fail0verflow Hacks the PS4, Plays Pokemon with linux on it - Polidicks

Everything I own, other than my employer-issued macbook, is sony and it's all 100% standardized. My phone, bluetooth speaker, bluetooth headphones, smartwatch, and camera all have micro-usb chargers. My phone has micro-SD storage, and my a6000 has SD card storage (as do all sony MILCs, which are quickly overtaking and replacing canon and nikon consumer ubiquity). The only proprietary element in all of these devices is the battery in my camera, but that's just how it is with cameras. Blu-ray provided an inexpensive and relatively stable platform for uncompressed full HD video. Obviously you wouldn't know this since you abandoned physical media before BD came out, but they're also far more scratch-resistant than DVDs and CDs. I'm pretty sure they had some weird fungus issue when they first came out, but other than that they were pretty much fool-proof. Yes, if Sony and Panasonic and the BDA invested in solid state research then it's possible that SSDs could be cheaper today. However, no amount of money or research could have driven solid state costs down to the pennies (if that) that a BD cost back then. We're still not even close 10 years later. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't move forward. I love creative cloud and use it everyday. I binge watch Netflix just like the everyone else. But your expectations were unrealistic, and you're being kind of an ass about it. Also you're trash talking a company that you apparently have no experience with. I've had nothing but excellent service from them for the better part of a decade, so I think it's extremely petty for people to tell Sony to fuck off and die because of this particular console issue (which isn't a black and white topic) when they're otherwise pretty nice. If anything, people should be upset over those leaks from 2014 and the fact that the PS4's security is so shitty that these guys don't think they need to release the exploit.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49427761]Its simply my opinion that Blu-ray is shit and that it was a time waster. Rather than pushing internet speeds faster, we were given a shitty option to get movies. The problem with physical media like blu-rays are that they elongate the existence of region protection, region blocking etc. Again, my opinion. Its not like Sony is doing that well financially, nor have they been for the past several years. They used to make good TVs, now plenty of other brands do. There is literally no 'killer app' that Sony produces. [editline]31st December 2015[/editline] Except every single person on this forum likely uses digital distribution. With every push towards digital distribution, YouTube, Netflix, Spotify or even good ole' internet porn bandwidth becomes cheaper and infrastructure becomes better.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry your opinion in this case is just bullshit and you keep coming up with other excuses to justify your point. First I need to figure out if the movie I want to watch is available on some streaming service and which country it is available for, then I need to use some sort of VPN to get Netflix, Amazon Video, iPlayer etc... to work for that country. That is assuming the VPN actually works well which is a hit and miss even with some of the paid ones. You then get Netflix deals running out constantly and movies/TV shows disappearing (which is why Netflix is focusing on original programming so much, which is great but not exactly what I want and completely ruins anyone who wants a semblance of collection). I have to hope my sketchy connection does not fuck up in the middle of the show and stop entirely or decide to run at a quality close to mud. If I'm bored of trying to be legal, I pirate the movie. But I don't have access to any private trackers so I hope there is a decent quality version available on some of the free sites. I have to trust the couple of commenters with completely arbitrary scoring systems (easy to see A10V10 and A5V5 on the same fucking video). Download that (again through fairly shit connection), hope it comes with semi decent subtitles. If it doesn't go online and search for some. Hope there is one that syncs well with the copy I have downloaded. I can't really use Fire stick, apple TV or anything else because of the VPN troubles so I have to hook my laptop up which means I either need to have a wireless mouse or keyboard or get up every time I need to pause. I was fucking thrilled the first time I managed to torrent a movie. I was even happier when I got Netflix to work, but more and more I go back to the simple pleasure of a DVD/BD. Sure it is expensive but at least I know what I'm getting and it is fucking convenient. We have 500+ DVD and Blu-ray discs in our collection and apart from a few (and seriously I mean a few, less than 10) very cheap copies that we left out of sleeves on top of each other none have gotten fungus or scratched so much that we couldn't play it. So I have no idea what you are doing with your discs. I was a serious digital collection enthusiast but honestly I don't see the point more and more.

