Assange speaks from embassy balcony, urges US to end 'witch hunt' and release Bradley Manning - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SKEEA;37313537]We are not going to release PFC (now probably PVT) Manning. He clearly violated the UCMJ and is getting dealt with accordingly.[/QUOTE] maybe just release him from the tiny box you have him in maybe into a somewhat larger and less dark box oh sorry i didn't know it was proper procedure please continue

[QUOTE=SKEEA;37313537]We are not going to release PFC (now probably PVT) Manning. He clearly violated the UCMJ and is getting dealt with accordingly.[/QUOTE] Being tortured is NOT acceptable. It is heinous.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;37313537]We are not going to release PFC (now probably PVT) Manning. He clearly violated the UCMJ and is getting dealt with accordingly.[/QUOTE] Yes he violated the rules. Yes he shouldn't be released for it. But no, he should [B]not[/B] be tortured and should [B]not[/B] be held without trial as being "dealt with accordingly".

Of course his conditions have improved, but the fact he was EVER tortured was unacceptable.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;37313524]Let's talk about things that we don't know about and are only speculation!!!!!![/QUOTE] Just saying, I wouldn't put it past them

manning's services to humanity go far beyond any modern military. if he is released, along with the assange cases closing, it will be a great victory for freedom.

I don't agree with the torture, but I think it is unrealistic for anyone to believe that we would actually release him.

If he truly feared so much that he could be killed by the American government at any time he should know that if they really wanted him dead he would not be speaking. The only reason Russia hasn't already killed him is because he backtracked on that whole "Russian Federation BE AFRAID I'm going to leak stuff!" This suddenly turned into being a guest on a Russian government funded "news" site and those leaks were never heard from again.

I think Assange certainly did rape those two women (they came forward and there has been no evidence to the contrary, hell his own lawyer says he did it), but I very much doubt that this isn't politically motivated or there wouldn't have been the huge delay or interpol involved or fucking requests for extradition going on - but that's my limited view of it, I'm no expert I feel much, much worse for Manning tbh, he did us all a service and is currently rotting in a jail cell

[QUOTE=Civil;37312594]The US controls the Swedish goverment with money etc illegaly so no.[/QUOTE] Actually I think you'll find its the Illuminati who framed him for sexual harrassment, he was digging too deep into the US' secrets that he almost learnt the Illuminati's darkest secret. Trust me I'm a member and part of anonymous

[QUOTE=Turnips5;37315250]I think Assange certainly did rape those two women (they came forward and there has been no evidence to the contrary, hell his own lawyer says he did it), but I very much doubt that this isn't politically motivated or there wouldn't have been the huge delay or interpol involved or fucking requests for extradition going on - but that's my limited view of it, I'm no expert I feel much, much worse for Manning tbh, he did us all a service and is currently rotting in a jail cell[/QUOTE] His own lawyer said he's guilty? He has a very terrible lawyer.

[QUOTE=Ereunity;37312606]Sweden is the USA's bitch. USA wants him extradited so he can be trialled for treason. Assange fled to the UK over charges that are trumped up since he had sex with them over 2 years ago. Not to mention that one of the girls even opened and closed her case against him a couple times.[/QUOTE] No matter how corrupt you think the US is, I think they'd still have a hard time convicting a non-citizen of treason.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;37315341]No matter how corrupt you think the US is, I think they'd still have a hard time convicting a non-citizen of treason.[/QUOTE] It's simple: Call it espionage.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37315319]His own lawyer said he's guilty? He has a very terrible lawyer.[/QUOTE] [url]http://studentactivism.net/2011/07/12/assange-lawyer-concedes/[/url] [editline]19th August 2012[/editline] perhaps not guilty of the exact charges levelled at him, but guilty of something like it shoulda said that

[QUOTE=Turnips5;37315250]I think Assange certainly did rape those two women (they came forward and there has been no evidence to the contrary, hell his own lawyer says he did it), but I very much doubt that this isn't politically motivated or there wouldn't have been the huge delay or interpol involved or fucking requests for extradition going on - but that's my limited view of it, I'm no expert I feel much, much worse for Manning tbh, he did us all a service and is currently rotting in a jail cell[/QUOTE] there's been no evidence to the contrary? one of the women was extremely close friends with the chief of police. however, they both waited years to come forward and press charges (one of them pressed charges then released them soon after) - and after the rape allegations the accusation quickly became "he didn't use a condom when i wanted him to" - but then there was absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support this claim. what on earth would even begin to possess you to think that assange has raped anybody, in a position such as his.

I think you guys all know something that for [I]some[/I] reason hasn't been said yet, and we're acting like it's the big elephant in the room. There is a perfectly explainable reason for why the United States is doing this. What Bradley Manning did (which was to steal confidential information with issues of national security) is considered treason in most-if not all- countries to date. For the United States, even if its people don't agree with the doggedness that the government pursues this exact situation, this is a "give an inch, give a mile" problem, where if they let Bradley Manning go for leaking this information, as well as let the publisher get away, it shows other people that they have the possibility of freely leaking classified information, as well as the fact that if you do, you can just run away to asylum and negate the consequences. Overall this is a very serious security risk for the United States and they're not going to simply stand down. Mind you, while I've said all of this, I do not agree with the way my government is doing this, I do not agree with their treatment or "indefinite detainment" of Bradley Manning, I'm simply pointing out the perspective of the National Security community within the United States.

