• Intruder Calls 911, Afraid Homeowner May Have Gun
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[QUOTE=Broseph_;28516043]You're just being naive if you think think after breaking a solid wood door and a deadbolt lock they aren't capable of and willing to fuck you up as well Most non-violent criminals pick windows or unlocked doors instead[/QUOTE] What the hell are you basing this on? Give me some evidence here. It seems like you are just talking out of your ass. [quote]You're just being naive if you think think after breaking a solid wood door and a deadbolt lock they aren't capable of and willing to fuck you up as well[/quote] That's what you have the fucking gun for. If he DOES try to do anything stupid, you have the means to defend yourself. You shouldnt even consider pulling that trigger unless they present a direct threat to you or someone else. Kicking your door down is not a DIRECT threat to you or someone else, its a threat to your property, as Zeke said.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;28516043]You're just being naive if you think think after breaking a solid wood door and a deadbolt lock they aren't capable of and willing to fuck you up as well Most non-violent criminals pick windows or unlocked doors instead[/QUOTE] no i'm pretty sure everyone picks unlocked doors if they can. generally that's what people go with if they have a choice [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Timebomb575;28518401] That's what you have the fucking gun for. If he DOES try to do anything stupid, you have the means to defend yourself. You shouldnt even consider pulling that trigger unless they present a direct threat to you or someone else. Kicking your door down is not a DIRECT threat to you or someone else, its a threat to your property, as Zeke said.[/QUOTE] agreedo. I'm not going to have to start making posts about ALF again, am I?
In the video he said he was kidnapped by "Mexicans".
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28518439] agreedo. I'm not going to have to start making posts about ALF again, am I?[/QUOTE] I dunno about ALF but my Office box set is worth a human life!!
Also, might I add, it's a wooden door. If they were trying to break into the house through metal door, then I would understand your will to shoot to kill. I know I would.
Sanius sure loves to rage at everyone and tell them to grow up yet he still has not said what he would do if someone kicked his door in at the middle of the night while he was sleeping. Apparently if you own a gun you are a crazed redneck hillbilly intent on shooting any living thing within four miles of your property. Apparently if you own a gun and do not wish to be a trigger happy maniac when someone breaks your door down at the middle of the night, and you shoot the intruder in the leg to stop them, you are still a crazed gunman who knows nothing about guns since apparently if you pick up a gun your intent is to kill so you should just aim for the head and empty the whole thing into that general direction. What will satisfy you? Do you want me to bend over to the intruder and take his cock up my ass while he steals all of my possessions? You don't even want me to (god forbid) aim for their leg or foot and fire a few rounds instead of aiming for their head at the slightest provocation because someone somewhere said if you pick up a gun you do it to kill and for nothing else? No, I am not trying to be some macho manly man pumped full of testosterone and neither am I going to be some coward pussy who cries and hides in the corner when someone so much as looks at me. I would only kill an intruder if I was SURE his intent was to murder me, yet nothing seems to satisfy you. We should just take every gun in the world and smelt them all down into little peace signs right? :downs:
[QUOTE=maqzek;28518557]Also, might I add, it's a wooden door. If they were trying to break into the house through metal door, then I would understand your will to shoot to kill. I know I would.[/QUOTE] no but even the GEP gun can't get through metal doors, you need to use lock picks on them
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;28518401]That's what you have the fucking gun for. If he DOES try to do anything stupid, you have the means to defend yourself. You shouldnt even consider pulling that trigger unless they present a direct threat to you or someone else. Kicking your door down is not a DIRECT threat to you or someone else, its a threat to your property, as Zeke said.[/QUOTE] What if I get a splinter in my eye from him kicking the door in? Or I'm hit by the door as I approach it when it gives way? Am I justified in shooting him to death then?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28518621]no but even the GEP gun can't get through metal doors, you need to use lock picks on them[/QUOTE] I always carry a spare multi-tool [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ridge;28518632]What if I get a splinter in my eye from him kicking the door in? Or I'm hit by the door as I approach it when it gives way? Am I justified in shooting him to death then?[/QUOTE] You are not going to be standing right next to the door when the intruder kicks it down, you will be sleeping in your bed and hear a loud boom, you will shit yourself and investigate.