[QUOTE=Strongbad;34578362]What exactly has he done?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Strongbad;34578362]What exactly has he done that he 'deserves' another term? I have noticed absolutely no changes for the better in the time he's been president. Prices where I live for everyday things keep increasing rather than going down. He's released or signed no beneficial bills(Remember NDAA?) that I've heard of, and he still has not fulfilled any of his promises he made in 2009. He can walk around saying "OH, I CAPTURED OSAMA BIN LADEN!" No matter how many times he says it, though, the only people who deserve credit for that operation are the military tacticians who planned it out beforehand.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, great "he has fulfilled no promises" comment there bud. Obama's an incredibly mediocre candidate as far as candidates can be, but to spew lies is just irresponsible.
[URL]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/[/URL]
165 kept out of 500 hardly strikes me as 'none'. Regardless of how ineffectual the healthcare reform bill and financial reform bill were (they were made so by entities other than Obama), DADT repeal passed and defense of DOMA was dropped.
Also, the fact that the economy in your specific area is not getting better does not necessarily reflect on how 'good' or 'bad' a job the president is doing, and beneficial bills he has proposed have been turned down, like the American Jobs Act.
I await your inevitable backpedal to "he hasn't done any important promises".
[QUOTE=Strongbad;34578362]What exactly has he done that he 'deserves' another term? I have noticed absolutely no changes for the better in the time he's been president. Prices where I live for everyday things keep increasing rather than going down. He's released or signed no beneficial bills(Remember NDAA?) that I've heard of, and he still has not fulfilled any of his promises he made in 2009. He can walk around saying "OH, I CAPTURED OSAMA BIN LADEN!" No matter how many times he says it, though, the only people who deserve credit for that operation are the military tacticians who planned it out beforehand.[/QUOTE]
"it's not reagan therefor i don't like it"
The way i see it, and i know people will disagree but:
I could vote for a bigot, or a down to earth guy.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34578497]Yeah, great "he has fulfilled no promises" comment there bud. Obama's an incredibly mediocre candidate as far as candidates can be, but to spew lies is just irresponsible.
[URL]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/[/URL]
165 kept out of 500 hardly strikes me as 'none'. Regardless of how ineffectual the healthcare reform bill and financial reform bill were (they were made so by entities other than Obama), DADT repeal passed and defense of DOMA was dropped.
Also, the fact that the economy in your specific area is not getting better does not necessarily reflect on how 'good' or 'bad' a job the president is doing, and beneficial bills he has proposed have been turned down, like the American Jobs Act.
I await your inevitable backpedal to "he hasn't done any important promises".[/QUOTE]
You misunderstand me, oh suave master of smart retorts. I'm not implying Obama is a terrible president - he is, in fact, a mediocre one, his only saving grace being his charisma. I'm implying that, seeing as he set out to improve conditions NATION-WIDE, he's so far failed if even one area is still in the shitter. That, my dear, qualifies as a 'recovering economy.' You see, something is fully recovered when all damage is repaired. In addition, we're basically screwed whoever gets elected. If obama stays in office, things keep declining. If one of the batshit insane candidates gets in, things keep declining and potentially get even worse. It must be incredibly convenient to have a small army's worth of excuses to fall back on and throw at anyone opposing obama. And finally, my opinion is just that - an opinion. If it really bothers you that much you can always ignore me. Or is it, perhaps, preying upon a fear in your mind that perhaps obama isn't doing as well as you think he is, and you're afraid that if you read too much of my posts you're going to start noticing his failings as well as his positive traits? Also, 165 kept out of 500 is still hardly anything, and is simply making a mountain out of a molehill in reverse logical terms by saying its' an achievement when it actually isn't.
[editline]6th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=thisispain;34578529]"it's not reagan therefor i don't like it"[/QUOTE]
Think before you spew. First of all, Reagan was not a bad president. Second of all, I never even mentioned my political orientation in my post. I simply said that, as a president, I do not like Obama, which is also not an indicator of my political status.
[QUOTE=Spooter;34577284]I would really like to see Paul and Obama have a debate. I just really don't want Paul to get elected. Paul'd be a one term president anyway seeing as how he'd hardly ever exercise any power beyond the strict interpretation of the constitution and constantly be butting heads with all of congress over it. I can't really see Paul being able to get anything done.[/QUOTE]
I want it to be Paul/Paul vs Obama/Biden. It'd be like having a younger clone as VP.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;34578598]
Think before you spew. First of all, Reagan was not a bad president.[/QUOTE]
reagan wasn't a bad president if you loved higher taxes on the lower-class, reduction of benefits, and idiotic religious dogma.
otherwise, reagan was horrible.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;34573297]You should still vote for him [B]as a Republican nominee.[/B]
The one thing I want the most for the 2012 campaign is a debate between Barack Obama and Ron Paul. There will be little doubt that Obama will win, but the points Ron Paul will bring up will highlight key issues that we are overlooking. Any other Republican candidate will be complete rhetorical bullshit.[/QUOTE]
I want an insane ass Republican (ie: insaner than RP ie: everyone else but RP) to get it, make it so Obama has a sure chance.
Than again, I would have RP as my second favorite candidate right now, I hate most of his views but he is better than the other repubs.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;34578598]You misunderstand me, oh suave master of smart retorts. I'm not implying Obama is a terrible president - he is, in fact, a mediocre one, his only saving grace being his charisma. I'm implying that, seeing as he set out to improve conditions NATION-WIDE, he's so far failed if even one area is still in the shitter. That, my dear, qualifies as a 'recovering economy.' You see, something is fully recovered when all damage is repaired. In addition, we're basically screwed whoever gets elected. If obama stays in office, things keep declining. If one of the batshit insane candidates gets in, things keep declining and potentially get even worse. It must be incredibly convenient to have a small army's worth of excuses to fall back on and throw at anyone opposing obama. And finally, my opinion is just that - an opinion. If it really bothers you that much you can always ignore me. Or is it, perhaps, preying upon a fear in your mind that perhaps obama isn't doing as well as you think he is, and you're afraid that if you read too much of my posts you're going to start noticing what he hasn't done? Also, 165 kept out of 500 is still hardly anything, and is simply making a mountain out of a molehill in reverse logical terms by saying its' an achievement when it actually isn't.[/QUOTE]
If your standard for 'is/was x a good president' is 'not even one area can be doing poorly', then you'll find that no president in history has been any good. If he set out to improve the economy, he's failed entirely if even one area is still doing poorly? What kind of sense does that make?
[editline]6th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Strongbad;34578598]Think before you spew. First of all, Reagan was not a bad president. [/QUOTE]
Oh so Reagan was 'not bad', but Obama is mediocre?
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;34577753]So sad we have to pick and choose which canidates are the least retarded.[/QUOTE]
this.
I really don't blame Obama for the issues in this country. Hes making every effort he can to get legislation out and try and compromise but the GOP is completely unreasonable and has resorted to stonewalling every bill he tries to pass. Its a shame really that its come to this point where the two parties are so bitterly divided that the GOP candidates care more about beating Obama than the economy or the well being of the average American.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34578674]If your standard for 'is/was x a good president' is 'not even one area can be doing poorly', then you'll find that no president in history has been any good. If he set out to improve the economy, he's failed entirely if even one area is still doing poorly? What kind of sense does that make?
[editline]6th February 2012[/editline]
Oh so Reagan was 'not bad', but Obama is mediocre?[/QUOTE]
I notice you completely fail to address several of my points. Anyways, I'm not saying that any president has been better than another. I'm saying that Obama in particular made a promise to bring about change. Hope and change, remember? He also promised to improve the economy nation wide. He has not done this. End of story. It's one of his most important responsibilities, and he has not done it. As for Reagan being "Not bad," I never said he was good, but IN MY OPINION, he proved to be better than Obama. See earlier point about OPINIONS.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34578674]Oh so Reagan was 'not bad', but Obama is mediocre?[/QUOTE]
I think it's really just a matter of opinion.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;34578763]I notice you completely fail to address several of my points. Anyways, I'm not saying that any president has been better than another. I'm saying that Obama in particular made a promise to bring about change. Hope and change, remember? He also promised to improve the economy nation wide. He has not done this. End of story. It's one of his most important responsibilities, and he has not done it. As for Reagan being "Not bad," I never said he was good, but IN MY OPINION, he proved to be better than Obama. See earlier point about OPINIONS.[/QUOTE]
If you recall he also said that improving the economy would take time and that it would likely take more than one term for Americans to see full recovery. Give the man a break, hes trying to clean up after 8 years of Bush and his terrible policies. The economy is improving, slowly, but surely.
[QUOTE=johnlmonkey;34578799]If you recall he also said that improving the economy would take time and that it would likely take more than one term for Americans to see full recovery. Give the man a break, hes trying to clean up after 8 years of Bush and his terrible policies. The economy is improving, slowly, but surely.[/QUOTE]
If he knew it would take more than one term for full recovery, why did he say he would be a 'one-term president' if it was still recovering in 2012?
[QUOTE=thisispain;34576267]you have to join the republican party to do that.[/QUOTE]
wrong, im registered independent and i am allowed to vote democrat or republican.
[editline]6th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=johnlmonkey;34578752]I really don't blame Obama for the issues in this country. Hes making every effort he can to get legislation out and try and compromise but the GOP is completely unreasonable and has resorted to stonewalling every bill he tries to pass. Its a shame really that its come to this point where the two parties are so bitterly divided that the GOP candidates care more about beating Obama than the economy or the well being of the average American.[/QUOTE]
when will you guys realize this, it was obvious in the 08 election. obama and mccain were two sides of the same coin, and the same thing applies now. they're all just going to increase spending and get you more dependent on the federal government.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;34578837]If he knew it would take more than one term for full recovery, why did he say he would be a 'one-term president' if it was still recovering in 2012?[/QUOTE]
I don't believe that was the exact wording of his quote. All I know is that he said it would take more than one term, likely more than one president ([url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/president-obama-on-60-minutes-recovery-will-likely-take-more-than-one-president/]Source[/url])
[editline]6th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Hayburner;34578930]wrong, im registered independent and i am allowed to vote democrat or republican.
[editline]6th February 2012[/editline]
when will you guys realize this, it was obvious in the 08 election. obama and mccain were two sides of the same coin, and the same thing applies now. they're all just going to increase spending and get you more dependent on the federal government.[/QUOTE]
I honestly believe we would be far worse off had we elected McCain. He was looking to stay in Iraq, continue Bush's policies and we'd likely be at war with Iran right about now.
[QUOTE=Hayburner;34578930]wrong, im registered independent and i am allowed to vote democrat or republican.[/QUOTE]
voting for democrat or republican is different from voting for who the party will elect as a nominee.
i'm not part of the democratic party or the republican party so i can't put in a vote for a nominee.
I believe my state has an open primary, so I can vote in either party.
In fact, this was a major contention point during our last governor election. Basically the claim was that people from both parties were voting in the opposing party's primary to try and get the less popular and less likable politicians the nomination, resulting in two equally mediocre candidates.
Obama repealed DADT, he's still decent in my book. I think he was just caught between a rock and a hard place when he decided to pass NDAA.
I don't like Obama, but all of the republicans are retards. He will probably win again, and I think I can venture to say he is a better candidate than Roseann.
[QUOTE=crackberry;34579261]I don't like Obama, but all of the republicans are retards. He will probably win again, and I think I can venture to say he is a better candidate than Roseann.[/QUOTE]
Hate to break it to you but, he already has won.
[QUOTE=Le Pwnapple;34579247]Obama repealed DADT, he's still decent in my book. I think he was just caught between a rock and a hard place when he decided to pass NDAA.[/QUOTE]It was more like a rolling boulder and a gaping pit.
[QUOTE=johnlmonkey;34578412]This will answer your questions: [url]http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
I love shocking my absurdly-Republican cousins with this website :v:
If I ever become President, I would promise not to run for reelection. I would then have the freedom to do what I want to help the USA without worrying about getting reelected.
[QUOTE=johnlmonkey;34578987]I honestly believe we would be far worse off had we elected McCain. He was looking to stay in Iraq, continue Bush's policies and we'd likely be at war with Iran right about now.[/QUOTE]
and obama failed his "promises" to get out of iraq, and now we're on the border of war with iran anyway since we're israel's bitch; not to mention the other things with your post that bother me. so.. whats the difference?
[QUOTE=Hidole555;34573297]You should still vote for him [B]as a Republican nominee.[/B]
The one thing I want the most for the 2012 campaign is a debate between Barack Obama and Ron Paul. There will be little doubt that Obama will win, but the points Ron Paul will bring up will highlight key issues that we are overlooking. Any other Republican candidate will be complete rhetorical bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Looking at all the bullshit FOX spews out about Obama, it's sad to say that not as many people will probably give him a vote (even though they're dumb as fuck in the first place for watching fox news). Ron Paul is always a second choice for me if anyone, although.
[QUOTE=person11;34579527]If I ever become President, I would promise not to run for reelection. I would then have the freedom to do what I want to help the USA without worrying about getting reelected.[/QUOTE]
Problem is four years isn't enough time to get anything done at a national level. You gotta remember congress is a slow beast, and if something is challenged in the courts, it'll take even longer.
[QUOTE=Hayburner;34580189]and obama failed his "promises" to get out of iraq, and now we're on the border of war with iran anyway since we're israel's bitch; not to mention the other things with your post that bother me. so.. whats the difference?[/QUOTE]
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[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57344752/last-u.s-troops-leave-iraq-as-war-ends/[/url]
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[url]http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/17/last-american-troops-leave-iraq-marking-end-war/[/url]
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[url]http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-troops-leave-iraq-ending-bloodiest-us-war/story?id=15180860#.TzBsZFzeAjI[/url]
How come everything you say comes off as insane and illogical.
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