[QUOTE=Svinnik;51538956]yeah, FUCK all trump supporters for voting for a candidate that [I]I[/I] don't like. there is no legitimate reason for voting trump, all of the people who voted for him are ignorant and misinformed. /s
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Guns. If you support environmental deregulation. Increased military spending.
That's about it really. If you voted for Trump because he was going to build the wall or bring tens of millions of jobs back yes you are ignorant and misinformed and the best part is this is no longer hypotheticals pushed by people shilling for Clinton, it's shit that's already happening.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51539185]Both sides have this problem, not just the liberals. Go to /r/the_donald to see the same thing. People found clinton unlikable but that doesn't explain how Trump got the nomination in the first place.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what you're trying to argue here. Yes, the mentality is on both sides. My dad texts me shit about building the wall daily and it's incredibly annoying.
Trump got the nomination because he seemed like less of a politician to a voter base that likes people who are "folksy" and "plain spoken" regardless of no concrete political positions to speak of.
lol your husband ran on a campaign of hope and change and then proceeded to be the one of the limpest noodles to ever hold office.
America hasn't had hope for 15+ years, a hopelessly out of scale country, melting pot (should really be called boiling pot) of clashing ideologies, racial and religious groups, fat cats and starving dogs just circling the drain.
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;51539201]I don't know what you're trying to argue here. Yes, the mentality is on both sides. My dad texts me shit about building the wall daily and it's incredibly annoying.
Trump got the nomination because he seemed like less of a politician to a voter base that likes people who are "folksy" and "plain spoken" regardless of no concrete political positions to speak of.[/QUOTE]
And that's what I'm saying, I agree with you on the latter point.
[QUOTE] Trump represents the last chance that regular Americans are willing to give the republican party because they see that with the normal system, nothing is being done for them.[/QUOTE]
don't come to australia when it finally happens, thanks
[QUOTE=jaegerisacunt;51539208]don't come to australia when it finally happens, thanks[/QUOTE]
When Trump starts herding people into concentration camps, Australia is my fallback plan.
Fuck that, New Zealand is way better.
Kim Dotcom knew what he was doing when he moved there.
As long as you don't pretend to be Irish if you happen to have a great great great great great grandfather from Ireland, you're welcome here to Ireland.
As long as you know how to drive a manual. Don't fucking go on the motorway to Donegal in first gear and we'll all get along like a pig in shite.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51539054]Well considering the situation for the voters (especially the Rust belt workers) that flipped to Trump were that they saw him as their only hope, I think that speaks volumes about the other side and history that got us here.[/QUOTE]
Amazing how Clinton won the majority huh
[QUOTE=J!NX;51539285]Amazing how Clinton won the majority huh[/QUOTE]
Sick zing.
But I know you are smart enough to realize that it doesn't change anything I said. She lost where it counted and assumed she had votes that she never had.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51539285]Amazing how Clinton won the majority huh[/QUOTE]
While simultaneously disenfranchising 13 million Democrats, which is a fucking achievement in it's own right.
[QUOTE=piddlezmcfuz;51539171]Why would anyone be hopeful for a presidency that has made it abuntantly clear that its primary purpose would be to dismantle as much policy set by its predecessors as possible, regardless of whether the policy is beneficial to the nation or not[/QUOTE]
Trump ran a mad libs flip flopping campaign.
I support trump because he [loves | hates] the gays as evidenced by this [tweet | gay hating VP | waving a flag]!
I also really applaud his decisions on abortion, [banning | not touching] abortion is important and [he | his vp and party] have a good history with this stuff.
He didn't mean it when he said ______, you just don't understand it the way we do.
We don't have to worry about him [doing | not doing] all that stuff he says because [Sargon of Akkad | Entire government republican] so stop being [depressed | a cuck] and [embrace the memes | go back to your safe space].
Also he got voted in because of shitty clinton campaign not talking enough about jobs, not considering contradictions and flip flops to be an advantage when it comes to swinging people around to your side.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;51539350]While simultaneously disenfranchising 13 million Democrats, which is a fucking achievement in it's own right.[/QUOTE]
Both candidates are.... umm... amazing in their own right, I will say that much :v:
hey listen can you morons stop having this nerd slapfight about the election in every fucking SH thread? I've seen the same actors here say almost identical shit to eachother in about 10 different threads.
who's benefit are you doing this for because it reminds me more of a youtube thread than it does it a forum
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[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51539761]The thing is that ore people voted for Clinton so it is dumb to list reasons why more people voted for Trump.
What can be reasonable is to list why Rust Belt voters - not especially, only Rust Belt voters- moved. That is the extent of speculation you can make.[/QUOTE]
Well I didn't phrase it like Trump supporters were this monolith that rose up.
