If I am not mistaken, isn't this the guy who said America would become"a secular atheist country potentially one dominated by radical Islamists"?
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;33376382]If I am not mistaken, isn't this the guy who said America would become"a secular atheist country potentially one dominated by radical Islamists"?[/QUOTE]
jesus christ the contradiction is making my head spin
Children?
Oh, you mean tiny workers.
So 100 years of scientists, sociologists, child psychologists, lawmakers and campaigners ensuring the death of child labor - man, don't know what they were smoking, eh?
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33375503]Oh my god, the guy's a fucking lunatic![/QUOTE]
Wow, I had to look that one up for myself. Which reminds me, I just figured out who it was I kept mixing up Newt Gingrich with. It's Larry Craig.
I get what he's trying to get across, that students should be given work where they could see the fruits of their labor (clean schools and a work ethic), but the way he wants to go about that just seems insane.
Did anyone even read the article?
[editline]21st November 2011[/editline]
What he is saying is far from supporting child sweatshops. He is just saying that poor children should be able to work for their families and build a work ethic at a young age.
I kinda feel like if students were allowed janitorial positions property damage around the school could go down, because students are the ones taking care of it.
At a privately paid school I went to, students were allowed to work there to cut down on the fee.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33377636]Did anyone even read the article?
[editline]21st November 2011[/editline]
What he is saying is far from supporting child sweatshops. He is just saying that poor children should be able to work for their families and build a work ethic at a young age.[/QUOTE]
This.
You guys are sort of taking this in the way wrong way.
[QUOTE=N-12_Aden;33375299]Well, apparently we are going back to Nineteen-fucking-eleven. You are literally a sick individual if you believe child labor is ok.[/QUOTE]
I was quite pissed off when I was told I could not work to make money during my early teen years. I said fuck these stupid ass laws and got jobs under the table. Good paying construction jobs too. As said in a few posts above mine, he's saying that kids that want jobs should be able to get them if they want them. Not advocating sweatshops.
But the current rules are here to prevent the effects of the 60's and 70's, where older children got a job at 15 to support the family, left without any qualifications and then carried on working in menial labor into their 50's. It sucks, but in austere times it's very tempting to say 'Well I wish I could work, too', but the fact is that kids should spend their youth getting an education and work experience, not looking for paid employment unless it's for a degree of financial independence.
What he's advocating is replacing janitors for school kids - I don't know about you, but how many kids are going to be employed as janitors when they can already work delivering papers, working in small-time retail, or being employed by parents, etc? You're doing nothing except getting a tiny group of underpaid students to clean and saving money on a full-time cleaner, putting poorly educated adults out of a steady industry that's already very competitive. It's unrealistic to promise work for children unless you want to relax employment laws into other industries - and what with the influx of cheap foreign labor - who's going to want the extra expense of looking after a child sweeper?
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33377636]Did anyone even read the article?
[editline]21st November 2011[/editline]
What he is saying is far from supporting child sweatshops. He is just saying that poor children should be able to work for their families and build a work ethic at a young age.[/QUOTE]
Or your education could not plain suck ass. As well as getting rid of your countries "We piss on poor people" stance.
Instead of legalizing child labor.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;33377961]This.
You guys are sort of taking this in the way wrong way.[/QUOTE]
His school example, while perfectly fine is NOT why people are criticizing him.
He LITERALLY said "Child labor laws are stupid". THAT IS A BIG ISSUE. For fucks sakes.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33377636]Did anyone even read the article?
[editline]21st November 2011[/editline]
What he is saying is far from supporting child sweatshops. He is just saying that poor children should be able to work for their families and build a work ethic at a young age.[/QUOTE]
This, he's not saying that kids should be allowed to work 40~ hour weeks, he's saying that poor children should be allowed to work so that they can get into good work habits and to support their family, could help them to become better.
[editline]21st November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Miskav;33378902]Or your education could not plain suck ass. As well as getting rid of your countries "We piss on poor people" stance.
Instead of legalizing child labor.[/QUOTE]
Repubs don't think that problems can be fixed, only band aided
Well I know who Pepin's voting for.
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;33376225]You know, he's right! Why don't we liberate them from these laws and set up factories right [i]in[/i] those neighborhoods!
[img]http://www.makingthemodernworld.org.uk/stories/the_industrial_town/06.ST.02/img/IM.1064_zp.jpg[/img]
Look how liberated and free everyone is![/QUOTE]
Look at all the happy children, too.
[img]http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/child-labor2.jpg[/img]
Happy.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;33379249]Look at all the happy children, too.
[img]http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/child-labor2.jpg[/img]
Happy.[/QUOTE]
Yeah look at the one on the far left. He's having a ball
Sometimes I wonder if there is a forum that is, ideologically, the exact opposite of Facepunch. Just stating as a fact, most people on this forum tend to be between the center and far left. I wonder if there is a forum, instead of just comments on a Fox news article, where conservatives and Republicans (there is a difference) talk about politics between each other like we do.
If a child needs to work to survive, there shouldn't be a law prohibiting it. Someone can claim that that reality should never happen. but passing a law prohibiting can only make the situation worse.
The party that criticizes the other for job killing now wants to literally fire everyone involved in one?
I'm honestly at a loss of words on this one
Fuck
i don't see how this makes sense from a jobs-making ideological model. he hasn't fixed anything, you simply have a different group employed and a different group unemployed. the concept of students cleaning a school isn't outlandish (see: japan), but this doesn't change anything at all.
[QUOTE=Pepin;33379510]If a child needs to work to survive, there shouldn't be a law prohibiting it. Someone can claim that that reality should never happen. but passing a law prohibiting can only make the situation worse.[/QUOTE]
"We should allow child labor overseas ...the sweatshop is what is saving the 9 year old worker"
[editline]22nd November 2011[/editline]
A child who needs to work to survive is a child who needs to be cared for until they reach an age they are able to be self sufficient, i.e: after appropriate schooling
I'd actually agree with this if it weren't forced and was used as a way to make people more autonomous and less of lazy bastards later in life, but this is just stupid when they try to make kids smaller then brooms clean their own mess and everyone else's mess, at the same place they "work".
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;33379249]Look at all the happy children, too.
[img]http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/child-labor2.jpg[/img]
Happy.[/QUOTE]
The kid to the right (from our view) has a chain. Obviously he was making bank. No reason to complain. Right?
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;33380149]The party that criticizes the other for job killing now wants to literally fire everyone involved in one?[/QUOTE]Hypocrisy? Coming from republicans? What the hell is going on?
[QUOTE=mankind_me;33375534]Ok he has no chance ever at being a president[/QUOTE]
You do realize that you're talking about America right?
[quote]former speaker of the House[/quote]
I wonder why
Newt Gingrich, sit down man
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33375850]Newts are hardly fit to be politicians, I don't see why anyone is listening to him.[/QUOTE]
N. Gingrich: "I'll get bettah!"
[editline]22nd November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pepin;33379510]If a child needs to work to survive, there shouldn't be a law prohibiting it. Someone can claim that that reality should never happen. but passing a law prohibiting can only make the situation worse.[/QUOTE]
I am so forever glad i bought you this title signifying your first major thread.
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