• Intruder Calls 911, Afraid Homeowner May Have Gun
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[QUOTE=Bllasae;28518948]2nd page.[/QUOTE] whatever is on the second page can't "disprove" his claim because his claim isn't a claim of fact, it's a value claim
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;28518965]I have a split second decision to either aim for their head, or aim for their leg and hope for the best.[/QUOTE] You also have absolutely no experience with firearms.
Sanius you still have not told me what your procedure would be if a man busted your door down in the middle of the night. [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;28518979]You also have absolutely no experience with firearms.[/QUOTE] Thats not true, when I was 7 I fired my uncle's BB gun!
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;28518984]Sanius you still have not told me what your procedure would be if a man busted your door down in the middle of the night.[/QUOTE] I have not told you because it's completely irrelevant.
[QUOTE=Sanius;28518996]I have not told you because it's completely irrelevant.[/QUOTE] Cool cop out bro
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;28519002]Cool cop out bro[/QUOTE] Hypothetical situations have no place in arguments, brodude.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28518439]no i'm pretty sure everyone picks unlocked doors if they can. generally that's what people go with if they have a choice[/QUOTE] Regardless if I'm not expecting anyone in my house and they make no effort to identify their selves as being guests or surrender when I come across them, they are getting shot in the face
[QUOTE=Broseph_;28519044]Regardless if I'm not expecting anyone in my house and they make no effort to identify their selves as being guests or surrender when I come across them, they are getting shot in the face[/QUOTE] And again, you will go to prison for voluntary manslaughter or murder.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;28518922] Yeah once he can't walk he is going to crawl over to me and bite my ankles off![/QUOTE] That logic is horrid for several reasons: 1. A leg shot is significantly more difficult to land than a torso shot, especially if the target is moving 2. Unless you break a bone in their leg, they most likely are not going to go down making the area you need to hit even smaller. 3. A wounded target can still fight back (especially if they have a gun)
2nd Amendment: WORKING AS INTENDED.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;28518965]I have a split second decision to either aim for their head, or aim for their leg and hope for the best.[/QUOTE] You dont aim for the head for a kill shot, you aim for center mass. Always.
Why did a homeless person break into someone's house? Couldn't he go to a nearby homeless shelter?
[QUOTE=Sanius;28519039]Hypothetical situations have no place in arguments, brodude.[/QUOTE] Broman, its just a simple question since apparently I am a no brained hick who licks cheeto dust off of his fingers and pats him self on the back after every post.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;28519044]Regardless if I'm not expecting anyone in my house and they make no effort to identify their selves as being guests or surrender when I come across them, they are getting shot in the face[/QUOTE] Have fun with jail when you kill an unarmed burglar.
[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;28519070]2nd Amendment: WORKING AS INTENDED.[/QUOTE] Nowhere in the 2nd amendment does it state that you can murder people.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;28519062]That logic is horrid for several reasons: 1. A leg shot is significantly more difficult to land than a torso shot, especially if the target is moving 2. Unless you break a bone in their leg, they most likely are not going to go down making the area you need to hit even smaller. 3. A wounded target can still fight back (especially if they have a gun)[/QUOTE] Yeah and not to mention, unless you've been heavily trained in the use of firearms, you're going to end up going for body shots due to a mix of adrenaline and inexperience. [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;28519094]Nowhere in the 2nd amendment does it state that you can murder people.[/QUOTE] He didn't murder anyone. What the fuck?
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;28519062]That logic is horrid for several reasons: 1. A leg shot is significantly more difficult to land than a torso shot, especially if the target is moving 2. Unless you break a bone in their leg, they most likely are not going to go down making the area you need to hit even smaller. 3. A wounded target can still fight back (especially if they have a gun)[/QUOTE] If they DID have a gun (Which I was counting on them not having one, which is why I attempted to incapacitate them) then I guess I am dead because I wasn't bloodthirsty enough.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;28519044]Regardless if I'm not expecting anyone in my house and they make no effort to identify their selves as being guests or surrender when I come across them, they are getting shot in the face[/QUOTE] What if it's a mime? :v:
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;28519072]You dont aim for the head for a kill shot, you aim for center mass. Always.[/QUOTE] Whatever does the trick
[QUOTE=maqzek;28518885]Better do a warning shoot or just aim at them. You could also act nervous so they would be scared because you could accidentally (supposedly) shoot them. Aiming at someone is already pretty intimidating, even more so if it's a magnum or something.[/QUOTE] Warning shots are illegal and if you do have to shoot you are going to get raped in the mouth for manslaughter since your warning shot demonstrates there was no threat to your life in your mind The American legal system is fun bro
[QUOTE=maqzek;28519138]What if it's a mime? :v:[/QUOTE] Mimes ARE horribly unappreciated, I could imagine on breaking into a house.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;28519128]If they DID have a gun (Which I was counting on them not having one, which is why I attempted to incapacitate them) then I guess I am dead because I wasn't bloodthirsty enough.[/QUOTE] Killing someone who is trying to kill you isn't bloodthirsty, its legitimate self defense. Wounding someone who is trying to kill you isnt bloodthirsty, but its stupid. Killing someone who presents no actual threat to your life [B]IS[/B] bloodthirsty.
[QUOTE=Sanius;28519058]And again, you will go to prison for voluntary manslaughter or murder.[/QUOTE] I don't know where you live. Sure, some states state that there has to be a real danger of attack taking place or that you reasonably believe that force is the only way to prevent the commission of a felony (rape, burglary) within the structure, but usually people don't break into your house at 3am to chill and have some brewskis or redecorate poorly. And since the man would already be dead there wouldn't be anyone to say that he was just going to ask for some change.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;28519044]Regardless if I'm not expecting anyone in my house and they make no effort to identify their selves as being guests or surrender when I come across them, they are getting shot in the face[/QUOTE] so trying to leave equals getting shot (plus any cop or true gun enthusiast knows that you are supposed to shoot for the upper torso)
[QUOTE=Broseph_;28519146]Warning shots are illegal and if you do have to shoot you are going to get raped in the mouth for manslaughter since your warning shot demonstrates there was no threat to your life in your mind The American legal system is fun bro[/QUOTE] It's completely in line with human psychology. In a threatening situation, you aren't going to have time or mind to fire warning shots or aim for their big toe.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;28519160]Killing someone who is trying to kill you isn't bloodthirsty, its legitimate self defense. Wounding someone who is trying to kill you isnt bloodthirsty, but its stupid. Killing someone who presents no actual threat to your life [B]IS[/B] bloodthirsty.[/QUOTE] what it is is murder
[QUOTE=Broseph_;28519146]Warning shots are illegal and if you do have to shoot you are going to get raped in the mouth for manslaughter since your warning shot demonstrates there was no threat to your life in your mind The American legal system is fun bro[/QUOTE] Not if you say you're a bad shot and missed, and the burglar ran away so you couldn't shoot him again. (Not that it was illegal anyway)
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;28519160]Killing someone who is trying to kill you isn't bloodthirsty, its legitimate self defense. Wounding someone who is trying to kill you isnt bloodthirsty, but its stupid. Killing someone who presents no actual threat to your life [B]IS[/B] bloodthirsty.[/QUOTE] If I saw he had a gun, I would kill him. If I do not know what he is carrying, I will attempt to incapacitate him. If he is obviously unarmed I will intimidate him and tell him to get the fuck out.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28519191]what it is is murder[/QUOTE] Self-defense and homicide are quite different.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;28519165]I don't know where you live. Sure, some states state that there has to be a real danger of attack taking place or that you reasonably believe that force is the only way to prevent the commission of a felony (rape, burglary) within the structure, but usually people don't break into your house at 3am to chill and have some brewskis or redecorate poorly. And since the man would already be dead there wouldn't be anyone to say that he was just going to ask for some change.[/QUOTE] The persons intent doesn't matter, its whether or not they presented a threat to your life. If they kick down your door and then run off when you confront them, then they present no threat to your life, and you cannot shoot them. On the other hand, if they pull a gun or a knife when you confront them, then they do present a threat to your life, and shooting them is totally justified.
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