Microsoft Surface RT priced at $499 or $599 with Touch Cover keyboard - Polidicks

Oh the price was one of the main reasons I was going to buy it and now I am disappointed. This news killed my afternoon.

[QUOTE=alexojm;38059843]Oh the price was one of the main reasons I was going to buy it and now I am disappointed. This news killed my afternoon.[/QUOTE] I agree, I was expecting these kind of prices for the x86 one. You can get a 14 inch i5+8gb ram laptop for £439 (without windows, however I assume MS don't have to pay themselves a license fee.) On top of that, +£60-100 for the digitizer and high res screen, £500 ish would have been acceptable for the i5 one, given that I bet MS could get hardware really cheap if they wanted to.

[QUOTE=Rika-chan;38059456]My Asus Transformers keyboard was $130 BUT it has a built in battery the effectivly doubles the tablets battery life,1x usb port, 1x sdcard slot[/QUOTE] Not to mention that the standalone Asus Transformer is cheaper than the surface and it has the same Tegra 3 CPU and GPS. And the infinity which would be at the same price, would have a 1080p screen.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;38059478]the funniest thing about ultrabooks is that the macbook air is still the cheapest despite companies like Acers putting out their usual turdbooks which still cost more than a mac[/QUOTE] There are plenty of ultrabooks and semi-ultrabooks that are better and cheaper than the air eg vaio s13a - same weight as air, magnesium+carbon fibre build, as powerful as macbook pro despite running cooler or the gigabyte u2442 series (may not be cheaper in US pricing) or the zenbooks (again may not be cheaper in US pricing) Any of which are far faster than the air, not to mention user upgradable and not tied to mac osx (let's face it, windows is crippled on macbooks)

[QUOTE=Darkimmortal;38060120]There are plenty of ultrabooks and semi-ultrabooks that are better and cheaper than the air eg vaio s13a - same weight as air, magnesium+carbon fibre build, as powerful as macbook pro despite running cooler or the gigabyte u2442 series (may not be cheaper in US pricing) or the zenbooks (again may not be cheaper in US pricing) Any of which are far faster than the air, not to mention user upgradable and not tied to mac osx (let's face it, windows is crippled on macbooks)[/QUOTE] you can get zenbooks for 700 usd or so while the mac book air is 999 usd

[QUOTE=rhx123;38059897]I agree, I was expecting these kind of prices for the x86 one. You can get a 14 inch i5+8gb ram laptop for £439 (without windows, however I assume MS don't have to pay themselves a license fee.) On top of that, +£60-100 for the digitizer and high res screen, £500 ish would have been acceptable for the i5 one, given that I bet MS could get hardware really cheap if they wanted to.[/QUOTE] Ehh, without checking UK prices I'll say that's a bit low. Anyhow, you have to think of screen quality and overall quality, not just pure specs. Sure you can get a Packard Bell crapbook for very little money, but it's never gonna be as good as an ASUS one. On top of that you'll have to place touch screen and the fact that it takes some money to get all that stuff crammed into a very little package. a laptop and a tablet is two very different animals.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;38060985]Ehh, without checking UK prices I'll say that's a bit low. Anyhow, you have to think of screen quality and overall quality, not just pure specs. Sure you can get a Packard Bell crapbook for very little money, but it's never gonna be as good as an ASUS one. On top of that you'll have to place touch screen and the fact that it takes some money to get all that stuff crammed into a very little package. a laptop and a tablet is two very different animals.[/QUOTE] The markup on all these products is pretty insane once you get to the higher price ranges, though apple are probably the worst in this regard. They'd easily make a substantial profit on a £500 surface, though I'd like to feel the build quality first before I even consider buying one. Also $100 for a keyboard cover is [i]mental[/i].

[QUOTE=Rika-chan;38059432]Relevant [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOHqG1nc_tw[/media] da fuck media tags are not working[/QUOTE] They are. You just gotta take out the s from https.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXsFNPO_gUM[/media] I was hoping they'd make them that size, then I would buy one no question; and I typically am a Mac fan. Any idea if they're going to make the large, table sized ones?

[QUOTE=rundevil;38061146][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXsFNPO_gUM[/media] I was hoping they'd make them that size, then I would buy one no question; and I typically am a Mac fan. Any idea if they're going to make the large, table sized ones?[/QUOTE] They renamed them to [url]http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/pixelsense/default.aspx[/url]

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;38061083]The markup on all these products is pretty insane once you get to the higher price ranges, though apple are probably the worst in this regard. They'd easily make a substantial profit on a £500 surface, though I'd like to feel the build quality first before I even consider buying one. Also $100 for a keyboard cover is [i]mental[/i].[/QUOTE] Well, if I remember correctly, Apple is doing $40 for their smartcover ($70 for the leather one, again afaik), so 100$ for both a keyboard and cover isn't completely insane. You have to remember that it's actually quite an engeneering feat as well. If it's too expensive, buy a bluetooth keyboard that connects via USB - it's supported anyway.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;38061328]Well, if I remember correctly, Apple is doing $40 for their smartcover ($70 for the leather one, again afaik), so 100$ for both a keyboard and cover isn't completely insane. You have to remember that it's actually quite an engeneering feat as well. If it's too expensive, buy a bluetooth keyboard that connects via USB - it's supported anyway.[/QUOTE] I think the mitigating factor here is that keyboards for the Asus tablets are in the same price point, also act as a cover, but provide extra battery life and full-blown USB connectivity, for the same price as these keyboard covers.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;38061328]bluetooth keyboard that connects via USB[/QUOTE] wat

[QUOTE=Warship;38061180]They renamed them to [url]http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/pixelsense/default.aspx[/url][/QUOTE] ahh, that'd be why I stopped hearing about them. that 8,000$ price tag is going to take a bit of saving. Good thing I can write it off as a business expense :V

Once the Pro version comes out I might be tempted to sell my IPad and get it, however it depends on the price mainly, the RT version seems to be the same sort of restrictions as the Ipad

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;38060985]Ehh, without checking UK prices I'll say that's a bit low. Anyhow, you have to think of screen quality and overall quality, not just pure specs. Sure you can get a Packard Bell crapbook for very little money, but it's never gonna be as good as an ASUS one. On top of that you'll have to place touch screen and the fact that it takes some money to get all that stuff crammed into a very little package. a laptop and a tablet is two very different animals.[/QUOTE] I did just post the UK pricing for Surface RT, so I assumed that Pro will be more. The £439 laptop was specced from PCSpecialist, and is a Clevo, and I have used a few modern Clevo's and in my opinion build quality is top notch. However I can't comment on the display quaility of the panel in this laptop: [URL]http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/ultraNote/[/URL] I do take your point about laptops and tablets being different, however the laptop from PCS has the components bought buy PCSpecialist, which is a smaller company, and I would guess Microsoft would be able to secure the parts at a lower price than an small, Independant UK business.

[QUOTE=Isuzu;38059502]who the hell still cares about APPS om my gode APPLICATION for my PORTABLE COMPUTE DEVICE makes me so DAMP OMG if i cannot download my free iButtscratcher app which is a badly compressed image of pete griffie from the family gyu who say buttscratcher!!! when u tap his face ill never buy your BAD touch DEIVCE wtf im a consumer I have rights! Wanna know how many 3rd party apps are useful enough that I use them daily? 2. and they are on all systems.[/QUOTE] Call me weird then but if I wanted that functionality I wouldn't buy a $600 deal and get something that can do that for half the price.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38061892]Call me weird then but if I wanted that functionality I wouldn't buy a $600 deal and get something that can do that for half the price.[/QUOTE] My Xoom cost me $330 and it also has 32GB of storage.

[QUOTE=lordofdafood;38061695]Once the Pro version comes out I might be tempted to sell my IPad and get it, however it depends on the price mainly, the RT version seems to be the same sort of restrictions as the Ipad[/QUOTE] Same here, i think having a full OS on a tabled is more usefull then a tabled OS for me. especialy in the train to school and back it's mostly too crowded to take out my laptop.

[QUOTE=Warship;38061526]wat[/QUOTE] Yeah, that sounds stupid. You know what I meant. I think. [editline]16th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=rhx123;38061865]I did just post the UK pricing for Surface RT, so I assumed that Pro will be more. The £439 laptop was specced from PCSpecialist, and is a Clevo, and I have used a few modern Clevo's and in my opinion build quality is top notch. However I can't comment on the display quaility of the panel in this laptop: [URL]http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/ultraNote/[/URL] I do take your point about laptops and tablets being different, however the laptop from PCS has the components bought buy PCSpecialist, which is a smaller company, and I would guess Microsoft would be able to secure the parts at a lower price than an small, Independant UK business.[/QUOTE] You'll need to spec it up with both an SSD, touchscreen, and include it all in a [I]very[/I] thin package. There's just no point in comparing a tablet and a laptop.

The keyboard looks like something I'd buy for maybe $50, not 119 or 129, and with two options I can see the price add but maybe $5 more not 10?

I [I]thought [/I]I was getting a portable computer around Christmas, I guess not.

Welp it seems the first batch of surfaces sold out as shipping is now set to three weeks after the 26th.

[QUOTE=barttool;38067245]Welp it seems the first batch of surfaces sold out as shipping is now set to three weeks after the 26th.[/QUOTE] Awesome, but when are the x86 ones showing up? As neat as the idea of having a full windows OS is I'd really like to be able to run desktop apps. I can't find anything about the x86 version in the store

[QUOTE=Elspin;38067937]Awesome, but when are the x86 ones showing up? As neat as the idea of having a full windows OS is I'd really like to be able to run desktop apps. I can't find anything about the x86 version in the store[/QUOTE] in january most likely

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;38062831] [editline]16th October 2012[/editline] You'll need to spec it up with both an SSD, touchscreen, and include it all in a [I]very[/I] thin package. There's just no point in comparing a tablet and a laptop.[/QUOTE] In terms of hardware yes, but in terms of me needing a portable machine on a fairly limited budget, I'm going to compare products I am considering buying. A laptop also comes with a keyboard, whereas the physical keyboard for surface is an extra £110. That's more than the difference from an Dual Core i5 to a Quad i7. It just seems to me that MS is marketing it as a luxury product, and while I don't have a problem with luxury products, I don't know if MS has the reputation of Apple to sell a premium product.

[QUOTE=rhx123;38072084]In terms of hardware yes, but in terms of me needing a portable machine on a fairly limited budget, I'm going to compare products I am considering buying. A laptop also comes with a keyboard, whereas the physical keyboard for surface is an extra £110. That's more than the difference from an Dual Core i5 to a Quad i7. It just seems to me that MS is marketing it as a luxury product, and while I don't have a problem with luxury products, I don't know if MS has the reputation of Apple to sell a premium product.[/QUOTE] Well, if you're just looking for a portable machine that gets the job done, obviously you're not in the market for a Surface. It [I]is[/I] a, if not luxury, then at least not strictly needed product, and that is why I don't think you should compare it to a laptop. It's ARM dammit, it doesn't even run the same programs.