• Intruder Calls 911, Afraid Homeowner May Have Gun
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[QUOTE=johan_sm;28497335]What the fuck? You forget to lock your door? Whoa that's really bad memory. Also I don't really care about Obama since I'm not american. But still, forgetting to lock your door is a really bad thing. It happened to me once but then I was going out, not in. Also I was like 10 then. Thank god no drunk stumbled in.[/QUOTE] I don't lock my door, all locking your door does is fuck up the door frame even more when the deadbolt fails, that why you have a gun instead
[QUOTE=faze;28493986]Yes it is. I'll shoot to severely injure if somebody breaks in. I have a laser pointer mounted to my 45 that I sleep next to, and I'm a fucking great shot. I'll shoot out both his kneecaps before he can get near me or my wife.[/QUOTE] you're a terrible gun owner if you don't know that you either shoot to stop or don't shoot at all, there is no "shoot to wound or incapacitate" and you'd lose your license and be charged with negligent use of a firearm.
[QUOTE=faze;28497013]Great, then you are charged with police impersonation. Not taken lightly most places, just give up. You have no argument.[/QUOTE] Your argument is that you should be able to kill people even if they don't pose an immediate threat, just because. There's not much you can say about that.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28497352]I'm just saying that simply because someone has entered your home uninvited, doesn't mean they are a threat to you or your family. I don't see why you can't understand this. Most burglars would say "holy shit" and run away if they saw you pointing a gun at them but you wouldn't even give them that chance. [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] I don't usually have my door locked when I'm at home. At night or when I'm away I lock it.[/QUOTE] :v: Didn't Michael Moore visit Canada and walk into like 20 some odd houses and their door were unlocked
[QUOTE=RG4;28497666]:v: Didn't Michael Moore visit Canada and walk into like 20 some odd houses and their door were unlocked[/QUOTE] They showed him finding a few but it was never revealed how many locked doors he tried first.
But still who doesn't lock their doors
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28497705]They showed him finding a few but it was never revealed how many locked doors he tried first.[/QUOTE] Well, I live in Canada and most families I know leave their door unlocked if they aren't away or sleeping. There's not a lot of cases here of people just walking in and holding families hostage or something as far as I know.
[QUOTE=RG4;28497728]But still who doesn't lock their doors[/QUOTE] Lots of people, depending on where they live.
I always thought that leaving your door unlocked during the morning and afternoon was normal. That's what everybody does in my neighborhood, anyway.
[QUOTE=Sanius;28497782]I always thought that leaving your door unlocked during the morning and afternoon was normal. That's what everybody does in my neighborhood, anyway.[/QUOTE] In the summer I leave the main door open, with just the small outside one closed. You could pull it off its hinges with one hand if you wanted.
[QUOTE=faze;28491047] This reminds me of the story a few years ago where this guy broke into a house through the skylight, fell on a knife and sued the lady for something stupid...but he actually won.[/QUOTE] That was from Liar Liar dummy
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;28497525]you're a terrible gun owner if you don't know that you either shoot to stop or don't shoot at all, there is no "shoot to wound or incapacitate" and you'd lose your license and be charged with negligent use of a firearm.[/QUOTE] So much agree. This "Shoot first, ask questions later" shit floating around is fucking retarded. You dont shoot someone unless they present a credible threat. Simply kicking down your down is not threatening your life. You shouldn't even think about pulling that trigger unless you are positive that the person is a threat to your life. And if you do end up having to pull that trigger, you ALWAYS shoot to kill. Shooting to wound is retarded in a 1000 different ways. To people reading this thread, please understand that not all firearms owners are retarded hicks who would love the thought of lighting up the first person to walk in their door uninvited.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;28498395]To people reading this thread, please understand that not all firearms owners are retarded hicks who would love the thought of lighting up the first person to walk in their door uninvited.[/QUOTE] Of course. But it's terrifying that pretty much everyone who thinks like that owns at least one gun.
[QUOTE=Sanius;28492668]I think a better question is why you feel entitled to kill somebody who is invading your home.[/QUOTE] and i think the best question is how the fuck they can expect to invade my home in the first place and not get shot if you know that it's a possibility to get shot for breaking into someone's house [B]don't fucking break into people's houses[/B] if you get shot then you had it coming
I see two sides to this argument First side is that if you're in your house at night and someone breaks in, they obviously want something. What that something is isn't known but they were determined enough to enter your home so you have to assume the worst. The other side is correct in the thinking that simply grabbing your gun and blowing away anything without warning is silly. Every [i]responsible[/i] gun owner will be more then happy to yell at said robber to go away, most likely threatening to shoot them. There was a robbery on my street years ago. This little old woman (who passed away shortly after) lived alone. One night two guys kicked down her side door. As the neighbors called 911 they heard yelling from inside the house, seconds later the two robbers bolted out of the broken door being chased by a little old lady with her husband's hunting shotgun. The robbers said that, with shotgun in hand, she politely asked them to leave the house :v:
[QUOTE=noobcake;28498528] if you get shot then you had it coming[/QUOTE] Title material
I live in Australia, so my home defense system is a cricket bat, a beer bottle, or a bow :v:
[QUOTE=johan_sm;28491159]America, where criminals get more rights than citizens.[/QUOTE] (Most) criminals are citizens, smartass.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;28498395]So much agree. This "Shoot first, ask questions later" shit floating around is fucking retarded. You dont shoot someone unless they present a credible threat. Simply kicking down your down is not threatening your life. You shouldn't even think about pulling that trigger unless you are positive that the person is a threat to your life. And if you do end up having to pull that trigger, you ALWAYS shoot to kill. Shooting to wound is retarded in a 1000 different ways. To people reading this thread, please understand that not all firearms owners are retarded hicks who would love the thought of lighting up the first person to walk in their door uninvited.[/QUOTE] You don't shoot to kill, either. You shoot to stop the threat, whether or not they die is an afterthought.
