• Kim Jong-Un tells his troops to prepare for "all-out war"
    226 replies, posted
Problem is, China probably won't back the US in an invasion if something actually happens. Reasoning being that China is already skittish about the US having a fleet and multiple bases just a few hundred miles from their mainland, and China and the US are huge rivals. If NK did launch missiles, or bomb SK, the US might get support from NATO, possibly just arms or troops as well, possibly even arms support from Russia, but China will most likely just give moral support or not get involved. That, until the end of the conflict, in which they would probably express interest in having greater control over Korea so as to prevent the US being on their metaphorical doorstep. I also think that the US would be going this alone in terms of troop deployments and actual military engagement. It sucks, but most countries in the western world appear to be more about defensive military action or limited support of allies in need. The only countries that I can remember that have given significant military involvement in coalition operations have been the UK, Canada, France and some others. Correct me if I am wrong, but I do worry that US troops might be facing the fire and taking the brunt of the operations if Kim Jong Un really is this much of a idiot.
[QUOTE=faze;39846474]What the fuck is there to worry about? South Korea could wipe them out in a heartbeat. Stop worrying so damn much about nothing. They're the dingleberry on China's ass. Not to mention the fact that their ground troops are just as starving as the rest of them. Their pilots get like 4 hours of training per year on shitty MiGs.[/QUOTE] "Yeah, let's turn our backs on a nuke (small, mind you, probably 10-15kt) and the potential for military action and/or dirty bombs. Not like they'll do anything." Those little yappy dogs always turn on you when you turn your back on them. Thinking that we're just going to go "MURICA" on them or that South Korea could instantly pacify them is fucking fantasy land. People are worrying because if/when North Korea acts; [b]people are going to die.[/b] That's reason enough to worry.
I don't get why people keep repeating this "hahahaha the rocket will blow up in the launchpad" nonsense. They already have a satellite up in space. They have completely functional rockets. The NASA Technical Reports Server is just as open for them as it is for your or me. They may not have a Saturn V but they got a satellite to fly over the eastern seaboard without getting shot down. If they want to mount a nuclear device on a rocket and fly it towards Seoul they certainly have the capability to do so.
I doubt China would enter the war on the side of the NK's. Attacking your biggest customer when you are sitting on the largest economic bubble is a sure way to make things shit for everyone. Any physical conflict with the US from China is almost a sure way to get US to pull most all business out of the country.
[QUOTE=faze;39846474]What the fuck is there to worry about? South Korea could wipe them out in a heartbeat. Stop worrying so damn much about nothing. They're the dingleberry on China's ass. Not to mention the fact that their ground troops are just as starving as the rest of them. Their pilots get like 4 hours of training per year on shitty MiGs.[/QUOTE] I'm worried because in a war, regardless of whether or not we beat NK, people die. I don't want people to die.
This is starting to get worrisome, NK dickwaves a lot but they're just going nuts with it this week, plus the cutting off of all communications and getting rid of the non-aggression pact.
[QUOTE=ajrhug;39846457][video=youtube;I5ST5l14xRo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5ST5l14xRo[/video] thread music..?[/QUOTE] It's weird to think about how much the leadership in Korea has changed since Sejong. Benevolent, giving king to basketball-loving, defunctional-bomb-making dictator.
Here's what I don't fucking get. We have to operate on the assumption that North Korea's officials know the score. They must know EXACTLY what they're doing. They must also know that they're fucked if they start a war, and we have to assume they don't WANT to be fucked. Why, then, would they behave this way? What don't we know?
[QUOTE=faze;39846474]What the fuck is there to worry about? South Korea could wipe them out in a heartbeat. Stop worrying so damn much about nothing. They're the dingleberry on China's ass. Not to mention the fact that their ground troops are just as starving as the rest of them. Their pilots get like 4 hours of training per year on shitty MiGs.[/QUOTE] Underestimating the enemy is one of the worst mistakes you can make.
[QUOTE=archangel125;39846644]Here's what I don't fucking get. We have to operate on the assumption that North Korea's officials know the score. They must know EXACTLY what they're doing. They must also know that they're fucked if they start a war, and we have to assume they don't WANT to be fucked. Why, then, would they behave this way? What don't we know?[/QUOTE] I'm just running on guesses here, but aren't they mostly isolated from the rest of the world? I mean, try to even look for north korean video games. Most are shit you'd see on an N64. Then again, it is a place where the majority of effort is set into the military workforce. Maybe they honestly see themselves as a military supergroup because the rest of the world isn't set so far into military buildup. Another theory could be that they think world budget cuts mainly around military will score them an advantage.
[QUOTE=archangel125;39846644]Here's what I don't fucking get. We have to operate on the assumption that North Korea's officials know the score. They must know EXACTLY what they're doing. They must also know that they're fucked if they start a war, and we have to assume they don't WANT to be fucked. Why, then, would they behave this way? What don't we know?[/QUOTE] What are the officials going to say? The civilians? No? Then they'll be sent off to the hard labor/torture/death camps, yeah real good options. Most of those generals are people just like you and I, a good portion probably know what they are up against, and they know it will fail(at best a good amount defect during the fighting, using it as a way to cover their tracks). They probably know what they are up against, and know full well many won't make it. But what else is there to do? Be tourtued the rest of your life? Or lead a country into a losing war where the communist government will be overthrown and there is a chance for freedom?
My uncle is on the DMZ with ROK forces. They're on the highest alert level.
ITT everyone falls for North Korean propaganda good job everyone
fucking why would you want to just bomb and kill hundreds of thousands of people instead of collaborating to become BETTER?
[QUOTE=Foogooman;39846814]ITT everyone falls for North Korean propaganda good job everyone[/QUOTE] No one is falling for anything, we are looking at the information given and speculating the outcome. When Kim Jong Il was in office there were skirmishes with islands and such, but Un is really something else, cutting the hotline and blowing off treaties is serious offenses. Hell even China is turning against them, and warning of impending escalations.
[QUOTE=SatansSin;39846815]fucking why would you want to just bomb and kill hundreds of thousands of people instead of collaborating to become BETTER?[/QUOTE] Because dictators are fucking crazy. An excerpt from Carl Sagan's 'Pale Blue Dot' [quote]The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.[/quote]
I really don't think NK has what it takes to be anything but a minor annoyance to anything that isn't an insignificant power.
[QUOTE=SatansSin;39846815]fucking why would you want to just bomb and kill hundreds of thousands of people instead of collaborating to become BETTER?[/QUOTE] Because they already think they are the best and everyone else is inferior.
[QUOTE=Spacewolf;39846604]I'm worried because in a war, regardless of whether or not we beat NK, people die. I don't want people to die.[/QUOTE] People die in droves in North Korea. Prison camps in North Korea hold an estimated 150,000-200,000 people, and 10,000 are estimated to die per year through starvation, forced labor, chemical weapons testing, exposure, or simple brutality. Make no mistake, people are dying regardless of the course of action which is taken. I don't advocate an unprovoked war with North Korea. War is terrible. But if they attack, I have no qualms with a counter-offensive, and I doubt anyone else will. At the very least maybe an end can be put to their sick, inhumane bullshit.
Guys, what if the North Koreans have dug a fifth [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone#Incursion_tunnels]tunnel[/URL] and are trying to sneak the bomb into Seoul through it?
Kim Jong-Un is just upset that he cant play sim city
[QUOTE=froztshock;39846934]People die in droves in North Korea. Prison camps in North Korea hold an estimated 150,000-200,000 people, and 10,000 are estimated to die per year through starvation, forced labor, chemical weapons testing, exposure, or simple brutality. Make no mistake, people are dying regardless of the course of action which is taken. I don't advocate an unprovoked war with North Korea. War is terrible. But if they attack, I have no qualms with a counter-offensive, and I doubt anyone else will. At the very least maybe an end can be put to their sick, inhumane bullshit.[/QUOTE] I know that, I'm talking about the South Koreans and everyone else as well.
NK is starting to become that kid who always make violent and childish threats against people. Nobody takes them seriously. Until they find all the mutilated cats that were missing in some shack in the woods.
[QUOTE=InUndenial;39846905]I really don't think NK has what it takes to be anything but a minor annoyance to anything that isn't an insignificant power.[/QUOTE] that's what the USSR thought of Finland in 1939 and Finland wasn't even a batshit crazy near-suicidal dictatorship living in the la-la land
Well, this has been a subtle mobilization so far.
Finland was facing a badly disorganized red army across land with terrible infrastructure during winter. During 1939.
If it weren't for the mass of brainwashed citizenry and probability of immediate, population-wide mobilization, North Korea would be an "easy" enemy to combat. However, we all know they would send hordes of humanity into the guns of NATO, and Seoul would take severe hits unless we immediately knock out their artillery.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;39845983]Don't start this shit again.[/QUOTE] Even if they put up a fair fight if everyone else pitched in then yeah umm... NK WOULD be pretty screwed. They have cold war era everything after all.
[QUOTE=Teh Soviet;39846401]Going to post this again: North Korea is not going to be an easy country to beat, stop shitting on them. They have one of the largest militaries in the word. They have over A MILLION active military personnel, and are capable of conscripting six more million whenever shit goes south. They have stockpiles and stockpiles of tanks and artillery, the latter of which is aimed at Seoul ( So, in the end, the capital of South Korea WILL be blown to smithereens, many will die, and it will take years to repair and rebuild. ) They also have something like twenty nuclear silos, and we know they can shoot at least as far as Japan, meaning they can at will destroy South Korea. We don't know if those warheads can be intercepted in such a short distance. Secondly, the North Korean military strategy and regime and just about everything is designed to counter the United States. They KNOW they have crappier equipment, and so they have designed tactics to circumvent that. Their propaganda statues are positioned at main roads to be destroyed and used as road blocks, they have bomb shelters in their apartment building, on and so forth. USA can't just NUKE them, nobody would let them, they would be killing countless of millions of innocent oppressed people. As for air superiority, sure, but - . . . Technology doesn't win in the air all the time, either. Serbia shot down supposedly 'invisible' American spy plains with old Russian equipment, probably as old or older than what North Korea has. In finality, that'd be the bloodiest, cruellest war since WW2, and none of you should be looking forward to it. Millions will die.[/QUOTE] It's going to happen at some point and if shit's gonna go down I might as well be alive to witness it.
I really don't think there will be a war or any sort of true double-sided conflict. The NK government isn't this stupid. For one thing, we don't know if they have nuclear weapons. I really don't think they do. For another, we don't know if they have the technology to successfully arm missiles with warheads, assuming they do have nukes. We also know the NK government keeps both eyes open on world events, so they are well aware if they do ANYTHING of the type they are threatening to do, they will be condemned more-so than any potential DIRTY AMERICAN INVADERS. No matter what angle you look at this from, NK loses, big time. They aren't this stupid. I wish they were, but they're not.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.