[QUOTE=Most wanteD;49428236]Everything I own, other than my employer-issued macbook, is sony and it's all 100% standardized. My phone, bluetooth speaker, bluetooth headphones, smartwatch, and camera all have micro-usb chargers. My phone has micro-SD storage, and my a6000 has SD card storage (as do all sony MILCs, which are quickly overtaking and replacing canon and nikon consumer ubiquity). The only proprietary element in all of these devices is the battery in my camera, but that's just how it is with cameras. Blu-ray provided an inexpensive and relatively stable platform for uncompressed full HD video. Obviously you wouldn't know this since you abandoned physical media before BD came out, but they're also far more scratch-resistant than DVDs and CDs. I'm pretty sure they had some weird fungus issue when they first came out, but other than that they were pretty much fool-proof. Yes, if Sony and Panasonic and the BDA invested in solid state research then it's possible that SSDs could be cheaper today. However, no amount of money or research could have driven solid state costs down to the pennies (if that) that a BD cost back then. We're still not even close 10 years later. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't move forward. I love creative cloud and use it everyday. I binge watch Netflix just like the everyone else. But your expectations were unrealistic, and you're being kind of an ass about it. Also you're trash talking a company that you apparently have no experience with. I've had nothing but excellent service from them for the better part of a decade, so I think it's extremely petty for people to tell Sony to fuck off and die because of this particular console issue (which isn't a black and white topic) when they're otherwise pretty nice. If anything, people should be upset over those leaks from 2014 and the fact that the PS4's security is so shitty that these guys don't think they need to release the exploit.[/QUOTE] Well its my opinion. Everyone on the internet has one. Do I sound like an ass? Sure. I can't quite figure out a word to describe people still defending a blu-ray peddling, rootkit installing, DRM shithole that has made tremendously bad decisions for quite a while. I have plenty of experience with Sony, they don't proactively port their titles to PC and just like all the other console-exclusive shit that makes them terrible. The fact that console-exclusive titles exist in 2015, when they could've been killed off years ago is deplorable (except for specific titles that make use of certain controllers etc). The fact people still rally behind their favorite console producer is abhorrent. It is absolutely disgusting. To each his own.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49427608]Sorry I more meant that all the shit about it being next-gen was bullshit; it didn't really bring anything special to the table that was useful to an end consumer. As for proprietary shit: [img]http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/6403640/78/553/Sony-256-megabyte-Memory-Stick-PRO-Duo-Removable-Storage-Media-L14013773.jpg[/img] Sony is pretty much the worst company on earth. They even surpass Apple. Hope they die soon.[/QUOTE] Atleast the fullsize and half-size could be replaced with a adapter to microSD Shoehorning a 32GB microSD in a w810i.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49428372]Well its my opinion. Everyone on the internet has one. Do I sound like an ass? Sure. I can't quite figure out a word to describe people still defending a blu-ray peddling, rootkit installing, DRM shithole that has made tremendously bad decisions for quite a while. I have plenty of experience with Sony, they don't proactively port their titles to PC and just like all the other console-exclusive shit that makes them terrible. The fact that console-exclusive titles exist in 2015, when they could've been killed off years ago is deplorable (except for specific titles that make use of certain controllers etc). The fact people still rally behind their favorite console producer is abhorrent. It is absolutely disgusting. To each his own.[/QUOTE] You're taking this thing way too seriously, and throwing angry claims left and right. I think you need to cool yourself off. I also have [B]plenty[/B] of experience with Sony, but hey I look at things differently and I'm not bothered by Sony in the slightest. [sp]Owner of PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, PSP, PSP Go, PS Vita, Xperia V, Xperia Z1, Xperia Z5. And I really want a god damn Sony a7s II camera.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Fetret;49428367]I'm sorry your opinion in this case is just bullshit and you keep coming up with other excuses to justify your point. First I need to figure out if the movie I want to watch is available on some streaming service and which country it is available for, then I need to use some sort of VPN to get Netflix, Amazon Video, iPlayer etc... to work for that country. That is assuming the VPN actually works well which is a hit and miss even with some of the paid ones. You then get Netflix deals running out constantly and movies/TV shows disappearing (which is why Netflix is focusing on original programming so much, which is great but not exactly what I want and completely ruins anyone who wants a semblance of collection). I have to hope my sketchy connection does not fuck up in the middle of the show and stop entirely or decide to run at a quality close to mud. If I'm bored of trying to be legal, I pirate the movie. But I don't have access to any private trackers so I hope there is a decent quality version available on some of the free sites. I have to trust the couple of commenters with completely arbitrary scoring systems (easy to see A10V10 and A5V5 on the same fucking video). Download that (again through fairly shit connection), hope it comes with semi decent subtitles. If it doesn't go online and search for some. Hope there is one that syncs well with the copy I have downloaded. I can't really use Fire stick, apple TV or anything else because of the VPN troubles so I have to hook my laptop up which means I either need to have a wireless mouse or keyboard or get up every time I need to pause. I was fucking thrilled the first time I managed to torrent a movie. I was even happier when I got Netflix to work, but more and more I go back to the simple pleasure of a DVD/BD. Sure it is expensive but at least I know what I'm getting and it is fucking convenient. We have 500+ DVD and Blu-ray discs in our collection and apart from a few (and seriously I mean a few, less than 10) very cheap copies that we left out of sleeves on top of each other none have gotten fungus or scratched so much that we couldn't play it. So I have no idea what you are doing with your discs. I was a serious digital collection enthusiast but honestly I don't see the point more and more.[/QUOTE] First off. I specifically called out geographical restrictions in my earlier posts. Geographical restrictions are borne of physical distribution of media. Give it a couple of years and once the full power of the internet really begins to take affect that shit will die off quickly. Very rapidly, you will see governments and entities unable to force their hand as they have been used to for so long when it comes to the internet. Secondly, use a VPS provider instead of a VPN--lowendbox.com. At one stage I had a VPS in the US, Australia and the UK just to access streaming content. There isn't much you can do with regards to streaming to your TV, but I have read about some fairly complex routing rules that may make it work on a chromecast. Thirdly, when it comes to torrents of your favorite legal linux ISOs, get a seedbox. It will download shit instantaneously, and then you can FTP it to your computer and watch the open source legally distributed linux movie in practically realtime even with a more basic internet connection. Fourthly, I am merely talking about my experience. The last thing I want to do is fuck around with physical media in this day and age. I shoved a bunch of 2-4TB harddrives in my computer over the years and I barely need to lift a finger. I have a 4K monitor to watch shit and I have a very expensive set of headphones that provide sound far above what any TV or cinema can offer.

sonys stupidity is what causes their platforms to fail due to piracy the 360 was hacked very early on via hardware mods, it didn't kill the entire console because microsoft knew what they were doing.

[QUOTE=Wii60;49428456]sonys stupidity is what causes their platforms to fail due to piracy the 360 was hacked very early on via hardware mods, it didn't kill the entire console because microsoft knew what they were doing.[/QUOTE] I'm still amazed that piracy is a problem for consoles; if you don't make your product easily enough available then you're doing it wrong.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49428489]You can't just say "well it's only my opinion" to disregard criticism, it's possible to have bad opinions. Physical media is important and always will be.[/QUOTE] I'm not against being criticized for my opinion. IMHO, Physical media [i]was[/i] important.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;49427635]Yeah, Sony is the worst company on earth. Like, I literally can't think of any other company who could possibly be worse. Seriously, no other company is as evil and bastard-y as Sony, that's for absolutely certain.[/QUOTE] Really? I hope that's sarcasm. If not, then please learn that pricing of games/hardware and not allowing modding of their own stuffs is not a serious problem compared to other companies that exist. [url]http://www.businessinsider.com/the-15-worst-companies-for-the-environment-2009-9?op=1&IR=T[/url] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/28/the-least-ethical-compani_n_440073.html[/url]

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49428547]How is it not important now?[/QUOTE] Go to google and type: physical sales of movies physical sales of music physical sales of games Read.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49428590]Okay, then you go to google and type "why physical media is still important" [editline]31st December 2015[/editline] Here's an excerpt from google [url]http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/long-live-the-dvd-why-ill-never-give-up-physical-media.php[/url][/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/5fk4L7t.png[/img] And the excerpt you provided is exactly the same as music I purchase in FLAC format. I buy it, I have it on my PC and I can listen to it whenever I want. I can transcode it for my mobile phone to listen to in the car. I can readily store tons of it, I can put it on my dropbox and if I really wanted to I could print it onto an optical frisbee to throw at people. Wanna be a media company and force me to use some shitty service or not let me fully purchase something I want to? I'll just go around it, like most of the world's population.

