fail0verflow Hacks the PS4, Plays Pokemon with linux on it - Polidicks

[QUOTE=megafat;49426481]Wasn't pirating games for the Dreamcast as easy as copying the game onto another disc? Or did i completely make that up in my head?[/QUOTE] Ripping the disks is a little hard because of the gdrom format, but it would just read games off of regular cd-roms anyway. And just like any system, it doesnt matter how hard it is to extract the software from its original format, as long as distributing and using the software after its been extracted is easy, it will be popular with end users.

[QUOTE=paul simon;49425874]It was difficult, not shitty. The thing was pretty powerful when used right. Also, PS3 was IBM, PS4 is AMD. There's no Intel here.[/QUOTE] Fair enough that its AMD, but all the shit about the cell being 'difficult' was marketing bullshit. Especially when Hideo Kojima claimed that a full blu-ray was still not enough for him. Sorry but that is complete horse shit. If it was 'powerful' at any level (and I recall seeing documents stating the cell would be appropriate for a multitude of devices) then Sony only has to blame itself for tying down its shitty proprietary technology so much that they shot themselves in the foot. Fuck Sony, and fuck their shitty proprietary technology forever.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49426882]Fair enough that its AMD, but all the shit about the cell being 'difficult' was marketing bullshit. Especially when Hideo Kojima claimed that a full blu-ray was still not enough for him. Sorry but that is complete horse shit. If it was 'powerful' at any level (and I recall seeing documents stating the cell would be appropriate for a multitude of devices) then Sony only has to blame itself for tying down its shitty proprietary technology so much that they shot themselves in the foot. Fuck Sony, and fuck their shitty proprietary technology forever.[/QUOTE] The PS3 was also kinda difficult to develop for, even for those used to PS2 [URL]http://www.cnet.com/news/sony-ps3-is-hard-to-develop-for-on-purpose[/URL] The news were flooded with such statements a little time after its release. Which lead to the initial "PS3 has no games" joke.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49426882]Fair enough that its AMD, but all the shit about the cell being 'difficult' was marketing bullshit. Especially when Hideo Kojima claimed that a full blu-ray was still not enough for him. Sorry but that is complete horse shit. If it was 'powerful' at any level (and I recall seeing documents stating the cell would be appropriate for a multitude of devices) then Sony only has to blame itself for tying down its shitty proprietary technology so much that they shot themselves in the foot. Fuck Sony, and fuck their shitty proprietary technology forever.[/QUOTE] it was difficult, especially in an era when most programmers were only used to developing for dual core PC processors

"But this isn't piracy! Sony has no reason to fight it!" And yet the very first demonstration of their hack was to boot up a pirated game on an emulator. I'm all for opening up console hardware, especially for the tools that such a thing can provide to legitimate users, but you're seriously fooling yourself if you think Sony has no reason to fight back against this kind of thing. Opening up consoles [I]will[/I] lead to piracy, even if there are plenty of other benefits for legitimate users. Though that isn't to say that I don't appreciate homebrew. I use save file backup tools and game improvement hacks all the time on other consoles like the DS. The 3DS and Wii U are systems that really need it so people can defeat the stupid region locks. [QUOTE=.Lain;49426137]piracy can kill consoles. see the dreamcast[/QUOTE] No, the Dreamcast died because of the PS2. Sega was losing money on Dreamcast production from the get-go, and then Sony came along and annihilated them by undercutting the Dreamcast's price with the PS2's, having DVD integration and movie playback, and launching an aggressive and strategically-timed marketing campaign. The Dreamcast crashed and burned right off the runway. Piracy can't do that.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49426882]Fair enough that its AMD, [B]but all the shit about the cell being 'difficult' was marketing bullshit.[/B] Especially when Hideo Kojima claimed that a full blu-ray was still not enough for him. Sorry but that is complete horse shit. If it was 'powerful' at any level (and I recall seeing documents stating the cell would be appropriate for a multitude of devices) then Sony only has to blame itself for tying down its shitty proprietary technology so much that they shot themselves in the foot. Fuck Sony, and fuck their shitty proprietary technology forever.[/QUOTE] How was it marketing bullshit? That was literally the biggest problem with the PS3, devs having to overcome the unusual architecture of the Cell. I have no idea what the proprietary stuff you're complaining is about. It's a console, of course things are proprietary.