[quote]Well considering the situation for the voters [b](especially the Rust belt workers)[/b] that flipped to Trump were that they saw him as their only hope, I think that speaks volumes about the other side and history that got us here.[/quote]
I think I illustrated the point pretty well. You still had the retention of angry GOP voters that eventually sided with Trump that help keep the EC victory to happen.
I don't agree it was only the rust belt workers who contributed, cause that implies the rest of the people who voted weren't at risk of being disenfranchised by Donald Trump either.
And if there is something on FP people love to argue, it's that Donald Trump can put off quite alot of people even in the Republican party.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51539285]Amazing how Clinton won the majority huh[/QUOTE]
She won the majority but only about a third of the USA's population actually voted, probably due to the nature of the US election process, so I wouldn't be giving too much weight to those numbers.
I'm not much of a guy into politics in either right or left, but for fucks sake woman, are you really that ignorant you're going to make disgusting statements like that on TV?
From the very beginning of hope being the motto of this presidency, to go on out and say that makes her very close minded on the future without even giving Trump a chance.
[QUOTE=jaegerisacunt;51539702]hey listen can you morons stop having this nerd slapfight about the election in every fucking SH thread? I've seen the same actors here say almost identical shit to eachother in about 10 different threads.
who's benefit are you doing this for because it reminds me more of a youtube thread than it does it a forum[/QUOTE]
I thought this thread was about Michelle Obama being pessimistic, now it's just blended into every other Trump vs Hillary thread or thread which has derailed into a Trump vs Hillary thread, although to be fair the OP is partly to blame with that pointless comment.
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From the very beginning of hope being the motto of this presidency, to go on out and say that makes her very close minded on the future without even giving Trump a chance.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe, by virtue of being one of the thousands of species capable of causal reasoning, she is able conceive the notion of past events and how they relate to things that have not yet happened?
[QUOTE=Zombinie;51538906]I am now a Trump supporter just for the sake of screw your toxic "us vs them" attitude.[/QUOTE]
tbh that sounds more like you're perpetuating it
When we got down to the big two I became a Hillary supporter, and now that the election's over I'm still a Hillary supporter, while simultaneously having a girlfriend who voted Trump because I don't care [I]at all[/I].
You're literally just switching sides to protest having sides at all
Obama was elected on the promise of hope and a new beginning for America. But he pissed it away, doubling down on establishment policies, expanding the wars that were draining America's economy and international reputation, sucking the cock of corporate interest. Expanding America's fascistic surveillance state, etc etc. And this bitch is seems to be wondering why people are disenfranchised.
[QUOTE=Bertie;51540319]She won the majority but only about a third of the USA's population actually voted, probably due to the nature of the US election process, so I wouldn't be giving too much weight to those numbers.[/QUOTE]
Due to the nature of the US election process, I really wouldn't put too much weight on [I]any[/I] of the obtained results when it comes to what the American people actually wants.
Seriously, it's a completely unrepresentative mess.
No surprise hearing that from man-in-disguise "Michelle" Obama, especially with "her" fascist Muslim socialist Jew Kenyan Atheist liberal anti-gun husband who hates America, Barack HUSSEIN Obama!
[sp]/s
She has a really good point, our current president-elect likes to paint some pretty bleak pictures of America.[/sp]
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51540876]our current president-elect likes to paint some pretty bleak pictures of America.[/QUOTE]
Trump's campaign is based on telling people what they want to hear even if it contradicts itself and riding on hope though. His slogan is forward-facing, "make america great again".
That's hopeful.
What he does take hope out of with his rhetoric is the present. he's all "this country is losing right now" and then "we're going to win with me we're going to win so much we'll be tired of winning".
On the other hand his policies (that nobody talked enough about this cycle) take hope out of the future. Ech.
[QUOTE=St33m;51540825]Obama was elected on the promise of hope and a new beginning for America. But he pissed it away, doubling down on establishment policies, expanding the wars that were draining America's economy and international reputation, sucking the cock of corporate interest. Expanding America's fascistic surveillance state, etc etc. And this bitch is seems to be wondering why people are disenfranchised.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure the ACA, gay marriage, removing don't ask don't tell, ceasing federal enforcement of marijuana crimes, adding huge regulations to financial institutions to prevent them (at least partially) from screwing their customers constantly, are all not very 'establishment'.
Under his power they've withdrawn the vast majority of the soldiers from conflict zones after Bush put them there.
And 'sucking the cock of corporate interest'? Do you think those financial institutions and insurance companies were happy they are now required by law to stop discriminating and subverting customers to pad their profit margins?
The only thing I'll give you is the point about letting the NSA run rampant but I sincerely doubt even he could stop them by himself.
People are disenfranchised because they continue to have problems and then listen to media shock jocks who tell them to pin all their blame and anger on the wrong targets.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;51539350]While simultaneously disenfranchising 13 million Democrats, which is a fucking achievement in it's own right.[/QUOTE]
Did Clinton do that personally?
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