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;28518572]Sanius sure loves to rage at everyone and tell them to grow up yet he still has not said what he would do if someone kicked his door in at the middle of the night while he was sleeping. Apparently if you own a gun you are a crazed redneck hillbilly intent on shooting any living thing within four miles of your property. Apparently if you own a gun and do not wish to be a trigger happy maniac when someone breaks your door down at the middle of the night, and you shoot the intruder in the leg to stop them, you are still a crazed gunman who knows nothing about guns since apparently if you pick up a gun your intent is to kill so you should just aim for the head and empty an entire clip. What will satisfy you? Do you want me to bend over to the intruder and take his cock up my ass while he steals all of my possessions? You don't even want me to (god forbid) aim for their leg or foot and fire a few rounds because someone somewhere said if you pick up a gun you do it to kill and for nothing else?[/QUOTE] You seem to have reading comprehension issues. Sanius is fine with people owning a gun and with people using it in defense OF THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES. He is asserting that the notion of shooting someone on sight just because they broke into your house and tried to walk off with you DVD player is bloodthirsty and ridiculous. And he is correct. I am a gun owner, and I fully support self defense. Any competent gun owner knows that you should not even consider pulling that trigger unless the the intruder presents a DIRECT threat to your life or someone elses. Running off with your DVD playing is not presenting a threat to your life. If when you confront them they pull a knife or display a weapon, by all means, shoot to kill. But the thought of engaging an intruder on sight without identifying them as a threat is retarded.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;28518669]You are not going to be standing right next to the door when the intruder kicks it down, you will be sleeping in your bed and hear a loud boom, you will shit yourself and investigate.[/QUOTE] You don't know that! What if it takes him 2 or 3 kicks?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28497133]My argument is that firing on intruders is negligent unless they're a threat, and your attitude could very easily end up with you accidentally shooting a cop or even some drunkard that stumbled into the wrong house/apartment. Your 'shoot first ask questions later' views are retarded.[/QUOTE] Just give the fuck up, you lost.
God I hope all of you "Shoot on sight" people never, EVER get ahold of a firearm.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;28518725]You seem to have reading comprehension issues. Sanius is fine with people owning a gun and with people using it in defense OF THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES. He is asserting that the notion of shooting someone on sight just because they broke into your house and tried to walk off with you DVD player is bloodthirsty and ridiculous. And he is correct. I am a gun owner, and I fully support self defense. Any competent gun owner knows that you should not even consider pulling that trigger unless the the intruder presents a DIRECT threat to your life or someone elses. Running off with your DVD playing is not presenting a threat to your life. If when you confront them they pull a knife or display a weapon, by all means, shoot to kill. But the thought of engaging an intruder on sight without identifying them as a threat is retarded.[/QUOTE] Sanius seems fit to insult me when I state that I would rather shoot someone in the leg to stop their attack than shoot them in the head on sight so your post really said nothing.
[QUOTE=Ridge;28518728]You don't know that! What if it takes him 2 or 3 kicks?[/QUOTE] I doubt you wear a holster with a gun on your underwear and would be casually checking your front door at 3 AM when a burglar kicks down your door, hitting you. You would then casually get up and shoot the guy in the back. After you're done chewing gum that is.
[QUOTE=Ridge;28518728]You don't know that! What if it takes him 2 or 3 kicks?[/QUOTE] If he kicks down your door its not going to explode like he set a bomb next to it. And if you happen to be next to the door when the fucker breaks in, punch him in the face or tackle him. If you are right next to the door and he got to you first, and not even a gun will save you, you're just shit out of luck then. [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=maqzek;28518855]\ After you're done chewing gum that is.[/QUOTE] And polishing your balls of steel.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;28518830]Sanius seems fit to insult me when I state that I would rather shoot someone in the leg to stop their attack than shoot them in the head on sight so your post really said nothing.[/QUOTE] Anybody who seriously suggests shooting to incapacitate deserves to be insulted.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;28518830]Sanius seems fit to insult me when I state that I would rather shoot someone in the leg to stop their attack than shoot them in the head on sight so your post really said nothing.[/QUOTE] Better do a warning shoot or just aim at them. You could also act nervous so they would be scared because you could accidentally (supposedly) shoot them. Aiming at someone is already pretty intimidating, even more so if it's a magnum or something.
[QUOTE=Sanius;28515557]It's showing a threat to your door.[/QUOTE] Oh boy, the Roving Door Hater is at our street again! Everyone hide and he might skip your house! [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;28518881]Anybody who seriously suggests shooting to incapacitate deserves to be insulted.[/QUOTE] Why.
[QUOTE=Bllasae;28518738]Just give the fuck up, you lost.[/QUOTE] you don't feel like actually arguing so instead you just post "well you're wrong" and expect him to give up
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;28518830]Sanius seems fit to insult me when I state that I would rather shoot someone in the leg to stop their attack than shoot them in the head on sight so your post really said nothing.[/QUOTE] If you pull that trigger, you are shooting to positively eliminate a threat. A wounded threat is still a threat. A dead threat is no longer a threat. If you are capable of eliminating a threat merely by wounding the assailant, then the threat was not serious enough to warrant engaging said threat. This is basic stuff. You obviously do not have any sort of experience with firearms and clearly haven't ever analyzed the basic principles of self defense with a firearm.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;28518890] Why.[/QUOTE] because you can't shoot to incapacitate because even a shot to the leg could very well be lethal
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28518901]you don't have the ability to actually argue so instead you just post "well you're wrong" and expect him to give up[/QUOTE] No, there's enough evidence to prove him wrong, anyways, without me arguing.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28518915]because you can't shoot to incapacitate because even a shot to the leg could very well be lethal[/QUOTE] Sorry I hit your artery, please stop bleeding on my carpet! [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Timebomb575;28518908]If you pull that trigger, you are shooting to positively eliminate a threat. A wounded threat is still a threat. A dead threat is no longer a threat. If you are capable of eliminating a threat merely by wounding the assailant, then the threat was not serious enough to warrant engaging said threat. This is basic stuff. You obviously do not have any sort of experience with firearms and clearly haven't ever analyzed the basic principles of self defense with a firearm.[/QUOTE] Yeah once he can't walk he is going to crawl over to me and bite my ankles off!
[QUOTE=maqzek;28518885]Better do a warning shoot or just aim at them. You could also act nervous so they would be scared because you could accidentally (supposedly) shoot them. Aiming at someone is already pretty intimidating, even more so if it's a magnum or something.[/QUOTE] Warning shots are generally regarded as a no-no as well. The main idea is that you do not EVER discharge your firearm in a self defense situation without the intent to eliminate the threat as quickly as possible.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;28518830]Sanius seems fit to insult me when I state that I would rather shoot someone in the leg to stop their attack than shoot them in the head on sight so your post really said nothing.[/QUOTE] If you think shooting someone in the leg is an effective way to non-lethally incapacitate you have no idea how the human body works. If the situation escalates to require the discharge of a firearm, then the situation has escalated to the point where a killshot is necessary. No exceptions.
[QUOTE=Bllasae;28518921]No, there's enough evidence to prove him wrong, anyways, without me arguing.[/QUOTE] evidence? there isn't any evidence in this thread the debate we're having is totally conjectural and rhetorical
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28518945]evidence? there isn't any evidence in this thread the debate we're having is totally conjectural and rhetorical[/QUOTE] 2nd page.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;28518944]If you think shooting someone in the leg is an effective way to non-lethally incapacitate you have no idea how the human body works.[/QUOTE] I have a split second decision to either aim for their head, or aim for their leg and hope for the best.
[QUOTE=faze;28492066]Not all states here have that. Here in Maryland, where I live, you have to give them time to escape after announcing you're armed. (Which gives away your position, and gives them time to fire on you.) In most New England states, it's the law that if your home is broken into, you MUST flee the house. If you stay and try and defend your home, you [B]WILL[/B] be arrested.[/QUOTE] Yay, not Massachusetts, though.
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