[QUOTE=.Lain;49426137]piracy can kill consoles. see the dreamcast[/QUOTE] Even with piracy people would've needed to buy the console in the first place.

[QUOTE=Plaster;49427226]Even with piracy people would've needed to buy the console in the first place.[/QUOTE] Hardware sales are generally not that profitable. With the last generation of consoles, I think each company barring Nintendo had to sell two or three games to actually start making money. At full price might I add. Piracy can kill consoles. Developers become averse to actually developing on the platform knowing that people might not buy the game if the piracy method is stupidly simple. And most consoles only have primitive DRM as the OS is assumed to be somewhat secure compared to a PC or Mac.

[QUOTE=paul simon;49427197]How was it marketing bullshit? That was literally the biggest problem with the PS3, devs having to overcome the unusual architecture of the Cell. I have no idea what the proprietary stuff you're complaining is about. It's a console, of course things are proprietary.[/QUOTE] Sorry I more meant that all the shit about it being next-gen was bullshit; it didn't really bring anything special to the table that was useful to an end consumer. As for proprietary shit: [img]http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/6403640/78/553/Sony-256-megabyte-Memory-Stick-PRO-Duo-Removable-Storage-Media-L14013773.jpg[/img] Sony is pretty much the worst company on earth. They even surpass Apple. Hope they die soon.

Yeah, Sony is the worst company on earth. Like, I literally can't think of any other company who could possibly be worse. Seriously, no other company is as evil and bastard-y as Sony, that's for absolutely certain.

[QUOTE=.Lain;49426137]piracy can kill consoles. see the dreamcast[/QUOTE] Then explain the PS2, PSP, and Nintendo DS's success.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;49427635]Yeah, Sony is the worst company on earth. Like, I literally can't think of any other company who could possibly be worse. Seriously, no other company is as evil and bastard-y as Sony, that's for absolutely certain.[/QUOTE] Gaming wise, Konami, King, etc. General company wise, well, Bank of America, Monsanto, etc. [editline]31st December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=LegndNikko;49427645]Then explain the PS2, PSP, and Nintendo DS's success.[/QUOTE] oh, and the wii.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49427608]Sorry I more meant that all the shit about it being next-gen was bullshit; it didn't really bring anything special to the table that was useful to an end consumer. As for proprietary shit: [img]http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/6403640/78/553/Sony-256-megabyte-Memory-Stick-PRO-Duo-Removable-Storage-Media-L14013773.jpg[/img] Sony is pretty much the worst company on earth. They even surpass Apple. Hope they die soon.[/QUOTE] You need to calm down a bit :v: "Next gen" is a marketing gimmick, but the PS3 was pretty powerful. Why is Sony not allowed to have their own memory cards? The form factor was introduced in 1998, and has been used in lots of shit since. The updated variants of the Memory Stick (Pro Duo) are still in use in lots of products today. The more common SD card format was introduced in 1999, and today it does dominate over then MS Pro Duo. But why does that make the MS cards bad? They came first.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;49427656]Gaming wise, Konami, King, etc. General company wise, well, Bank of America, Monsanto, etc. [editline]31st December 2015[/editline] oh, and the wii.[/QUOTE] Its not just about gaming--its about a company that has time and time again tried to strangle the market with proprietary technology. Memorysticks, DRM, rootkits, blu-ray, Cell processor etc etc etc. Blu-ray specifically has to go down as one of the worst technological steps in recent years.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49427678]Its not just about gaming--its about a company that has time and time again tried to strangle the market with proprietary technology. Memorysticks, DRM, rootkits, blu-ray, Cell processor etc etc etc. Blu-ray specifically has to go down as one of the worst technological steps in recent years.[/QUOTE] Blu-ray, really? Why?

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;49427685]Blu-ray, really? Why?[/QUOTE] Because everything is moving towards downloads or solid state memory; Blu-ray was a time waster.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49427678]Its not just about gaming--its about a company that has time and time again tried to strangle the market with proprietary technology. Memorysticks, DRM, rootkits, blu-ray, Cell processor etc etc etc. Blu-ray specifically has to go down as one of the worst technological steps in recent years.[/QUOTE] Ok you're just incredibly biased :v: What's wrong with Blu-ray? It's the logical step up from DVDs. It may end up being the last big optical format, but it damn well served us well. Also, Sony didn't develop Blu-ray. The Blu-ray Disc Association did. Every console has DRM. This is to prevent piracy. Steam is also a form of DRM. You'll have to elaborate on the "rootkits" thing.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49427678] Blu-ray specifically has to go down as one of the worst technological steps in recent years.[/QUOTE] Are you high? Seriously, what's so awful about blu-rays, I'm genuinely curious.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49427704]Because everything is moving towards downloads or solid state memory; Blu-ray was a time waster.[/QUOTE] Solid state isn't cheap enough, and not everyone can download big files since of bandwidth caps, horrible internet speeds, etc.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49427704]Because everything is moving towards downloads or solid state memory; Blu-ray was a time waster.[/QUOTE] Imagine how expensive 50GB solid state cartridges would be in 2007. Blu-ray was incredibly useful, and it brought 1080p movies to the masses.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49427704]Because everything is moving towards downloads or solid state memory; Blu-ray was a time waster.[/QUOTE] Look at the average internet in countries like America. Disregarding the speed, data caps are still way too common to justify a bigger push towards digital distribution.

[QUOTE=paul simon;49427709]Ok you're just incredibly biased :v: What's wrong with Blu-ray? It's the logical step up from DVDs. It may end up being the last big optical format, but it damn well served us well. Also, Sony didn't develop Blu-ray. The Blu-ray Disc Association did. Every console has DRM. This is to prevent piracy. Steam is also a form of DRM. You'll have to elaborate on the "rootkits" thing.[/QUOTE] Its simply my opinion that Blu-ray is shit and that it was a time waster. Rather than pushing internet speeds faster, we were given a shitty option to get movies. The problem with physical media like blu-rays are that they elongate the existence of region protection, region blocking etc. Again, my opinion. Its not like Sony is doing that well financially, nor have they been for the past several years. They used to make good TVs, now plenty of other brands do. There is literally no 'killer app' that Sony produces. [editline]31st December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;49427726]Look at the average internet in countries like America. Disregarding the speed, data caps are still way too common to justify a bigger push towards digital distribution.[/QUOTE] Except every single person on this forum likely uses digital distribution. With every push towards digital distribution, YouTube, Netflix, Spotify or even good ole' internet porn bandwidth becomes cheaper and infrastructure becomes better.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49427761]Its simply my opinion that Blu-ray is shit and that it was a time waster. Rather than pushing internet speeds faster, we were given a shitty option to get movies.[/quote] I have to ask again, what's so shitty about blu-rays? Besides your aversion to physical media? [quote]The problem with physical media like blu-rays are that they elongate the existence of region protection, region blocking etc.[/quote] Not like digital distribution, which especially in the case of movies has licensing issues up the hoohah. [quote]Except every single person on this forum likely uses digital distribution.[/QUOTE] Except most American users probably have to deal with data caps, which don't play nice with digital distribution.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49427761][B] Rather than pushing internet speeds faster, we were given a shitty option to get movies.[/B][/QUOTE] Why would a company in Japan push to have faster internet speeds elsewhere? Japans internet isn't that bad from what I heard.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49427761] Except every single person on this forum likely uses digital distribution. With every push towards digital distribution, YouTube, Netflix, Spotify or even good ole' internet porn bandwidth becomes cheaper and infrastructure becomes better.[/QUOTE] thats what you'd expect huh

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;49427788]I have to ask again, what's so shitty about blu-rays? Besides your aversion to physical media? Not like digital distribution, which especially in the case of movies has licensing issues up the hoohah. Except most American users probably have to deal with data caps, which don't play nice with digital distribution.[/QUOTE] Blu-rays are shit because they are optical media. Nearly every single optical disc I have has had problems only a few years after purchase. They scratch, they have issues with fungus, drives fuck up because the optical reader dies. They're expensive. They're still physical media. They have prohibitive DRM technology that is in no way comparable to "DRM as a service" (i.e. Steam) They don't use blu-rays or DVDs in cinemas or at any film festival because they're so bad. DCPs have pretty much replaced all tape media too. A few years back, before blu ray, I went through my room and threw out about 1-2000 discs. I haven't had any optical media in or near any of my computers for ages. You know what happens when you get involved with optical media? "you can't install windows with your legally purchased CD key because you don't have this specific optical disk" Get fucked. At least nowadays I can just install from a download. Do you think if all the companies involved in Blu-ray/HD DVD had instead invested their time in advancing solid state memory/SD cards they would've been able to drive down their price? Most likely. Do you think if the distributors of movies had instead put their time and energy into digital distribution that we would be in a better place? Blu-ray in itself isn't the worst thing on Earth, but Sony, who shoehorned the CELL into the PS3 also shoehorned blu-ray drives into the PS4. It may have been relevant with the PS3, but it sure as shit isn't anymore. Then we're fed quotes like this: [quote]Kojima: For us, we're not still not satisfied with the quality we can do. You know, there's not capacity space. Interviewer: Wait, wait a sec. Saying there's not enough capacity, are you talking about Blu-ray? Kojima: That's correct. There's not enough space at all. (laughs) ...There's not enough space. We always talked about where to cut and what to compress.[/quote] [url]http://www.gamespot.com/forums/playstation-nation-1000002/hideo-kojima-says-blu-ray-disc-space-not-enough-26268354/[/url] No, Sony isn't the only company that relied on shitty Blu-ray, Microsoft did as well. Then you get Adobe, who killed off all optical releases because they're shit. Then you have these holdover people who believe their adobe disks from like 5 years back are still worth several thousand bucks instead of just paying $50 a month for creative cloud. Optical media is shit. For more reasons than one. I'll be glad when that shit has completely died off. [editline]31st December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=rampageturke 2;49427799]thats what you'd expect huh[/QUOTE] TBH if you can use YouTube fine then downloading shit shouldn't be too much of an issue. You have to wait 600 hours to download the latest game? Big fucking deal. I waited 7 hours to download counterstrike beta like a decade ago, I had to fashion a super long modem cable to get my computer hooked up. Just so I could play against bots.

If sony allowed users to run software inside a sandbox (just like OtherOS) this would have never happened, PS3 was hacked late, not because it was hard, but because there was no point when OtherOS existed. [QUOTE=Shugo;49427145]"But this isn't piracy! Sony has no reason to fight it!" And yet the very first demonstration of their hack was to boot up a pirated game on an emulator. I'm all for opening up console hardware, especially for the tools that such a thing can provide to legitimate users, but you're seriously fooling yourself if you think Sony has no reason to fight back against this kind of thing. Opening up consoles [I]will[/I] lead to piracy, even if there are plenty of other benefits for legitimate users.[/QUOTE] How do you know it was a pirated copy?

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49427761]Its simply my opinion that Blu-ray is shit and that it was a time waster. Rather than pushing internet speeds faster, we were given a shitty option to get movies. The problem with physical media like blu-rays are that they elongate the existence of region protection, region blocking etc. Again, my opinion. Its not like Sony is doing that well financially, nor have they been for the past several years. They used to make good TVs, now plenty of other brands do.[B] There is literally no 'killer app' that Sony produces.[/B] [editline]31st December 2015[/editline] Except every single person on this forum likely uses digital distribution. With every push towards digital distribution, YouTube, Netflix, Spotify or even good ole' internet porn bandwidth becomes cheaper and infrastructure becomes better.[/QUOTE] Sony Camera sensors are crazy good.

[QUOTE=paul simon;49428075]Sony Camera sensors are crazy good.[/QUOTE] Sony's camera division is probably the only part of the entire company that is doing ok (except for Playstation and media distribution). TBH once someone actually delivers some good open-source cinema/stills hardware it is easy to see a lot of companies that are heavily invested will start to see a loss. Lets face it, most of them tie down their products with shitty underdeveloped firmware/software.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49428179]Optical (Does that mean CDs? I'm assuming it does?) and physical media will ALWAYS have a place in society. If you take care of them, they'll last a lifetime. Sure, they degrade over time. Everything does, though. You can just copy them and make more physical copies, much like you can with digital. Physical is just so nice, especially when you have bad internet or you want a nice shelf decoration. Yeah I'd love to buy Mad Max on the ~cloud~ so I have to have an internet connection to watch it, that's really fun.[/QUOTE] Or perhaps media companies could stop being shit and start letting users actually download content they purchase? iTunes or spotify? Fuck no, I purchase my music online when possible in FLAC format and store it on my harddrive. I keep a backup. To me physical copies are a complete waste of time and I don't see the importance of them anymore. Don't get me wrong when I see an old Vinyl record, laserdisc or tape cassette it still looks awesome. But in terms of actually have to keep that shit? No. I use my PC as my window to the world. No consoles, no optical media and no bullshit.