[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;50947452]Anyways, later in June, Gobeille made a public statement regarding the whole licensing deal. It turns out that it was, in fact, invalid after all, and that Gearbox had been in the right with their claim:
[QUOTE]OK, here's the deal. Our license to Duke Nukem 3D is invalid. It's not the fault of the current owners of 3D Realms, and, as it turns out, certainly not the fault of Gearbox. This leaves me completely up shit creek. BUT, even after the public feuding, Gearbox has found something for me to do and they are going to be helping me out, as is 3DR.
As far as Hail to the King Collection goes, there's not much more I can say other than that it's on hold at 90-something% completion. Gearbox isn't currently interested in the product and they aren't obligated to be. At this point, I'm just glad they're willing to work with me again. I'm going to do my best to change their minds on it as I believe the market for such a product is much larger than they think it is, but for now it is what it is. I may just do a "soft" launch of the base port itself for a $1.99 price tag where you provide your own GRP.
So, to summarize:
Gearbox isn't evil and Randy isn't a huge asshole.
The current owner of 3DR is a great guy.
I got completely shanghaied, but things will be alright.[/QUOTE]
The party responsible for the shoddy licensing deal is very likely to be the founder of Apogee Software, Scott Miller.
And at this point, it is currently unknown if TerminX will take any further legal step against those responsible.
Link to the thread where I'm getting this info from, for those interested:
[url]https://forums.duke4.net/topic/8697-what-happened-to-the-gearbox-vs-tx-thread/[/url][/QUOTE]
Sadly this won't stop the Gearbox hate train because of the dumb "muh alienz gaem" meme.
[QUOTE=poopman234;50947511][url]https://twitter.com/dukenukemgame[/url] randy's arguing with himself on twitter with a duke account lol[/QUOTE]
Randy is such a fucking baby holy shit.
[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;50219701]I hope Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project gets put back on steam. I was waiting to buy it, but it was taken down before I could.[/QUOTE]
The Classic Dos Duke games are gone too!
I'm trying to imagine what a modern "Politically correct" Duke Nukem would be like...
[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;50948560]I'm trying to imagine what a modern "Politically correct" Duke Nukem would be like...[/QUOTE]
"Shove it up your social networking feed."
"If it was alright with you i'd like for you to dance, but if not thats totally fine and i respect you, lady."
"I've got balls of steel but that doesnt make me better than you."
[QUOTE=Hammer7;50947643]Sadly this won't stop the Gearbox hate train because of the dumb "muh alienz gaem" meme.[/QUOTE]
How the hell is that a meme??
[QUOTE=Hammer7;50947643]Sadly this won't stop the Gearbox hate train because of the dumb "muh alienz gaem" meme.[/QUOTE]
personally I don't hate GB because of aliens
I hate GB because Randy Pitchford is a slimy cunt and because I think GB is a genuinely terrible company that deserves to go bankrupt and have its assets resold to people who are at least slightly competent.
[editline]25th August 2016[/editline]
though I do love Borderlands so it'd be a shame to lose that
[QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;50948624]How the hell is that a meme??[/QUOTE]
Misuse of the term "meme" in the place of "common stigma" as usual.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50949357]personally I don't hate GB because of aliens
I hate GB because Randy Pitchford is a slimy cunt and because I think GB is a genuinely terrible company that deserves to go bankrupt and have its assets resold to people who are at least slightly competent.
[editline]25th August 2016[/editline]
though I do love Borderlands so it'd be a shame to lose that[/QUOTE]
If GB goes bankrupt fucking Bethesda might get it's hands on their assets and we all know how they ruin every game so FUCK THAT
[QUOTE=maniacykt;50949562]If GB goes bankrupt fucking Bethesda might get it's hands on their assets and we all know how they ruin every game so FUCK THAT[/QUOTE]
But...
They dont?
[editline]26th August 2016[/editline]
I dont see your logic at all, Bethesda puts out good stuff.
[QUOTE=maniacykt;50949562]If GB goes bankrupt fucking Bethesda might get it's hands on their assets and we all know how they ruin every game so FUCK THAT[/QUOTE]
new Doom is actually pretty fuckin' great though, I'd love a new Duke Nukem of similar quality.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50949660]But...
They dont?
[editline]26th August 2016[/editline]
I dont see your logic at all, Bethesda puts out good stuff.[/QUOTE]
I bet he's still pissy about Prey.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;50949759]I bet he's still pissy about Prey.[/QUOTE]
Even then, the games not out yet, might be good.
I mean its kind of a shitty thing to do, but the games Beth puts out are usually good. I cant name one from recent memory that was bad, in any event.
[QUOTE=maniacykt;50949562]If GB goes bankrupt fucking Bethesda might get it's hands on their assets and we all know how they ruin every game so FUCK THAT[/QUOTE]Imagine if Borderlands needed you to open the console to unfuck half the shit the developers would have noticed if they tested the game for five minutes but didn't because they didn't.
I mean I think Borderlands is a dumb franchise but it's a hell of a lot more put together than the shit Bethesda shovels.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50950174]Imagine if Borderlands needed you to open the console to unfuck half the shit the developers would have noticed if they tested the game for five minutes but didn't because they didn't.
I mean I think Borderlands is a dumb franchise but it's a hell of a lot more put together than the shit Bethesda shovels.[/QUOTE]
I think you're confusing Bethesda Softworks (The publisher) with Bethesda Game Studios (The Dev)
[QUOTE=The Terminator;50950260]I think you're confusing Bethesda Softworks (The publisher) with Bethesda Game Studios (The Dev)[/QUOTE]
Also Zenimax, who run the corporate decisions further above and tend to dip their fingers into things (and made Elder Scrolls Online themselves).
Blaming Bethesda directly for things is retarded because most people seem to forget to differentiate them from the publisher side of matters. Zenimax/Softworks could ruin new IPs, but as Doom has shown at least, they don't usually go out of their way to fuck their games up intentionally (aside from intentionally fucking over Prey 2's devs) and they can publish good games.
[QUOTE=maniacykt;50949562]If GB goes bankrupt fucking Bethesda might get it's hands on their assets and we all know how they ruin every game so FUCK THAT[/QUOTE]
even fucking Ubisoft would handle GB's ip's better than they do, and Ubisoft can't even handle their own
[editline]26th August 2016[/editline]
but hey, at least they don't lie so hard that they sink into the floor and can make a game
Betesda the publisher is pretty great. Games such as Doom 2016, Wolfenstein: the New Order and Fallout: New Vegas prove this, and while I understand the new Prey game is disappointing for fans of the originals, it's possible it will turn out to be good.
Betesda the games developer is... hit and miss, in my opinion. I really enjoy Skyrim but I really did not enjoy Fallout 4 and am afraid for what direction their games are heading in, and would love to see another dev take a shot at the Elder Scrolls and for Obsidian to make another Fallout.
I'd have no fears of Betesda taking up Borderlands or Duke Nukem. In-fact I'd argue at this point Betesda could do a much better job with Borderlands since Gearbox seems to be openly shitting the bed.
[QUOTE=Hammer7;50947643]Sadly this won't stop the Gearbox hate train because of the dumb "muh alienz gaem" meme.[/QUOTE]
siphoning funds, fucking over employees and consumers, knowingly selling an unfinished, broken product is a meme i guess
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;50951600]Betesda the publisher is pretty great. Games such as Doom 2016, Wolfenstein: the New Order and Fallout: New Vegas prove this, and while I understand the new Prey game is disappointing for fans of the originals, it's possible it will turn out to be good.
Betesda the games developer is... hit and miss, in my opinion. I really enjoy Skyrim but I really did not enjoy Fallout 4 and am afraid for what direction their games are heading in, and would love to see another dev take a shot at the Elder Scrolls and for Obsidian to make another Fallout.
I'd have no fears of Betesda taking up Borderlands or Duke Nukem. In-fact I'd argue at this point Betesda could do a much better job with Borderlands since Gearbox seems to be openly shitting the bed.[/QUOTE]
Bethesda, the publisher, honestly used to be really shit. I'm sure nobody wants to remember WET, BRINK, or Rogue Warrior. They've gotten better, but at the same time, basically seem to be taking a less malicious version of the EA approach to publishing. That being buying developers and their IPs up. Hence why they own Arkane, Tango Gameworks, Machine Games, etc.
Agreed that Bethesda, the gamedev, has been very hit and miss. They do well with TES for the most part, but I really don't want them touching Fallout again. I'm happy they saved the IP, but I could never get on with Fallout 4, and Fallout 3 just gets worse and worse for me every time I decided to try to replay it.
Funnily enough, Gearbox themselves were actually founded by former devs of both 3DRealms and Bethesda.
But that's not really the point of this thread. Randy Pitchford really is just scum. I mean, if you think Peter Molyneaux (or Sean Murray for a more modern example) is bad, they really have nothing on Randy. At least the former seem to actually have some passion for their games, instead of claiming to have passion, outsourcing their passion project, and then proceeding to use the money from their passion project to make another IP.
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;50951757]siphoning funds, fucking over employees and consumers, knowingly selling an unfinished, broken product is a meme i guess[/QUOTE]
Because no other studios did a single bad thing in their entire career. Guess EA with BF4 wasn't a thing, nor was Ubisoft with Watch Dogs or Bethesda and their Fallout games.
By your words even Hello Games with NMS was totally fine.
But Gearbox? Literally a Nazi Germany.
Man, I used to be a huge gbx fan.
Look what these ridiculous idiots have become.
Laughable.
[QUOTE=Hammer7;50952885]Because no other studios did a single bad thing in their entire career. Guess EA with BF4 wasn't a thing, nor was Ubisoft with Watch Dogs or Bethesda and their Fallout games.
By your words even Hello Games with NMS was totally fine.
But Gearbox? Literally a Nazi Germany.[/QUOTE]
Just because other publishers and devs are equally shit doesn't make Gearbox not shit.
I don't personally give a shit about all the controversy involving the license, I just want another Duke game or more DNF DLC, because my god, The Doctor Who Cloned me was hilarious and I'd love more content like that.
Shame it seems Duke is all tied up legally for now. [img]https://forums.duke4.net/public/style_emoticons/default/dukenegative.gif[/img]
Borderlands is one of my favourite series, but damn it seems like gearbox is making an awful lot of dick moves over the last few years.
[QUOTE=Destroyox;50953153]Just because other publishers and devs are equally shit doesn't make Gearbox not shit.[/QUOTE]
Agree but at the same time it doesn't make GBX the biggest evil from that bunch.
SEGA money part is dirty for sure but outsourcing the game to other studios is a common thing in game industry.
A:CM flop just gave to people a perfect victim to blame. Yet they fixed the game a few months later. The writing is still shit but it's playable and the graphics are good.
While I'm not a hardcore GBX fan, I can't understand the crowd keeping such a gigantic hatred for more than 3 years already.
[QUOTE=Hammer7;50956646]Agree but at the same time it doesn't make GBX the biggest evil from that bunch.
SEGA money part is dirty for sure but outsourcing the game to other studios is a common thing in game industry.
A:CM flop just gave to people a perfect victim to blame. Yet they fixed the game a few months later. The writing is still shit but it's playable and the graphics are good.
While I'm not a hardcore GBX fan, I can't understand the crowd keeping such a gigantic hatred for more than 3 years already.[/QUOTE]
victim to blame? so gearbox is the victim in scamming sega and making a dishonestly marketed pile of shit?
[QUOTE=The Terminator;50950260]I think you're confusing Bethesda Softworks (The publisher) with Bethesda Game Studios (The Dev)[/QUOTE]I'm not. I was specifically talking about their flagship franchise and their handling of the Fallout IP that they purchased. Bethesda sucks at making games, when they can't even manage simple quality control over basic quest flags [I]so much so that the main quest can be broken[/I] then there's a problem with the studio. Try to blame the publisher all you want, but the people who actually put the stuff together are responsible for a polished product and for the past decade they've been relying on people like me to fix their mistakes. I've never been paid for this, but I do seem to get an extraordinary amount of criticism for pointing out that I shouldn't be relied on to fix [I]their[/I] problems.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;50950291]Also Zenimax, who run the corporate decisions further above and tend to dip their fingers into things (and made Elder Scrolls Online themselves).