[QUOTE=megafat;49426481]Wasn't pirating games for the Dreamcast as easy as copying the game onto another disc? Or did i completely make that up in my head?[/QUOTE] all you have to do is take a valid disc out on startup and put a burned pirated game in and yes, it WILL work with normal CDs

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49428612][img]http://i.imgur.com/5fk4L7t.png[/img] And the excerpt you provided is exactly the same as music I purchase in FLAC format. I buy it, I have it on my PC and I can listen to it whenever I want. I can transcode it for my mobile phone to listen to in the car. I can readily store tons of it, I can put it on my dropbox and if I really wanted to I could print it onto an optical frisbee to throw at people.[/QUOTE] I disagree with many of your points, but I think I'm starting to like you

also yes, the dreamcast did not sell that well in light of the PS2. but that's not where companies make profit. they make it on software, and sega made losses on the whole rather than on just the console because of insanely easy piracy methods [editline]31st December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=LegndNikko;49427645]Then explain the PS2, PSP, and Nintendo DS's success.[/QUOTE] it's far harder to pirate things on the PS2 and PSP. you actually need to buy extra hardware, for one. the dreamcast had a [I]day one[/I] exploit that anybody could do

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49428640][img]http://i.imgur.com/71nuqcm.png[/img][/QUOTE] 2015 bud, when you contain search terms in speech marks it's different than without. To sum up my argument, when was the last time you saw someone carting around 15 discs for the latest version of Encarta? Or a disc version of the Yellow Pages, or heck even the Yellow Pages itself? You don't. Technology has moved to a point where those are all redundant. That is what has happened to optical media for many people.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49427704]Because everything is moving towards downloads or solid state memory; Blu-ray was a time waster.[/QUOTE] are you dumb? flash is still far more expensive than a blu-ray disc, and will be for a long ass time. distributors have to make the distrib. media as cheap as absolutely possible and flash would kill that pretty quickly the profit margin on a game stored on modern fast flash that can run at BD speeds would have much, much smaller margins than one stored on a BD, even in 2007 when BD was a new technology. [editline]31st December 2015[/editline] tl;dr flash is not where you think it is yet

[QUOTE=.Lain;49428662]are you dumb? flash is still far more expensive than a blu-ray disc, and will be for a long ass time. distributors have to make the distrib. media as cheap as absolutely possible and flash would kill that pretty quickly the profit margin on a game stored on modern fast flash that can run at BD speeds would have much, much smaller margins than one stored on a BD, even in 2007 when BD was a new technology. [editline]31st December 2015[/editline] tl;dr flash is not where you think it is yet[/QUOTE] 32GB MicroSD from a reputable manufacturer: ~$10 USD [url]http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-32GB-microSDHC-Memory-Package/dp/B003WGJYCY[/url] Minions on Blu-ray: ~$20 USD [url]http://www.amazon.com/Minions-Blu-ray-DVD-DIGITAL-HD/dp/B00NYC7FWM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451596455[/url] If you could bulk purchase SD cards then the price would be dramatically lower.

the blu-ray itself costs pennies. the flash is much much closer to the selling price than any blu ray is (because you're paying for the content on top of the disc cost duh) why do you think digital distribution isn't much cheaper than physical copies? because the physical disc practically costs nothing.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49428667]Good for your FLAC files, but in the future it isn't going to be so easy. We aren't moving toward more digital, we're moving toward more stream and subscription. When you get away from physical media and owning that copy, you move toward licenses and timed "ownership."[/QUOTE] Until there exists a network in which file transfers are encrypted and secured by a blockchain or similar and the MPAA/RIAA collectively shit themselves as their lawsuits become worthless and policing content becomes nigh-on impossible. Simply put we're about 6-12 months from this happening. In any case a streaming service is much better than physical media; for one its usually cheaper. [editline]1st January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=.Lain;49428689]the blu-ray itself costs pennies. the flash is much much closer to the selling price than any blu ray is (because you're paying for the content on top of the disc cost duh) why do you think digital distribution isn't much cheaper than physical copies? because the physical disc practically costs nothing.[/QUOTE] Thanks but I will pass on paying pennies for bad old technology.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49428710]It is not redundant. I installed my OS on my computer using an optical disk because I didn't have an OS installed to download the OS digitally. I watch my optical blu-ray disks on my Playstation 3 because it doesn't have internet access where it's located. I buy CD's so I can rip them onto my computer because not a single god damn music service has good enough audio quality at a comparable price. I listen to said CDs in my car (which is very old, but still works). People use physical means to archive important things, such as old films and such. I recommend you look up the place in Vegas (?) that is converting all the old Hollywood films to modern physical media to safely store it so we may enjoy it in the future. You can apply that to anything we want to archive. HDDs die too quickly and the internet is too unreliable to be a good archival tool for important media.[/QUOTE] Thanks, I once handled a 35MM copy of Nesferatu that was old as fuck. So I'm well aware of the importance of 'old media'--what I struggle to understand is the push to release media on redundant formats.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49428719]what I struggle to understand is the push to release media on redundant formats.[/QUOTE] As you well know, it's sort of the opposite. We push away from "Redundant" formats in favor of digital distribution, but truth is that the world just isn't completely prepared for a full transition yet.

[QUOTE=paul simon;49428728]As you well know, it's sort of the opposite. We push away from "Redundant" formats in favor of digital distribution, but truth is that the world just isn't completely prepared for a full transition yet.[/QUOTE] Then I'll be the cool guy with sunglasses who enjoys modern amenities rather than still typing documents on a typewriter.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49428744]Then I'll be the cool guy with sunglasses who enjoys modern amenities rather than still typing documents on a typewriter.[/QUOTE] The cool guy with the sunglasses and- wait oh my god he still keeps [I]music files on his harddrive?[/I] What a loser!

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49428767] The cool thing about digital things like that, is that you can create music and documents on your computer and then convert them to physical trough CD burning or printing. I just love that. Why push one away when we can have both? They're both important and they both work together well.[/QUOTE] Physical media: used as a tool to enforce arbitrary geographical restrictions used as a tool to sell and resell multiple editions of the same shit used as a tool to try and enforce arbitrary DRM upon users used as a tool to try and install rootkits on unsuspecting users used as a shoehorn on consoles, computers etc to sell more Digital media: internet/borderless world at some point I know which one I will support.

[QUOTE=.Lain;49428641] it's far harder to pirate things on the PS2 and PSP. you actually need to buy extra hardware, for one. the dreamcast had a [I]day one[/I] exploit that anybody could do[/QUOTE] Nah. IIRC for the PSP you only had to do a bit of soldering on the battery and you were pretty much good to go. At least for most of its lifetime.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49428809]Physical media: used as a tool to enforce arbitrary geographical restrictions used as a tool to sell and resell multiple editions of the same shit used as a tool to try and enforce arbitrary DRM upon users used as a tool to try and install rootkits on unsuspecting users used as a shoehorn on consoles, computers etc to sell more Digital media: internet/borderless world at some point I know which one I will support.[/QUOTE] You are just making stuff up now. All of your points (and I do mean [B]all[/B] of them) happen with digital media too. You can support whatever you want luckily the world is not changing according to your pointless opinions. You can still buy floppy disks in bulk through Amazon so physical media, especially discs, are not going to go anywhere any time soon.

[QUOTE=Nabile13;49428830]Nah. IIRC for the PSP you only had to do a bit of soldering on the battery and you were pretty much good to go. At least for most of its lifetime.[/QUOTE] it eventually lead to not having to do anything with the hardware and installing cfw was purely just put it on a memory stick and go

[QUOTE=Fetret;49428895]You are just making stuff up now. All of your points (and I do mean [B]all[/B] of them) happen with digital media too. You can support whatever you want luckily the world is not changing according to your pointless opinions. You can still buy floppy disks in bulk through Amazon so physical media, especially discs, are not going to go anywhere any time soon.[/QUOTE] You do realize that 'digital media' is the most broad, quickly changing thing in existence. It doesn't necessarily have to have a container like paid streaming media provides.

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49428701]Until there exists a network in which file transfers are encrypted and secured by a blockchain or similar and the MPAA/RIAA collectively shit themselves as their lawsuits become worthless and policing content becomes nigh-on impossible. Simply put we're about 6-12 months from this happening. In any case a streaming service is much better than physical media; for one its usually cheaper. [editline]1st January 2016[/editline] Thanks but I will pass on paying pennies for bad old technology.[/QUOTE] it's not bad or old flash is far older than BD tech lmao [editline]31st December 2015[/editline] i can tell right away that you know very little about this topic if you don't understand the profit margins at play in fact BD is very fast for how absolutely dick-cheap it is to produce compared to flash. It works absolutely fine for playing movies, and even playing a lot of games at higher speeds. (but we have hard drives for those anyways)