[QUOTE=Bobie;37315563]there's been no evidence to the contrary? one of the women was extremely close friends with the chief of police. however, they both waited years to come forward and press charges (one of them pressed charges then released them soon after) - and after the rape allegations the accusation quickly became "he didn't use a condom when i wanted him to" - but then there was absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support this claim. what on earth would even begin to possess you to think that assange has raped anybody, in a position such as his.[/QUOTE] More than that, Assange hasn't even been [I]charged[/I] with anything. they want to take him to sweden for 'questioning' which then it's pretty obvious america can then extradite him and trial him for espionage etc.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37315371]It's simple: Call it espionage.[/QUOTE] Espionage these days usually just gets you kicked out of the country. Of course, he wasn't acting on the behalf of his government, so they probably don't have to worry about any diplomatic incidents if they send him to gitmo or whatever.

[QUOTE=Bobie;37315563]one of the women was extremely close friends with the chief of police[/QUOTE] doesn't necessarily prove anything [quote]however, they both waited years to come forward and press charges[/quote] not at all unheard of with rape victims, but I agree that it is suspicious that it happened at the exact same time the leaks were going down and countries were raging [quote]and after the rape allegations the accusation quickly became "he didn't use a condom when i wanted him to"[/quote] that is rape by quite a few definitions. here's the description that Assange's lawyer gave [quote]In the other incident, in which Assange is alleged to have held a woman down against her will during a sexual encounter, Emmerson offered this summary: “[The complainant] was lying on her back and Assange was on top of her … [she] felt that Assange wanted to insert his penis into her vagina directly, which she did not want since he was not wearing a condom … she therefore tried to turn her hips and squeeze her legs together in order to avoid a penetration … [she] tried several times to reach for a condom, which Assange had stopped her from doing by holding her arms and bending her legs open and trying to penetrate her with his penis without using a condom. [She] says that she felt about to cry since she was held down and could not reach a condom and felt this could end badly."[/quote] certainly sounds like rape to me [quote]what on earth would even begin to possess you to think that assange has raped anybody, in a position such as his.[/quote] the aforementioned accounts would inform my decision. maybe my information is completely obsolete or something (that article is from mid-2011), so if someone could post a better, more recent summary of proceedings that'd be welcome I still don't think he should be extradited to Sweden

[QUOTE=kenji;37315641]More than that, Assange hasn't even been [I]charged[/I] with anything. they want to take him to sweden for 'questioning' which then it's pretty obvious america can then extradite him and trial him for espionage etc.[/QUOTE] you don't get charged with anything in Sweden until after this "questioning" which is standard procedure for their justice system but please continue making shit up about justice systems you clearly don't understand

[QUOTE=Turnips5;37315693]doesn't necessarily prove anything not at all unheard of with rape victims, but I agree that it is suspicious that it happened at the exact same time the leaks were going down and countries were raging that is rape by quite a few definitions. here's the description that Assange's lawyer gave certainly sounds like rape to me the aforementioned accounts would inform my decision. maybe my information is completely obsolete or something (that article is from mid-2011), so if someone could post a better, more recent summary of proceedings that'd be welcome I still don't think he should be extradited to Sweden[/QUOTE] anyone can make up a rape story when the stakes are high enough. assange has been under house arrest for 621 days, surely in that time there would be some form of evidence that stretches beyond hearsay? the UK is asking for the IDs of all people entering and leaving the embassy, he has not been charged once. what kind of rapist gets put on the [URL="http://interpol.int/"]front page of the interpol website[/URL]? not to mention that ecuador isn't the only country supporting assange. most of latin america is.

[QUOTE=Bobie;37315870]not to mention that ecuador isn't the only country supporting assange. most of latin america is.[/QUOTE] source?

Say what you will about Assange, but I see no reason why they should release Manning, treason is treason, whether you like it or not.

[QUOTE=Bobie;37315870]what kind of rapist gets put on the [URL="http://interpol.int/"]front page of the interpol website[/URL]?[/QUOTE] the kind of rapist who also happens to be wanted by a bunch of countries for helping leak sensitive information? just saying, him being a rapist is not mutually exclusive with governments wanting him silenced

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37313627]Yes he violated the rules. Yes he shouldn't be released for it. But no, he should [B]not[/B] be tortured and should [B]not[/B] be held without trial as being "dealt with accordingly".[/QUOTE] Ex-PFC Manning should be made to dig holes.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;37315923]Say what you will about Assange, but I see no reason why they should release Manning, treason is treason, whether you like it or not.[/QUOTE] treason does not deserve such brutal containment conditions

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37315911]source?[/QUOTE] in the OAS meeting on the assange embassy siege, the US, Canada, Dominican Rep. and Panama expressed no support for ecuador's decisions, but the rest of latin america supported the actions. [url]http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/331027[/url]

First of all, there is no (publicly released) evidence about the rape claims for or against Assange either way except for what his lawyer had said and the allegations, second of all - [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1206006[/url]

[QUOTE=jiggu;37312565]But isn't it Sweden that wants him to come over, not the US? I may not be fully updated but AFAIK it's Sweden that wants him to come over. Or is the other guy being held in the US? I'm probably just mixing things up with all the other 10 threads about assange and the embassy, this one was more about the other guy.[/QUOTE] He is not referring to himself at all, he is referring to the US witch-hunt on Wikileaks. [editline]19th August 2012[/editline] Also transcript of his speech, trying to find a video [URL]http://www.eltelegrafo.com.ec/index.php?option=com_zoo&task=item&item_id=50541&Itemid=2[/URL] Edit: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VLE0puMvwc[/url] Video in case no noe has found it or seen it.

[QUOTE=Civil;37312594]The US controls the Swedish goverment with money etc illegaly so no.[/QUOTE] :tinfoil: