UNRWA: Israel bombs another UN school despite them telling Israel 17 times that the school housed ci - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Starpluck;45547917]And yet none or those nations are shielded by a super power at the Security Council and given $4 billion in military aid annually to further enable itself[/QUOTE] But nobody is even batting an eye at them. The reason the jews get shitloads of money from the US is because we put them there. At the end of WWII it was either integrate them into US society (where they'd continue to face ethnic discrimination) or throw them in the desert. So, your options were finish off what Hitler did, or let them cleanse some arabs. You don't win either way.

I'm not sure I support any action towards Israel, but if Israel fell to Palestine I wouldn't shed a tear. I just hope they have a greater care for civilian life than Israelis.

[QUOTE=Megadave;45556365]I'm not sure I support any action towards Israel, but if Israel fell to Palestine I wouldn't shed a tear. I just hope they have a greater care for civilian life than Israelis.[/QUOTE]Are you serious? If Israel somehow manages to fall to Palestine, all jews will be slaughtered and some sort of stupid sharia law put in place for muslims living there.

[QUOTE=Binladen34;45556346]But nobody is even batting an eye at them. The reason the jews get shitloads of money from the US is because we put them there. At the end of WWII it was either integrate them into US society (where they'd continue to face ethnic discrimination) or throw them in the desert. So, your options were finish off what Hitler did, or let them cleanse some arabs. You don't win either way.[/QUOTE] Look its a little late and I'm too tired to explain the many ways in which you are wrong on this. Here's some reading material to get you started if you're interested: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Zionism_and_the_British_mandate"]The State of Israel's history, starting with the Balfour Declaration[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations"]Israel-United States relations[/URL]

[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45556073]Why is it so inconceivable that all we want from the is to stop trying to kill us? We fucking gave them Gaza back already.[/QUOTE] How about Israel gives back the rest of Palestine they stole then?

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;45556407]What is that "part", really? Which "part" of the Palestinians are done for, destructed? Its just indiscrimanate killing. Did they clean Gaza of Arabs? Or just Beit Lahia? If you say anything targeting a specific nationality which involves killing is genocide, then I must disagree. Even if nationalist hatred gets involved in this, its just hatred and leads to indiscrimanate killing, not genocide. The real genocide, if there is one, goes on in West Bank, according to your definition, cause thats where Palestinian Society is getting destructed and Israeli one is getting established via settlers. God, I cant believe Im defending Israel.[/QUOTE] If it helps, you're not. It doesn't matter if it's ethnic cleansing or just mass killing. It's a lot of people being killed that shouldn't die. It's wrong either way. I'm curious though. I keep bringing up this point out and still haven't gotten a satisfactory answer. Why is is that this specific conflict immediately draws people into debate over genocide and ethnic cleansing? What makes this conflict, even with it's far too many civilian victims, worse to the point of war crime than any other, well, war? I'm clarifying again that I'm not trying to justify anything. Two wrongs do not make a right. A death is a death is a death. Other, more bloody campaigns do not make this one okay. BUT. The NATO bombings of Yugoslavia in the 90's killed 20,000 civilians. Over 100,000 people have already died in Syria. Over 10,000 people killed in Iraq since Obama got elected and so on and so forth. Can you think of a modern conflict, especially one fought in an urban environment, that did not claim obscene amounts of innocent lives? What makes this war different? [editline]1st August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Kierany9;45556497]How about Israel gives back the rest of Palestine they stole then?[/QUOTE] I can answer this seriously, if you want. But before I do, do you mean the West Bank or all of Israel?

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;45556407]What is that "part", really? Which "part" of the Palestinians are done for, destructed? Its just indiscrimanate killing. Did they clean Gaza of Arabs? Or just Beit Lahia? If you say anything targeting a specific nationality which involves killing is genocide, then I must disagree. Even if nationalist hatred gets involved in this, its just hatred and leads to indiscrimanate killing, not genocide. The real genocide, if there is one, goes on in West Bank, according to your definition, cause thats where Palestinian Society is getting destructed and Israeli one is getting established via settlers. God, I cant believe Im defending Israel.[/QUOTE] Read the full list of examples of what can classify as genocide. I am mostly referring to "C", they are limiting the land(the so called buffer zone) and fishing area available, as well as have disabled the main power plant for the area, which can in turn cause the population denisty as it is to be unsustainable if they continue the blockades and campaign.

[QUOTE=Kierany9;45556497]How about Israel gives back the rest of Palestine they stole then?[/QUOTE] Nobody stole anything. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_%28legal_instrument%29"]Jewish people got "Palestine" from UK[/URL].

Again, I can't help but think of this video when who owns what land arguments show up. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY&feature=youtu.be[/url]

[QUOTE=Hammer7;45556618]Nobody stole anything. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_%28legal_instrument%29"]Jewish people got "Palestine" from UK[/URL].[/QUOTE] The British didn't own Palestine, they were a colonial power present there.

[QUOTE=Lamar;45556766]The British didn't own Palestine, they were a colonial power present there.[/QUOTE] Define "own" then?

[QUOTE=Lamar;45556766]The British didn't own Palestine, they were a colonial power present there.[/QUOTE] The British owned it in the exact same sense as the Ottoman Empire owned it before them. The people we now call "Palestinians" have never been a self-governing people with their own nation. They were simply the people living in the geographical region called Palestine, including the Jews who originally lived there during the time of the Ottoman Empire.

[QUOTE=sgman91;45557194]The British owned it in the exact same sense as the Ottoman Empire owned it before them. The people we now call "Palestinians" have never been a self-governing people with their own nation. They were simply the people living in the geographical region called Palestine, including the Jews who originally lived there during the time of the Ottoman Empire.[/QUOTE] Yeah, so long as a colonial power is in place the rights of the indigenous people are void.

[QUOTE=sgman91;45557194]including the Jews who originally lived there[/QUOTE] I remember reading all about the previous occupiers of that land. The Natuufians were the first people there to my knowledge.

[QUOTE=Hammer7;45556618]Nobody stole anything. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_%28legal_instrument%29"]Jewish people got "Palestine" from UK[/URL].[/QUOTE] While the UK had no right to do that, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the occupation of the West Bank after that.

[QUOTE=Kardia;45557674]I remember reading all about the previous occupiers of that land. The Natuufians were the first people there to my knowledge.[/QUOTE] By originally I just meant before the creation of the Israeli state.