Assange speaks from embassy balcony, urges US to end 'witch hunt' and release Bradley Manning - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bobie;37313815]manning's services to humanity go far beyond any modern military. if he is released, along with the assange cases closing, it will be a great victory for freedom.[/QUOTE] What did he even leak that was so special?

[QUOTE=Civil;37312594]The US controls the Swedish goverment with money etc illegaly so no.[/QUOTE] More like our retarded Swedish government is butt licking the US government.

[QUOTE=Lazor;37315791]you don't get charged with anything in Sweden until after this "questioning" which is standard procedure for their justice system but please continue making shit up about justice systems you clearly don't understand[/QUOTE] Then why the fuck haven't they questioned him yet when they were given multiple opportunities to do so? If they need to extradite him to Sweden to question him, then they are either planning on torturing him or extraditing him to the USA. There is no reason they couldn't question him at the Ecuadorian Embassy.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37316619]What did he even leak that was so special?[/QUOTE] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning#Material_released_by_WikiLeaks[/URL] [img]http://snag.gy/lfTdB.jpg[/img] the man is a hero.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37316619]What did he even leak that was so special?[/QUOTE] Even if he leaked like toilet cleaning records of US bases they would still go after him, Wikileaks / Bradley Manning have made the US government look very stupid.

I can't believe that people still think this is about some rape case. When's the last time that a country risked an international incident (threatening to raid an embassy) over a rape case? There's probably a hundred rape cases that go unsolved everyday. If this was really about rape they would have brought significantly more people to justice by dedicating officers to that instead of standing outside the embassy.

Just leave him the fuck alone

[QUOTE=Bobie;37316667][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning#Material_released_by_WikiLeaks[/URL] [img]http://snag.gy/lfTdB.jpg[/img] the man is a hero.[/QUOTE] So he leaked a load a files, that doesn't make him a hero unless those files had something particularly damning in them.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37316753]So he leaked a load a files, that doesn't make him a hero unless those files had something particularly damning in them.[/QUOTE] Are you kidding? They revealed a ton of incidents in which the US covered up their own stupidity instead of exposing it to the public eye, who deserves to know what their government is doing. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CollateralMurder.ogv[/url]

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37316753]So he leaked a load a files, that doesn't make him a hero unless those files had something particularly damning in them.[/QUOTE] read the article again before you make claims like that.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37316753]So he leaked a load a files, that doesn't make him a hero unless those files had something particularly damning in them.[/QUOTE] A US helicopter shooting journalists was one of them...

[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;37316770]Are you kidding? They revealed a ton of incidents in which the US covered up their own stupidity instead of exposing it to the public eye, who deserves to know what their government is doing. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CollateralMurder.ogv[/url][/QUOTE] That stuff was fine, the other stuff he leaked was unnecessary

[QUOTE=UN Special Rapporteur Juan Mendez]"I conclude that the 11 months under conditions of solitary confinement (regardless of the name given to his regime by the prison authorities) constitutes at a minimum cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment in violation of article 16 of the convention against torture.[B] If the effects in regards to pain and suffering inflicted on Manning were more severe, they could constitute torture."[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SKEEA;37313537]We are not going to release PFC (now probably PVT) Manning. He clearly violated the UCMJ and is getting dealt with accordingly.[/QUOTE] can you go one post without sperging out over military terminology for no discernible reason he's getting dealt with accordingly by being shuffled around from gulag to gulag so he can be used as an example of what happens when you leak shit from the US govt (you get tortured)

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37316796]That stuff was fine, the other stuff he leaked was unnecessary[/QUOTE] It shouldn't be up to him to decide what is necessary or not. From my point of view, I would just release a bunch of stuff and let the public figure out what is important to them. I wouldn't really just pick things only I thought was important.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37316796]That stuff was fine, the other stuff he leaked was unnecessary[/QUOTE] yeah he really fuckin crossed the line by not filtering through tonnes of documents and saying "eh this one can stay", get over yourself

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37316796]That stuff was fine, the other stuff he leaked was unnecessary[/QUOTE] he states that all information should be free. that includes all of the information.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37316796]That stuff was fine, the other stuff he leaked was unnecessary[/QUOTE] Well I'm sorry that he didn't have time to sift through it all. He was one person. As soon as the files got released the media pretty much announced to the public to sift through it and email them anything that was interesting. The reason that so much was found so fast was because literally thousands of people were looking through the files. There's no way he could have done it himself. And there would have been no need for the leak if the US govt. admitted their mistakes.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37316815]It shouldn't be up to him to decide what is necessary or not. From my point of view, I would just release a bunch of stuff and let the public figure out what is important to them. I wouldn't really just pick things only I thought was important.[/QUOTE] Airforce guys killing civilians by accident is fair enough, the rest of it had names of informants and all kinds of stuff that could have endangered people, it was incredibly reckless to do what eh did.

