Iran Science and Tech Expo Displays Scientific Advances are Coming at a Rapid-Fire Pace - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27913376]The Arab world really need scientific and technological advances.[/QUOTE] yeah, it has been too long. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_golden_age#Sciences[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Muslim_world[/url] It all makes sense, though. Although it is behind, Iran is kicking the US's ass in terms of technological development for a nation of its state. The US isn't throwing claims that Iran is making nukes because it thinks the Iranian government will attack Israel(I recall the Ayatollah decreed a fatwa banning nuclear arms), it is because it wants to stop Iran from advancing. Same thing with all these retarded right wing pundits saying that the Egyptian revolution is a threat because it will be ruled by islamic extremists. The only way America looks good is because of this stupid thing we call democracy and freedom, which doesn't even exist in America. Everytime you talk shit about America, people say "well in (insert authoritarian country), you don't have the freedom to express yourself like that, and they are poor!" But what happens when these countries have stable governments with good economies and a free lifestyle? All of a sudden, this "freedom" rhetoric is BS. Its simple psychology, really. The United States is pretty much a bully: the only way to make itself look good is by lowering the self-esteem and images of others.

[QUOTE=Contag;27912065]Rapid scientific advancement hand in hand with economic mismanagement and petrol rationing. Yeah, right. Aha, oh wow![/QUOTE] Iran is an extremely modernized country that unfortunately clings on to some very old Islamic laws and customs. In a decade or two I'm willing to bet that they'll be more or less a western country.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;27921910]Iran is an extremely modernized country that unfortunately clings on to some very old Islamic laws and customs. In a decade or two I'm willing to bet that they'll be more or less a western country.[/QUOTE] Why do people associate non-islamic with western? Why can't we all drop this west/orient/islamic BS?

Western as in the sense of 'post-theocratic' society.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;27922269]Western as in the sense of 'post-theocratic' society.[/QUOTE] More like "post-christian" This type of classification often implies that non-western societies are inferior or outdated, usually a resulting analysis of the intellectually lazy. Orientalism by Edward Said. Good read.

The people are post-theocratic, the government is not. These scientists are mostly working on things that are government projects with an physical goal in mind like launching a satellite or having a space program. It's not really anything new and after being cut off from a lot of the scientific community, they are just progressing like most other countries did when the knowledge was not readily available.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;27917198]:frog:[/QUOTE] It's obviously a reference to CoD. That's how fast it's going, Rapid Fire fast.

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27913376]The Arab world really need scientific and technological advances.[/QUOTE] Except iranians aren't arabs.

Didn't the CIA completely ratfuck their nuclear program with a computer virus? Am I wrong on this?

i dont think it was successful at shutting it down

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;27915809]If I was suddenly a God, I would grab all the powerful people in this world and take them all into a big conference room and make them sign a couple of papers that makes them all pull the same rope, in terms of technology, weaponry, everything. Them all sharing the same budget, the same goals.. oh boy I couldn't even imagine all the fun they could come up with, together, in the name of humanity.[/QUOTE] Right... :rolleyes:

persians in space

[QUOTE=Nahyan;27922093]Why do people associate non-islamic with western? Why can't we all drop this west/orient/islamic BS?[/QUOTE] It has less to do with geographical location and more to do with philosophy. The Orient and Occident have had massively different cultures throughout history.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;27921910]Iran is an extremely modernized country that unfortunately clings on to some very old Islamic laws and customs. In a decade or two I'm willing to bet that they'll be more or less a western country.[/QUOTE] They were a rather modernized country, however Khomeini delayed their progress significantly, and the place has been relatively stagnant for the last thirty years. Instead of the being the shining beacon of progress in the Middle East, the Islamist hijacking of the Iranian Revolution has substantially hindered any and all progress. Relatively, yes, they aren't a backwater shithole, but they are by no means either a first-world state or advanced (in comparison to modern Western states). Interesting fact: The Iranian Science Minister co-authorized a paper that copied (verbatim in some parts) another, earlier paper. [url]http://www.rferl.org/content/Iran_Science_Minister_In_Plagiarism_Scandal/1830107.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Contag;27928803]They were a rather modernized country, however Khomeini delayed their progress significantly, and the place has been relatively stagnant for the last thirty years. Instead of the being the shining beacon of progress in the Middle East, the Islamist hijacking of the Iranian Revolution has substantially hindered any and all progress. Relatively, yes, they aren't a backwater shithole, but they are by no means either a first-world state or advanced (in comparison to modern Western states). [/QUOTE] You know it’s essentially America’s fault (incoming persecution complex) that Iran has been theologized. If America never overthrew the democratically elected government in 1953 to place a puppet oppressive dictator to support Israel and USA, Iran would have no revolution. They would have had they stayed secular and democratic, and likely be a shining beacon. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nahyan;27921808]yeah, it has been too long. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_golden_age#Sciences[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Muslim_world[/url] It all makes sense, though. Although it is behind, Iran is kicking the US's ass in terms of technological development for a nation of its state. The US isn't throwing claims that Iran is making nukes because it thinks the Iranian government will attack Israel(I recall the Ayatollah decreed a fatwa banning nuclear arms), it is because it wants to stop Iran from advancing. Same thing with all these retarded right wing pundits saying that the Egyptian revolution is a threat because it will be ruled by islamic extremists. The only way America looks good is because of this stupid thing we call democracy and freedom, which doesn't even exist in America. Everytime you talk shit about America, people say "well in (insert authoritarian country), you don't have the freedom to express yourself like that, and they are poor!" But what happens when these countries have stable governments with good economies and a free lifestyle? All of a sudden, this "freedom" rhetoric is BS. Its simple psychology, really. The United States is pretty much a bully: the only way to make itself look good is by lowering the self-esteem and images of others.[/QUOTE] [quote]because of this stupid thing we call democracy and freedom, which doesn't even exist in America.[/quote] If you said this in Iran, you would be taken by plainclothes Basij, and, well, you wouldn't be able to say that. [quote] But what happens when these countries have stable governments with good economies and a free lifestyle? All of a sudden, this "freedom" rhetoric is BS.[/quote] What countries are you talking about that have stable governments with good economies and a free lifestyle? I agree that every time a US president talks about liberating another country for freedom, they're referring to occupying and installing a pro-US government, and freedom doesn't isn't at all in those circumstances, but certainly freedom as an ideal is vitally important? [quote]Its simple psychology, really. The United States is pretty much a bully: the only way to make itself look good is by lowering the self-esteem and images of others.[/quote] Simple psychology? Sure, it's not immensely complicated and sophisticated geopolitics that have myriad variables - no, it's simple psychology. Jesus fucking christ, are you really that stupid, or are you just parroting something you heard elsewhere? [editline]8th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Starpluck;27928897]You know it’s essentially America’s fault (incoming persecution complex) that Iran has been theologized. If America never overthrew the democratically elected government in 1953 to place a puppet oppressive dictator to support Israel and USA, Iran would have been no revolution. They would have been had they stayed the same. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat[/URL][/QUOTE] Of course? It's Iran history 101. Except it wasn't just America's fault, it was the British Empire's as well, as most of Iran's history up until 1979 was the Iranian people getting dicked by foreign western powers. If it weren't for the Shah(s), they would be no need for the revolution that was initially intended to bring forth a Marxist government. Which would have been a much, much better thing. Good job America, you destroy secular Arab Nationalism, and now look at the result: Islamist radicalization of the region (and, to much lesser extent, domestically). [editline]8th February 2011[/editline] But then, hey, what's a few million lives for a casus belli, and the continual errosion of freedoms that make the United States the 'land of the *snigger* free'.

