposed to be. This would mean I'm going about enlightenment the wrong way, but I hopefully have a long time to get it right.
[QUOTE=TH89;20165416]How? The scientific method isn't meant to provide spiritual guidance, it's a way to ensure that data collection is done in a thorough and universal manner.[/QUOTE]
I meant this:
[QUOTE=Teal Moose;20165213]
When I do lie on my deathbed, I will take pride in the fact I looked for something in a world of nothing. I don't want your money, I don't want your recognition, and I certainly don't want your lifestyle. I don't see how I can simplify or justify anything beyond that.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20165411]But that's why we post articles, so people can read the original source and not your edited post.[/QUOTE]
Most people don't read the original source. They read the title and maybe skim the source and then post.
When the OP has a biased or misleading thread title that leads people to side with him because they don't objectively understand the story, you can't have a meaningful discussion.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20165411]You can't avoid the discussions that come after threads are posted, they are enviable.[/QUOTE]
I think you mean inevitable.
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[QUOTE=Nyaos;20165476]I meant this:[/QUOTE]
What does that mean? "A world of nothing?" I can walk five steps and see a million different things. The rest of it is just vague stuff about lifestyles that's meaningless out of context.
[QUOTE=claythepro;20163304]I love god =)[/QUOTE]
Why? He/She/It doesn't seem to give a shit about you or anybody else
[QUOTE=TH89;20165506]
What does that mean? "A world of nothing?" I can walk five steps and see a million different things. The rest of it is just vague stuff about lifestyles that's meaningless out of context.[/QUOTE]
I cannot explain to you how to live your life, it is merely a lifestyle that accepts no defined meaning, that allows for creation of our own meaning through search and scientifically styled inquiry.
[QUOTE=TH89;20165506]Most people don't read the original source. They read the title and maybe skim the source and then post.
When the OP has a biased or misleading thread title that leads people to side with him because they don't objectively understand the story, you can't have a meaningful discussion.
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Though that may be true, some people read the articles, and most people demand there at least be one.
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I think you mean inevitable.[/QUOTE]Indeed I do good sir.
[QUOTE=TH89;20165317]
Emperor Scorpious II is pretty good at presenting stories neutrally, even if he cherrypicks them a little bit. But so do I, so I can't really point fingers.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I try my best.
I only really give what will spark debate, not something that throws to one side or another.
Even when I'm posting from Fox, I try for stories that aren't explosively aimed toward one side.
As for the cherry picking.....I'm not perfect, sorry.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20165584]I cannot explain to you how to live your life, it is merely a lifestyle that accepts no defined meaning, that allows for creation of our own meaning through search and scientifically styled inquiry.[/QUOTE]
you appear to be trying (and failing) to sound as deep and cryptic as possible
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20165584]I cannot explain to you how to live your life, it is merely a lifestyle that accepts no defined meaning, that allows for creation of our own meaning through search and scientifically styled inquiry.[/QUOTE]
What you're doing is pseudoscience. It's nonsense.
Actual science has one goal: the understanding of mechanical natural processes. It helps you find out how things work. It doesn't tell you how to live and it never has.
[QUOTE=TH89;20165506]*lots of quotes and counter-arguments*[/QUOTE]
One fellow up above said that through seeking enlightenment, I will achieve "nothing". So I called his way of going through life without seeking answers "nothing". I can have of material possessions and be happy not wondering anything, but in my mind, that would be accomplishing nothing. I don't mean it as in material is nothing. Physically, it is something and it does exist. Material is not a bad thing either, I can look around my room and see a lot of things I and other spent money on that I enjoy to use. I like these things. But above them I would like enlightenment.
Wow I'm full of typos today.
[QUOTE=TH89;20165639]What you're doing is pseudoscience. It's nonsense.
Actual science has one goal: the understanding of mechanical natural processes. It helps you find out how things work. It doesn't tell you how to live and it never has.[/QUOTE]
No, Pseudoscience would be adapting that personal thought into actual theory, like a religion. We ALL use science in every day life. We try a candy bar. The taste was unpleasant. We can conclude that this candy bar does not invoke happiness. To make the belief then, that every candy bar of the sort does not invoke happiness, would be pseudoscience.
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[QUOTE=KaIibos;20165620]you appear to be trying (and failing) to sound as deep and cryptic as possible[/QUOTE]
Thanks
[QUOTE=Teal Moose;20165644]One fellow up above said that through seeking enlightenment, I will achieve "nothing". So I called his way of going through life without seeking answers "nothing". I can have of material possessions and be happy not wondering anything, but in my mind, that would be accomplishing nothing. I don't mean it as in material is nothing. Physically, it is something and it does exist. Material is not a bad thing either, I can look around my room and see a lot of things I and other spent money on that I enjoy to use. I like these things. But above them I would like enlightenment.[/QUOTE]
I figured there must be some context to it.
But what is "enlightenment?" What knowledge are you looking for, specifically?
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[QUOTE=Nyaos;20165684]No, Pseudoscience would be adapting that personal thought into actual theory, like a religion. We ALL use science in every day life. We try a candy bar. The taste was unpleasant. We can conclude that this candy bar does not invoke happiness. To make the belief then, that every candy bar of the sort does not invoke happiness, would be pseudoscience.[/QUOTE]
That's a very poor use of "invoke." You shouldn't try to write above your vocabulary level, fyi
In any case, that's not science. That's logic. It's an intrinsic part of the mind, which science happens to be founded on. But using it doesn't make you special. It certainly doesn't make you a scientist.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;20164959]Because we are more advanced than they were scientifically.
And "The meaning of life" is simple as all hell.
Reproduction and continuation of the species.[/QUOTE]
Good job looking at the question like the average drone.
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[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;20164190]Perhaps Atheists are defensive because a lot of the time religious fanatics were batshit insane and liked to prosecute people for their beliefs.[/QUOTE]
Like what's happening in this thread, and every other thread mentioning religion on any forum on the Internet, right?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;20164507]The world today has raped science over. Anything a scientist says anymore becomes more political than scientific. Global Warming, case in point.[/QUOTE]
Dammit Scorpious! We need to have a talk about this.
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