If it is publically revealed that the US plan to throw Julian into Gitmo/execute him, and that they are collaborating with Sweden to extradite him to the US, as in it's all over the news, one could only imagine the political shitstorm and number of considerably irked protestors outside Washington, Parliament and Riksdagshuset (Swedish Parliament building). Also, d'you think Ecuador would consider dispatching a group of bodyguards to escort Julian and prevent him from being "forcibly escorted" to Sweden and the US? Or would that cause a moderately-sized shitstorm between Ecuador and the US/Sweden, provoking the deployment of a squad of SAS guys to take Julian by force? God that scenario sounds like something from a Tom Clancy novel or the Bourne movies, and that probably isn't good at all...

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37316841]Airforce guys killing civilians by accident is fair enough, the rest of it had names of informants and all kinds of stuff that could have endangered people, it was incredibly reckless to do what eh did.[/QUOTE] Yea, and instead of filtering through all those files himself to find something potentially damning, he gave it to an organization who would do it for him. I mean, it's the same reason why all those diplomatic cables were released as a whole instead of individually, even though there were (IIRC) millions of them. Journalists went through them and found the damning stuff. Manning is simply someone who was letting down the barrier between the government and its people so we could see it unfiltered. He allowed us to see the government for what it was versus what they want us to see. Sometimes important information is leaked and people are endangered(I don't think anyone was actually killed, however). These are risks we need to take for a transparent government.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37316897]Yea, and instead of filtering through all those files himself to find something potentially damning, he gave it to an organization who would do it for him. I mean, it's the same reason why all those diplomatic cables were released as a whole instead of individually, even though there were (IIRC) millions of them. Journalists went through them and found the damning stuff. Manning is simply someone who was letting down the barrier between the government and its people so we could see it unfiltered. He allowed us to see the government for what it was versus what they want us to see. Sometimes important information is leaked and people are endangered(I don't think anyone was actually killed, however). These are risks we need to take for a transparent government.[/QUOTE] Peoples lives are not an acceptable risk, especially considering all that was gained was that we found that, yet again, the airforce had shot friendlies, which spoke more for the pilot than the government itself.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37316927]Peoples lives are not an acceptable risk, especially considering all that was gained was that we found that, yet again, the airforce had shot friendlies, which spoke more for the pilot than the government itself.[/QUOTE] The government hid the action. And yea, if you want to live in a free and just society, it will endanger people's lives. That's an acceptable risk. If we wanted safety we would live in a fascist society that could provide it for us.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37316927]Peoples lives are not an acceptable risk, especially considering all that was gained was that we found that, yet again, the airforce had shot friendlies, which spoke more for the pilot than the government itself.[/QUOTE] if the government cared about people's lives they would've pulled out of the middle east a very long time ago

You can't really make the claim to be free and safe, because those two terms conflict with each other in very fundamental ways.

[QUOTE=Bobie;37315870] not to mention that ecuador isn't the only country supporting assange. most of latin america is.[/QUOTE] Chavez and Correa are not "most" of Latin America.

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;37317016]Chavez and Correa are not "most" of Latin America.[/QUOTE] i cited the source for who supports assange's asylum. not knowing [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivarian_Alliance_for_the_Americas"]who i was referring to[/URL] at this point is [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_South_American_Nations"]simply embarassing[/URL]

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37316927]Peoples lives are not an acceptable risk, especially considering all that was gained was that we found that, yet again, the airforce had shot friendlies, which spoke more for the pilot than the government itself.[/QUOTE] "He who would sacrifice liberty for security, deserves neither liberty nor security."

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37316796]That stuff was fine, the other stuff he leaked was unnecessary[/QUOTE] It isn't the job of the whistleblower to decide what needs to be public or not. That job is for the responsible media. [editline]19th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;37316841]Airforce guys killing civilians by accident is fair enough, the rest of it had names of informants and all kinds of stuff that could have endangered people, it was incredibly reckless to do what eh did.[/QUOTE] "accident" is an interesting way to refer to the collateral murder video.

[QUOTE=Simski;37317070]"He who would trade liberty for security, deserves neither liberty nor security."[/QUOTE] It's actually something to the effect of "essential liberty" and "little temporary safety." If you wouldn't trade any liberty for security, you'd be an anarchist.