[QUOTE=Contag;27928902]If you said this in Iran, you would be taken by plainclothes Basij, and, well, you wouldn't be able to say that. [/QUOTE] lol why would you arrrested by Basji for saying America sucks

[QUOTE=JLea;27928981]lol why would you arrested by Basji for saying America sucks[/QUOTE] I meant if you said the same thing about the Iranian Republic.

Sure.. copy technology that the western world has already created and proclaim it as if you're the first. This thread is giving Iran too much credit.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;27928897]You know it’s essentially America’s fault (incoming persecution complex) that Iran has been theologized. If America never overthrew the democratically elected government in 1953 to place a puppet oppressive dictator to support Israel and USA, Iran would have no revolution. They would have had they stayed secular and democratic, and likely be a shining beacon. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat[/URL][/QUOTE] It's also Germany's fault that Stalin killed millions because they gave Lenin safe passage in WW1. It's the UK and France's fault for WW2 because the Treaty of Versailles fucked Germany over and allowed someone as manipulative as Hitler to take power. It's the US' fault for Napoleon because they didn't help the French after their revolution and made the Reign of Terror easy for Napoleon to come to power. It's Gaul's fault for being such an easy victory for Julius Caesar that gave him the popularity to become Emperor and the lineage of Caesar's from then on. The distance between setting up the Shah and the Islamic revolution is unforseen and while the US kicked off a few events that led to it, there were far too many other factors involved to pin the blame on just them. The number of possible, better outcomes that could of just as easily come from the US' actions mean they had no control over it and were just another part in the ultimate end. Also stop your dreamy glorious Iran bullshit. They would of had to deal with the same shit that was going on in the middle east and some other horrible tragedy would happen to them. Probably them getting their ass kicked by Saddam or having a revolution anyway. It doesn't exist in a vacuum and shit would happen regardless.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;27928897]You know it’s essentially America’s fault (incoming persecution complex) that Iran has been theologized. If America never overthrew the democratically elected government in 1953 to place a puppet oppressive dictator to support Israel and USA, Iran would have no revolution. They would have had they stayed secular and democratic, and likely be a shining beacon. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat[/URL][/QUOTE] America didn't put Islamists in power. Islamists put Islamists in power. You can blame the West for destabilising the region, but the 1979 revolution did NOT have to place violent, radical Islamic fundamentalists in power. Nor is the US (you're forgetting the British) remotely responsible for what the Islamists did AFTER they gained power. E: There's a bad mindset amongst some FP members that religious Islamic fundamentalism is never responsible for itself - it either doesn't exist, or is a direct result of Western action, thus all the Middle East's horrors can really be blamed on the West. That's not true.

It's funny because the arab world used to be a center of learning.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;27934573]It's funny because the arab world used to be a center of learning.[/QUOTE] Iran isn't an Arab country.

all you guys arguing "iran is a shit dumb country" and "oh iran is actually super hyper modern country" don't seem to provide any reasons for those conclusions

[QUOTE=ohadje;27935848]Iran isn't an Arab country.[/QUOTE] Persia!

[QUOTE=Alvaldi;27926780]i dont think it was successful at shutting it down[/QUOTE] It wasn't meant to. Stuxnet was designed to allow the program to progress, but never to succeed. By Stuxnet giving inaccurate data the program had no chance of success.

I think it's funny that some so called liberals on this site actually support fundamentalist theocracies and try to defend them constantly. I'm a liberal by the way.

"as the country begins events to mark the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic Revolution." Oh Starpluck, you so crazy :rolleyes: