Paid mods are a legal minefield, at least the way they had them and I doubt it will ever return to what we saw in Skyrim.
I wouldn't be opposed to the idea if it got people working on good quality content but not $2 swords and armor and or a set of scripts.
It honestly doesn't matter.
You won't be able to make use of "Fair Use" in 3 months so it doesn't fucking matter.
Valve thinks somehow this shit is gonna be like only filled with mods like G-Mod and black mesa source, shit thats worth money. Where as 99.9% of it is gonna be nothing but garbage. No one will make Black Mesa Sources if they can pump out cheap shit easier and faster, Also mods are made with love, as gay as it sounds, that shit is why we get some fantastic mods, because being paid was NEVER part of the equation so it really comes down to peoples own care for the actual mod they are trying to make, and less about money.
Nothing good will come out of this.
Actually, fuck Valve, they are professionals and adults, theirs no way they arent self-aware of how shit this is so it honestly just seems like fucking money grubbing they are self-aware of. Their is ABSOLUTELY no way Valve doesnt know how shit this is, but they really dont seem to give a fuck, at least the powers that be. Instead they just wanna make more fucking money off non-work in such a lazy and trashy way because they clearly dont give a fuck about quality if they do this.
Valve really has gotten extremely greedy, Dota 2 items are a fucking shitshow right now with that new compendium and the 0 trading/gifting bullshit thats on like everything, and its obvious its just for money.
[QUOTE=Grandzeit;48924182]If they won't do quality controls of the games put up on the service, why would they do it for mods?[/QUOTE]
they'd better or this shit's going to fall down a steep cliff. quality control is a problem on greenlight but it's a more serious issue on the mod market.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48924215]Valve thinks somehow this shit is gonna be like only filled with mods like G-Mod and black mesa source, shit thats worth money.
Where as 99.9% of it is gonna be nothing but garbage. No one will make Black Mesa Sources if they can pump out cheap shit easier and faster,
Also mods are made with love, as gay as it sounds, that shit is why we get some fantastic mods, because being paid was NEVER part of the equation so it really comes down to peoples own care for the actual mod they are trying to make, and less about money.
Nothing good will come out of this.[/QUOTE]
if good mods come from people who make them for free out of kindness, then we don't have a problem, do we?
selling your mods is a their choice
Won't be Fallout 4 because the whole "Shouldn't have done it with an already established community" implies communities surrounding game series, not just an individual game.
So if they try this again, it won't be with a game series that has an already huge modding community behind it like Fallout or Elder Scrolls.
Valve are masters at making money off the community's work.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;48924094]Paid mods are a good idea. They just didn't do it right.[/QUOTE]
How? I can't ever see paid mods working out and benefiting anyone.
Theres a lot of surprised users in this thread.
Valve always said it would be back from the day they removed it.
[QUOTE=Octopod;48924222]they'd better or this shit's going to fall down a steep cliff. quality control is a problem on greenlight but it's a more serious issue on the mod market.[/QUOTE]
Is it, though? Quite a lot of content on Greenlight is stolen, simple "asset flips", scams, games that don't work at all, simulator games that think it's funny to simply put a rock model in the middle of the screen that you can rotate and stuff like "Kill that faggot!" - and a lot of these "games" do end up on Steam's front page.
Frankly I'd welcome more paid mods if they were all the quality of stuff like Garry's Mod. I really don't see that as likely though.
I'm just going to refuse to buy any game involving this, same as I don't buy any with microtransactions.
This of course is slowly reducing the amount of games I can buy to zero. RIP games industry.
It's not going to matter if TPP goes through.
You'll be fined an uncapped amount for modding a game
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48923961]Fallout 4 gonna be it. I am calling it.[/QUOTE]
its hard to say, fallout 4 also is going to have cross platform mod capabilities, so they'd have to give microsoft a cut of the content, i'd say they'd rather try again on something with much less hype and platform locked to steam
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48924272]It's not going to matter if TPP goes through.
You'll be fined an uncapped amount for modding a game[/QUOTE]
I just saw that video, doesn't it apply to the 151 that signed to treaty, can't Valve and Bethesda just say "No" to it and the modders are free to use their game?
Just a question, I don't know really.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;48924281]I just saw that video, doesn't it apply to the 151 that signed to treaty, can't Valve and Bethesda just say "No" to it and the modders are free to use their game?
Just a question, I don't know really.[/QUOTE]
Except that most EULA's and ToS/ToA today have a strict "Thou shalt not modify game content in anyway"
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;48924281]I just saw that video, doesn't it apply to the 151 that signed to treaty, can't Valve and Bethesda just say "No" to it and the modders are free to use their game?
