[QUOTE=Chilean;30793757]no you didnt.[/QUOTE]
He was obviously sarcastic.
I'm hearing something.
Something i've never heard before. Kind of... sounds like... Britain taking a step in the right direction...?
[QUOTE=DesumThePanda;30793603]What about shooting[/QUOTE]
This is in Britain, they aren't allowed to have guns.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;30793822]I'm hearing something.
Something i've never heard before. Kind of... sounds like... Britain taking a step in the right direction...?[/QUOTE]
says the american
[editline]30th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ardosos;30793906]This is in Britain, they aren't allowed to have guns.[/QUOTE]
wrong
In my opinion most self-defense laws are way too strict.
In Canadian law it states that "Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself."
tl;dr is basically, if the victim is being attacked by someone using their hands, he can't use a gun or anything to defend himself. In my opinion that is bullshit because a victim should be able to use whatever they have at their disposal to fend for themselves.
Stabbing? Shit, how about [i]shooting[/i]?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30781689]Nobody is reading this
You still need to be in danger, you can't chase someone down who broke into your home and stab them for example
If the person is in your home you're in danger, if they're running you aren't, really important distinction that people seem to forget and it could land you in jail if you're not careful[/QUOTE]
I seem to recall someone in the other thread saying that the burglar needs to be an "immediate threat"
he later specified "they can't be an immediate threat whilst farther than arms length"
what a hippie
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30781689]Nobody is reading this
You still need to be in danger, you can't chase someone down who broke into your home and stab them for example
If the person is in your home you're in danger, if they're running you aren't, really important distinction that people seem to forget and it could land you in jail if you're not careful[/QUOTE]
Can I stab them while they run off with my stuff?
[QUOTE=CaLeB-;30795086]Stabbing? Shit, how about [i]shooting[/i]?[/QUOTE]
You can shoot-stab them... Just gotta make some form of crazy ass crossbow sentrygun which shoots knives.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30793960]says the american[/QUOTE]
Says the... also American?
[QUOTE=JDK721;30793960]says the american
[editline]30th June 2011[/editline]
wrong[/QUOTE]
He's not wrong, most British people aren't allowed guns, the only people allowed guns are people who either own a piece of land or are protecting a piece of land for someone else.
Unless you count the people who store their guns in gun clubs, but hardly anyone does that these days.
BRB, leaving doors unlocked and waiting on the stairs.
In all seriousness though. The moment a burglar enters your house they've given up their human rights and are a criminal, why should the law be on their side? I don't think much will change in terms of the number of burglars being stabbed because I can bet that if you walk downstairs to see someone in the kitchen the last thing on your mind will be whether or not you're about to commit a crime yourself by injuring them, the number one thought process will be to get him the fuck out of your house however you can so you wouldn't have time to consider stabbing them or not, in most cases the burglar will have ran off when they hear you coming down the stairs, on the rare occasion where a fight does occur, as far as the home owner is concerned they are fighting for their lives because they don't know what lengths the burglar is willing to go to and for that reason alone I think it's pretty fair to floor them first, ask questions later... If flooring them involves a knife in the gut then so be it, I'd make the cunt clean up the mess he's made whilst waiting for the police too.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;30797932]He's not wrong, most British people aren't allowed guns, the only people allowed guns are people who either own a piece of land or are protecting a piece of land for someone else.
Unless you count the people who store their guns in gun clubs, but hardly anyone does that these days.[/QUOTE]
Legally speaking, pratically anyone can get a shotgun license - but you can't apply for a license with the sole remit of self-defense. The laws regarding their storage make them somewhat ineffective anyway, as you have to store firearms and ammunition in a secure, locked box or cabinet that is secured to the floor and a wall, and I believe you can't store it ready loaded either.
I'm not really sure why this change of law is being brought in, or if it's even a change. The few notable cases of people being convicted of assualt in a self-defense case all involved people attacking the intruder as they were fleeing. For instance, the people who dragged a guy fleeing to ground and stomped and kicked his head repeatably. They'd attacked him in the house already, and that was legal, but beating a fleeing burglar to death has nothing to do with self-defence - it's vigilantism.
oh my god we can't let this happen it's a slippery slope next thing you know they'll make it legal to stab your own family members
[editline]30th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Camundongo;30798544]beating a fleeing burglar to death has nothing to do with self-defence[/QUOTE]
it is self defence, it defends you from him running to the police and saying you tried to kill him
[QUOTE=sam.clarke;30798407]BRB, leaving doors unlocked and waiting on the stairs.