Blaming Bethesda directly for things is retarded because most people seem to forget to differentiate them from the publisher side of matters. Zenimax/Softworks could ruin new IPs, but as Doom has shown at least, they don't usually go out of their way to fuck their games up intentionally (aside from intentionally fucking over Prey 2's devs) and they can publish good games.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah I'm sure Zenimax is to blame for all those fucking bugs fixed in Oblivion (and others!) because the studio itself didn't playtest the quests. Give me a fucking break. Same thing with Fallout 3 which is sharply contrasted with Obsidian's Fallout: New Vegas which was [I]much[/I] more put together, meanwhile Skyrim and Fallout 4 are buggy and filled with half-thought concepts which is entirely the fault of the [I]game studio[/I] and not Zenimax or whoever the hell else.
I'd like to go into greater detail but every time I do that people scream bloody murder when I pick on their sacred cow. Happens every time, I type up a [I]long[/I] list of criticisms and issues I have and because of the volume and length people assume I'm red in the face with unbridled rage. I question how people so sensitive are able to function but truthfully if anyone goes beyond a simple throwaway comment it makes people cry, but the alternative leaves us here and leaves me explaining all of this. If you want to know more PM me, because it really is off-topic.
Make no mistake, just because Gearbox managed to playtest Borderlands it doesn't mean the company isn't scum. I'm not giving Gearbox a free pass because Bethesda is bad too, I think both companies are scummy in their own way and the people who lead them, specifically Randy Pitchford and Todd Howard, are both assholes. I can be equally critical of both for different reasons and I am, but ultimately I blame the people who buy these games because it enables this bad behavior. I didn't buy Borderlands 2 partially because Randy is a son of a bitch, I don't plan on buying any Gearbox games either because I think it's a bad company that's a bad influence. Yeah some people might have overreacted over the story but it says a lot about a company when everyone automatically believes they're the bad guy.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50959057]-large rant[/QUOTE]
I'm not even remotely talking about Bethesda's game development, cool yourself down. Zenimax / Softworks are the ones that acquire new developers, licenses and other shit, given that they published the new Wolfenstein and Doom games and all since they have Machinehead Games and Id under their belt. [i]That[/i] is what i'm talking about, if Duke Nukem was acquired by Zenimax. No one was legitimately saying Bethesda the game developer should acquire Duke Nukem, and they aren't really related to what I was talking about.
And no one's going to claim that Gearbox isn't full of scummy activity themselves given what's happened with some of their big games in recent years.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;50959067]I'm not even remotely talking about Bethesda's game development, cool yourself down.[/QUOTE]See, there you go. You see some of us, those rare few who are apparently ubermenschen imbued with incredible attention span of several seconds, can actually string together a few simple paragraphs without the slightest of effort and also read them too! Amazing, I know.
[QUOTE]Zenimax / Softworks are the ones that acquire new developers, licenses and other shit, given that they published the new Wolfenstein and Doom games and all since they have Machinehead Games and Id under their belt. [i]That[/i] is what i'm talking about, if Duke Nukem was acquired by Zenimax.[/QUOTE]Except that's not what I nor maniacykt were talking about, if the IP was acquired by ZMM then it's logical to assume it would follow the same path Fallout did. Really there is no reason why the developers would be retained because Duke Nukem isn't even originally a Gearbox title and would just get passed on to be crammed into the Gamebryo engine like everything else Bethesda makes. (well, their own snowflake version) Gearbox going suddenly bankrupt is a hard sell anyway, but who knows, they might throw the Duke Nukem IP out the window because the basic premise is becoming increasingly unlikable as time goes on. Turns out nobody really wants to play a game starring a misogynistic white tough guy caricature of every 80's action flick ever because there's a new crop of gamers who [I]don't remember the 80's at all.[/I] Especially if the game itself is dated and rather boring, DNF wasn't exactly a terrible game but it wasn't fun either.
I hope that isn't too long for you to read.
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