Just a question, I don't know really.[/QUOTE]
AFAIK it'll apply to everyone
It'll be up to the companies to start legislation or lawsuits based on what they feel infringed by.
Valve probably won't sue us. But they'd have to find a partner also willing to not sue us, and that's hoping in the process of making a mod, or a video, you don't use anything that anyone can sue you for, any middle ware or things related to people who aren't friendly companies, they will sue you.
I just don't care. Fuck paid modding, it's bad, but we won't even be legally eligible to do so in a few months.
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[QUOTE=kattolil;48924290]Except that most EULA's and ToS/ToA today have a strict "Thou shalt not modify game content in anyway"[/QUOTE]
EULA's and TOS's are non binding agreements.
Under the TPP, the corporations are able to bind us to EULA's and TOS's, while never being bound by them themselves
[QUOTE=Grandzeit;48924261]Is it, though? Quite a lot of content on Greenlight is stolen, simple "asset flips", scams, games that don't work at all, simulator games that think it's funny to simply put a rock model in the middle of the screen that you can rotate and stuff like "Kill that faggot!" - and a lot of these "games" do end up on Steam's front page.[/QUOTE]
I think the community drives that, so whatever gets on the front page must be either decent or really really bad.
anyways the issue is that it's easier to make mods than greenlight games. someone would have to pay the 100$ or whatever to be able to sell games, not to mention actually make it, but all you have to do to make a mod (at least in skyrim) is download the tools and follow a tutorial or something. the mod market is going to be dysfunctional without a stronger quality control
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48923996]You fuckers don't even offer enough of a cut for modders to even consider using it so I doubt it will ever work[/QUOTE]
Tbh 25% is a relatively reasonable cut for the modder, seeing as they're using bethesda's engine, IP, and massive built in audience. I'm still against the idea though because of the legal issues that will spring up and the effect it may have on the community.
I don't care if the mods are all great quality. I already paid for the damn game and do not want to shell out cash for an unofficial addon that could easily break due to updates.
[QUOTE=kattolil;48924290]Except that most EULA's and ToS/ToA today have a strict "Thou shalt not modify game content in anyway"[/QUOTE]
Those are just there so the company can legally sue someone and say they did warn them. Most dont ever act on that ever, its just a safety net if they so choose.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;48924235]How? I can't ever see paid mods working out and benefiting anyone.[/QUOTE]
Paid mods can work really well, see Team Fortress (Originally a free Quake 1 mod), Counter-Strike (Originally a free Half-Life 1 mod), DOTA (Originally a free Warcraft mod), Garry's Mod, etc
[QUOTE=TestECull;48923973]It ain't gonna work there, either, Valve. What you'll have is outsourced microtransactions and gamers are lukewarm at best to microtransactions.
Todd Howard already said they weren't gonna be in FO4.[/QUOTE]
While Todd Howard is the sexiest man in the gaming industry. He's also not exactly.... honest. They're developing their own version of steam workshop for crying out loud, AND tried paid mods once before. It's going to happen
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48924336]Paid mods can work really well, see Team Fortress (Originally a free Quake 1 mod), Counter-Strike (Originally a free Half-Life 1 mod), DOTA (Originally a free Warcraft mod), Garry's Mod, etc[/QUOTE]
Yeah but they're all pretty much full games in and of themselves. What we're talking about here is people being able to sell their creepy anime skins and crap like that.
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48924336]Paid mods can work really well, see Team Fortress (Originally a free Quake 1 mod), Counter-Strike (Originally a free Half-Life 1 mod), DOTA (Originally a free Warcraft mod), Garry's Mod, etc[/QUOTE]
Notice how they were all free, passion project mods?
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48923996]You fuckers don't even offer enough of a cut for modders to even consider using it so I doubt it will ever work[/QUOTE]
was it not like 25% went to mods only so which is really not much
[QUOTE=TheTalon;48924342]While Todd Howard is the sexiest man in the gaming industry.[/QUOTE]
That's the first I've ever heard anyone say that about Todd Howard
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48924376]Yeah but they're all pretty much full games in and of themselves. What we're talking about here is people being able to sell their creepy anime skins and crap like that.[/QUOTE]
i doubt many people would pay for said creepy anime skins
Fallout 4 on consoles, gotta be, they'll get not near as much backlash for a plethora of reasons.
[QUOTE=Octopod;48924387]i doubt many people would pay for said creepy anime skins[/QUOTE]
have you not seen the anime phenomenon on Steam? those shitty Sakura games and all those Visual Novels that are top sellers
they'll pay for anime skins, they will.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;48924377]Notice how they were all free, passion project mods?[/QUOTE]
even if paid mods were a thing back in the day i dont think it would change that those mods were made for free out of passion
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