In all seriousness though. The moment a burglar enters your house they've given up their human rights and are a criminal, why should the law be on their side? I don't think much will change in terms of the number of burglars being stabbed because I can bet that if you walk downstairs to see someone in the kitchen the last thing on your mind will be whether or not you're about to commit a crime yourself by injuring them, the number one thought process will be to get him the fuck out of your house however you can so you wouldn't have time to consider stabbing them or not, in most cases the burglar will have ran off when they hear you coming down the stairs, on the rare occasion where a fight does occur, as far as the home owner is concerned they are fighting for their lives because they don't know what lengths the burglar is willing to go to and for that reason alone I think it's pretty fair to floor them first, ask questions later... If flooring them involves a knife in the gut then so be it, I'd make the cunt clean up the mess he's made whilst waiting for the police too.[/QUOTE]
This law isn't going to let you live out your psychotic fantasies, it's still under stand 'reasonable force' clause
I think everyone is still unnecessarily butthurt about that case where the man shot a kid with a shotgun.
Big argument on FP about that, even though he shot a teenager who was trying to run, in the back, with a fucking shotgun.
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That smug faggot is gonna meet his maker!
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;30799251]I think everyone is still unnecessarily butthurt about that case where the man shot a kid with a shotgun.
Big argument on FP about that, even though he shot a teenager who was trying to run, in the back, with a fucking shotgun.[/QUOTE]
Basically, this. They complained that he got convicted for murder and not manslaughter which is odd because generally, shooting at someone implies you want to kill them.
This reminds me of when I was 7 someone broke into our apartment at midnight and tried to steal my little sleigh (it was Winter :v:) and my dad heard the burglar. He tried to get him but the burglar tried to run away so my dad chased him. I looked out the window and I saw a man dressed in all black being chased by a man in his early 40s in pajamas in cold snow. Barefoot. About 15 seconds later my dad pretty much jumped on the burglar, catching him. Then the police arrived and told my dad he did a good job! :keke:
If your dog attacks the burglar, it's a 500 dkk ( 100 usd ) fine.
This is even abused, by "homerobbers" ( hjemmerøvere in danish. ), they go in while you're in the house, and if you do something to them, it's you who are wrong, not them.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;30785084]The problem with "reasonable force" is that it is a horribly vague term and can be twisted to mean whatever the prosecution wants, should the burglar decide to press charges.
Besides in the heat of the moment you aren't going to be thinking "Now, what is the most proportionate and reasoned form of defence against this vagrant", you're going to be thinking "oh fuck there's someone in my house I can barely see what if he has a gun oh fuck oh fuck"[/QUOTE]
It can't be twisted to mean whatever. If the victim was under threat of death by weapon they'd be allowed to use whatever necessary to remove the threat, also accounted for is the fact that the panicked mind can be unclear when judging actual danger. This new law is unecessary and pretty much promotes vigilante justice.
the problem with this law is that it's going to be abused as FUCK.
death rates are going to shoot up in the next five years.
[QUOTE=GrabbinPills;30806836]the problem with this law is that it's going to be abused as FUCK.
death rates are going to shoot up in the next five years.[/QUOTE]
It's not going to be abused at all, this is just an extension of current self defence laws, which are fairly strict.
[QUOTE=Metanar;30781155]Too bad they'd overpower me and stab me with my knife in a few seconds. I think I'll stick to hiding somewhere.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, this. I think I'd rather have a skull gun implanted into my head.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;30795359]Says the... also American?[/QUOTE]
I'm not the conservative making asinine claims about another country
point I'm making is that america is far worse than britain and has been going down the shitter for a while and you act like this is one of the only good things britain has done
[QUOTE=JDK721;30807339]I'm not the conservative making asinine claims about another country
point I'm making is that america is far worse than britain and has been going down the shitter for a while and you act like this is one of the only good things britain has done[/QUOTE]
Ever since our conservative government came into power the country has gotten worse and worse, this is probably the only good law they've proposed.
[QUOTE=ItWasNiceToKnow;30799572]
This is even abused, by "homerobbers" ( hjemmerøvere in danish. ), they go in while you're in the house, and if you do something to them, it's you who are wrong, not them.[/QUOTE]
I'm not in the wrong if the body is never found
*shifty eyes*
OK, so, can I now hire a Gurkha to hide in my safe?
[QUOTE=JeffAndersen;30781153]This is probably going to stir a lot of trouble but sadly I'll turn a blind eye to anyone who thinks they're a victim while doing something illegal like stealing. (But it still situational.. don't stab a 11 year old stealing candy or some shit.)[/QUOTE]
i kinda laughed.
i imagined that a cute 11 year old steals some candy but out of nowhere a man runs up to him and stab him.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;30781900]Uh, risking my life to stab a burglar, as opposed to letting him walk away with your TV and then calling the police?
Sure, you might be legally allowed to stab your intruder, but you're still reckless and dumb, if you do it for other purposes than self-defense.[/QUOTE]
Pizza gets to your house faster than police. By the time the police show up your shit is long gone.
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