[QUOTE=thirty9th;28494396]If you shoot to injure someone, you can be fucked in court. That indicates to the jury that you were not shooting to defend yourself (to eliminate the threat and kill the person) and were shooting simply to hurt and incapacitate the other person.[/QUOTE] If you shoot, you shoot to kill REGARDLESS. If I learned anything from my grandpa, it's to shoot first and shoot to kill
[QUOTE=Mingebox;28499429]You don't shoot to kill, either. You shoot to stop the threat, whether or not they die is an afterthought.[/QUOTE] If the threat is armed and you wound them, there is a chance that they can still attack. Shooting to "stop the threat" and shooting to kill are the same thing.
Honestly, if someone breaks into my house, I would get behind a corner and yell at them that they have 5 seconds to drop whatever they have and leave or I am making use of the gun in my hand. And the whole "you might shoot a cop!" argument was stupid since police don't break down your door, crouch up next to you and whisper "We have a warrant and we are here to arrest you" They knock on your door, scream that its the police and they have a warrant, and if you don't come out they bust the door down and storm into your house. If at any point you "accidentally" fired at a cop, you did it ON PURPOSE. I remember in the last thread like this, the bleeding hearts were so docile that they said they would rather let the intruder tie them to a chair and steal everything from their house than try to stop them.
[QUOTE=Sanius;28494078]A threat to what? Your window, your door? Under your logic, you would be justified in shooting somebody dead if they kicked open your door, stepped in, and just stood there for an hour.[/QUOTE] I don't know I'm sure its a crime to break some-ones door down, and rush into their home. . . Forced entry and destruction of property, and if someone goes around breaking my shit, I must assume I can be collateral damage, and thereby I have due reason to be feel threatened. Oh what the fuck I lost 250 posts.
[QUOTE=Sanius;28492668]I think a better question is why you feel entitled to kill somebody who is invading your home.[/QUOTE] The only time when deadly force is justifiable is in self defense IMO, otherwise you should just scare them away, or hey...shoot to disable not kill.
[QUOTE=Thechuz1337;28491124]Wasn't that on Lair Lair?[/QUOTE] I love the movie Lair Lair
[QUOTE=RG4;28497728]But still who doesn't lock their doors[/QUOTE] Mormons. [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] I live in Utah. No, I'm not mormon.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;28499429]You don't shoot to kill, either. You shoot to stop the threat, whether or not they die is an afterthought.[/QUOTE] Life is not a video game. You shoot to kill or don't shoot at all. [editline]8th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Tetracycline;28500374]The only time when deadly force is justifiable is in self defense IMO.[/QUOTE] You're right. A gun should never be discharged unless it is in self-defense. As Timebomb said, somebody kicking down your door is not a justifiable reason to discharge your gun.
a lot of gun owners with a wild west mentality ITT
[QUOTE=faze;28492295]Exactly what I already said. The scary thing is, nowhere says anything about the amount of time you have to give them to run away...3 seconds, 45 seconds, what? Prosecutors can and will tear that apart.[/QUOTE] Violent crime or a possibility of the intrusion escalating into violent crime. You can essentially shoot the criminal as long as he is threatening you after you have warned him or has actually attacked you. Aka if he's moving away from you in a non-threatening manner then you cannot legally kill him. In any case you can't just shoot the person without warning first. The war can consist of pointing the gun at the person, making it clear that you are willing to shoot and giving him enough time to halt the threat. The last part is pretty important. If the person continues then you can defend. If he ceases to continue then you can not shoot him. As to breaking in, hurting yourself and then suing - that's not criminal law, but civil. It's dumb but it's pretty valid. In the same way that you can't put traps that can kill or injure a human on your land without making it clear that the trap is in the place. So you then essentially have two court cases. A) The break in and tresspass. b) The civil case of negligence most likely. This case would most likely be applicable no matter who got hurt. Of course keep in mind that the criminal might still win the case as he was in the right, be the damages awarded might be absolutely laughable due to the judge not being an idiot.
I really don't think shooting first is the best thing to do unless the people in question completely bust down your door in an explosive entry situation, and if that was the case I'd feel threatened, normal thieves simply don't do that. People that do that sound more like drug dealers and low life gansters looking to cause serious trouble. Thieves on the other hand want to keep things quiet, find unlocked doors and break windows to gain entry. If someone broke into my house, they wouldn't get shot unless they made some dumb move, another step towards me after a warning is trouble. I'd try to make sure they didn't leave too, but if they really wanna go then I'm sure the police department will find them eventually. All I know is that they wouldn't be coming back. If that happens, they had their warning, they are either after me or the guns, nothing else is worth risking your life.
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