[QUOTE=Hookerbot9000;25289476]I have [B]hardly[/B] anything illegal on my drives, yet I would never give my password to any cunt. Ever.[/QUOTE]
Wait... Hardly?
Fight da power
[QUOTE=Superstormj;25287478]Also, fucking noob cops. Take the hard drive out and connect it to another computer. Voila, 10 mins and you have access...[/QUOTE]
That is quite possibly the :downs:iest thing I've ever read on this forum.
Ever.
My friend has several passwords and encryption on his computer too.
His PC won't even turn on if you don't enter a 25-letter password, then you have to enter two 15-letter passwords to access the harddrives. :v:
The longest password I've ever had was a 21-character long one for my Runescape account.
God damn I was paranoid
[B]Ah CP, [/B]my linux distros are safe
Those cops should download some more RAM. It'll help them crack that encryption faster.
[QUOTE=Superstormj;25287478]Whatever the fuck was on that computer, i need it.
Also, fucking noob cops. Take the hard drive out and connect it to another computer. Voila, 10 mins and you have access...[/QUOTE]
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What would be the point of encryption if you did that?
[QUOTE=wndash;25289982][QUOTE=wndash;25289958]It's actually a key, not password
When you decrypt data you don't put your own password in, what you call password is actually an algorithm showing how to decrypt data.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
Oh shit.. so its a key, not a password. That had to be fun to remember...
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;25289739]The police are probably well aware of the legality of having an encrypted harddrive. Think again though:
The guy is being suspected of having CP and when they find an encrypted HDD after searching his house with a warrant, he refuses to give up the password? Surely if he's got nothing to hide, he could just give the password?
Yeah, try proving your innocence now.[/QUOTE]
There is a clear distinction between "suspect" and "guilty". Guilt needs to be proven, innocence does not (in the absence of contradicting evidence). Even if you have a person strongly suspected for crime you can't go jump ahead of justice and punish him without supporting evidence, and logical conclusions does not count as such. If it did, we could have innocents thrown in jail for technicalities.
If there is nothing on your computer you would cooperate with the police no harm no foul, he should be jailed until he stops refusing to give them his password
[QUOTE=jlj1;25290976]If there is nothing on your computer you would cooperate with the police no harm no foul, he should be jailed until he stops refusing to give them his password[/QUOTE]
"Give us the chance to legally throw you in jail or we'll throw you in jail unlawfully!"?
That's blackmailing, dear sir, which shouldn't be sanctioned anywhere. In all trials the accused has the option of choosing what he may reveal to the police and the court, depending on what information could compromise him, this also includes compromising information that is irrelevant to the case. You hear it on Cops every day; "You have the right to remain silent".
[QUOTE=jlj1;25290976]If there is nothing on your computer you would cooperate with the police no harm no foul, he should be jailed until he stops refusing to give them his password[/QUOTE]
there's this thing called privacy that some people wish to uphold. therefore, it cannot be assumed in the eye of the law that the man is guilty, just because he refuses to display the contents of his harddrives.
What reason would he have to refuse other then if he has illegal stuff on his hard drive.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;25289739]The police are probably well aware of the legality of having an encrypted harddrive. Think again though:
The guy is being suspected of having CP and when they find an encrypted HDD after searching his house with a warrant, he refuses to give up the password? Surely if he's got nothing to hide, he could just give the password?
Yeah, try proving your innocence now.[/QUOTE]
Try proving just what he's guilty of? We all think like you do and agree. The legal system works in the directly opposite way. On paper, he's just a sexual offender impeding investigation and he's essentially blocking the only path to finding the final proof. they punnish him for blocking them and they commence forced entry as procedure demands. what more can they do?
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;25290927]There is a clear distinction between "suspect" and "guilty". Guilt needs to be proven, innocence does not (in the absence of contradicting evidence). Even if you have a person strongly suspected for crime you can't go jump ahead of justice and punish him without supporting evidence, and logical conclusions does not count as such. If it did, we could have innocents thrown in jail for technicalities.[/QUOTE]
and, as this guy states, Imprisonment based on logical conclusions can result in a lot of mistakes.... It just doesn't fly with me, Spacemuffin!
The law is the law and the law is full of flaws but it still does what it's supposed to do, best the way it is now.
So, unless we all remember the case itself, he'll just be labeled an offending pedofile and the whole CP thing won't ever be noted anywhere.
I bet he has already forgotten the password himself.
[QUOTE=jlj1;25291213]What reason would he have to refuse other then if he has illegal stuff on his hard drive.[/QUOTE]
upholding privacy
[QUOTE=jlj1;25291213]What reason would he have to refuse other then if he has illegal stuff on his hard drive.[/QUOTE]
Its not your data, you cant see my data. He is suspected to having some cheese pizza onboard.
But if you are witholding information, and pleeing the 5th.. you're automatically guilty in the eyes of the law (in most cases).
So he is jailed for obstructing the law and then let off the initial thing?
[QUOTE=jlj1;25291548]So he is jailed for obstructing the law and then let off the initial thing?[/QUOTE]
Unless they can find the evidence...
[QUOTE=jlj1;25291213]What reason would he have to refuse other then if he has illegal stuff on his hard drive.[/QUOTE]
A fuckton of reasons? He could be cheating on his wife/girlfriend (not a crime) and store conversation logs and private pictures on his encrypted drive that would ruin his his life should a criminal investigation against him expose it. Or, he could be an investigative journalist that keeps sensitive information on his laptop such as names of secret informers whose identities need to be kept highly confidential lest these people's lives may be at risk?
In short, there are damn good reasons government officials shouldn't have limitless access to private information.
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[QUOTE=jlj1;25291548]So he is jailed for obstructing the law and then let off the initial thing?[/QUOTE]
They can't charge him for something they can't irrefutably prove! They can prove he is hiding information but they can't prove its exact nature. Speculation does no good in court.
I could accuse my neighbor of something in such a way that he can't directly prove my accusations groundless, yet he still won't get sent to jail unless I can actually prove him guilty.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;25291629]A fuckton of reasons? He could be cheating on his wife/girlfriend (not a crime) and store conversation logs and private pictures on his encrypted drive that would ruin his his life should a criminal investigation against him expose it. Or, he could be an investigative journalist that keeps sensitive information on his laptop such as names of secret informers whose identities need to be kept highly confidential lest these people's lives may be at risk?
In short, there are damn good reasons government officials shouldn't have limitless access to private information.
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They can't charge him for something they can't irrefutably prove!
I could accuse my neighbor of something in such a way that he can't directly prove my accusations groundless, yet he still won't get sent to jail unless I can actually prove him guilty.[/QUOTE]
I disagree, I believe it is perfectly fine for them to demand that he give them the information if they have a warrant.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;25291696]I disagree, I believe it is perfectly fine for them to demand that he give them the information if they have a warrant.[/QUOTE]
That's how corrupt cops think too; If you can't gather the necessary evidence against them, beat it out of them.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;25291696]I disagree, I believe it is perfectly fine for them to demand that he give them the information if they have a warrant.[/QUOTE]
Atleast in the united states, you have to supply all the information when a warrant is released.
Refusal would be obstruction to justice iirc.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;25291720]That's how corrupt cops think too; If you can't gather the necessary evidence against them, beat it out of them.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but when was this man beaten? He was put in jail for failing to comply, i really don't see the problem.
Without warrant: You can decline that a cop search your car/house/possessions/whatever.
With warrant: You don't have a single choice, except to do some court stuff.
Learn the difference [sp]It could save your life[/sp]
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;25291766]I'm sorry but when was this man beaten? He was put in jail for failing to comply, i really don't see the problem.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying the short jail time was completely unwarranted, but your "I disagree" made it somewhat seem like you were okay with court drawing the conclusion that failing to comply with the search warrant equates admitting guilt to the full crime he was suspected for and that there could be no other reasons for choosing to deny access to his files.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;25292058]I'm not saying the short jail time was completely unwarranted, but your "I disagree" made it somewhat seem like you were okay with court drawing the conclusion that failing to comply with the search warrant equates admitting guilt to the full crime he was suspected for and that there could be no other reasons for choosing to deny access to his files.[/QUOTE]
Well we all know they cant get to the evidence. However, they can still charge him for a lesser count of obsturction to justice and probably something else..
if they can't get him on CP, they'll get him on everything else.
OK We have checked every one...
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Fuck, not it.
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"Permission granted"
Well fuck, that took a while.
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He doesn't even have the pedo smile.
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