Far-right UKIP overtake labour because of 'protest votes' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Robbobin;15454192]I will NEVER understand the views of some people. Why the fuck would an employer choose you; pay you twice as much, when he can pay a foreign person to do exactly the same job for half? Kudos to the fucking immigrants if they're willing to work so hard for so little![/QUOTE] Just like to go back to this. You know why citizens require more money? Because they're generally more well off in housing and therefore bills cost more, they also normally tend to have mouths to feed and so therefore they cannot work for half the pay, this is because immigrants can come by themselves, get a cheap flat and pay cheap rent and live in bare minimum conditions (because our minimum conditions are certainly something to normal standard in their own country). They work for half the money because to them, its still even more money they'd be earning at home. Our currency is great comparing to anyone else's. Its a pretty shitty life for immigrants, they live in crappy conditions but they do it because the British sterling pound is about twice, triple and even more in worth to their currency. Maybe a lot of immigrants have plans, to maybe go back home after they earn a ton of money (which will be worth a lot more back home). The British people demand more money because we live here, and we're used to better conditions and treatment while they may not (depending what country they come from).

[QUOTE=Vasili;15467603]Just like to go back to this. You know why citizens require more money? Because they're generally more well off in housing and therefore bills cost more, they also normally tend to have mouths to feed and so therefore they cannot work for half the pay, this is because immigrants can come by themselves, get a cheap flat and pay cheap rent and live in bare minimum conditions (because our minimum conditions are certainly something to normal standard in their own country). They work for half the money because to them, its still even more money they'd be earning at home. Our currency is great comparing to anyone else's. Its a pretty shitty life for immigrants, they live in crappy conditions but they do it because the British sterling pound is about twice, triple and even more in worth to their currency. Maybe a lot of immigrants have plans, to maybe go back home after they earn a ton of money (which will be worth a lot more back home). The British people demand more money because we live here, and we're used to better conditions and treatment while they may not (depending what country they come from).[/QUOTE] My mum works for the council, her job is to check on people in council houses, and she says in the worst parts of the city I live in, you can get a council house for as little as £5 a week. If someone who has been brought up in this country can help it, they'd do anything not to live in that area, and so demand higher wages so they can take out a mortgage, buy a house, and afford to live in that house. Whereas someone who has been brought up in a really poor country, some of the roughest areas in Britain won't seem so bad to them, and will gladly live there, so at minimum wage, they're quite well off. So basically, yes I agree with what you're saying.

[QUOTE=matt.ant;15467395]Nick Griffin got pelted with eggs, click here to see: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8091605.stm[/url] [img]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45893000/jpg/_45893690_grifegg_226.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I hate the BNP more than most but combating fascism by censoring free speech doesn't really work.

[QUOTE=James*;15467778]I hate the BNP more than most but combating fascism by censoring free speech doesn't really work.[/QUOTE] free speech [img]http://www.counter-ads.net/graphic_elements/hitler_speech.jpg[/img]

For any canadians who don't know what's going on. The conservatives (tories) are like the PC's here, except more left. Labour is like the liberals here. These are basically the two parties. They're both in favour of being apart of the EU as far as I'm aware. All the guys that left the conservatives and don't like the EU made the UKIP. They're all about freedom to the people and separating from the EU. Now imagine the BNP like the party in 1984. Except 100 times more racist. The liberal democrats used to be the third biggest party in england, they're basically like the NDP. SNC is the Scottish national party, in favour of scottish Independence from the UK. Green party is self explanatory.

[QUOTE=matt.ant;15467761]My mum works for the council, her job is to check on people in council houses, and she says in the worst parts of the city I live in, you can get a council house for as little as £5 a week. If someone who has been brought up in this country can help it, they'd do anything not to live in that area, and so demand higher wages so they can take out a mortgage, buy a house, and afford to live in that house. Whereas someone who has been brought up in a really poor country, some of the roughest areas in Britain won't seem so bad to them, and will gladly live there, so at minimum wage, they're quite well off. So basically, yes I agree with what you're saying.[/QUOTE] Yes, I lived in a cheap flat in the worst part of Hampshire - Aldershot. 'Up and coming area apparently'. The flats were full of Poles and Arabs mostly. What I found funny was they'd rent a 2 bedroom flat and have about 5-11 people in that single space, uncanny really but I think they just see money before luxury. Then when they left permanently their other friends would move in, and so on. Nothing wrong with that of course, just found it funny. Some of them were right scum bags, complete pricks. I ended up battering one of them because he thought because he was a big mean Pole he could play his music up full blast and annoy residence at 5am in the morning. But of course there were a lot of friendlies too, I have a respect for Poles anyway for their efforts in WW2 in the RAF, they're cute nice down to earth people. Its a shame some of them are just dicks, like all people.

[QUOTE=Vasili;15467603]Just like to go back to this. You know why citizens require more money? Because they're generally more well off in housing and therefore bills cost more, they also normally tend to [b]have mouths to feed[/b] and so therefore they cannot work for half the pay, this is because immigrants can come by themselves, get a cheap flat and pay cheap rent and live in bare minimum conditions (because our minimum conditions are certainly something to normal standard in their own country). They work for half the money because to them, its still even more money they'd be earning at home. Our currency is great comparing to anyone else's. Its a pretty shitty life for immigrants, they live in crappy conditions but they do it because the British sterling pound is about twice, triple and even more in worth to their currency. Maybe a lot of immigrants have plans, to maybe go back home after they earn a ton of money (which will be worth a lot more back home). The British people demand more money because we live here, and we're used to better conditions and treatment while they may not (depending what country they come from).[/QUOTE] What about immigrants with children? What the hell are they to do? What if they want to become stable, productive citizens of the country they currently live in? (In this case, the Britain.) In a scenario like this, who is more important, children who were born in the country, or immigrant children? My answer is : none. All people who wish to permanently live in the UK, or any country in general, should be treated like citizens. They should make them sign some forms if they want to stay. Or something like that. I do agree with the fact that immigration policies in the EU are too relaxed, but that doesn't mean we should stop it altogether. [B]Also[/B], how comes far right parties never complain about a certain kind their fellow countrymen, who apparently so superior to the evil foreign devils, aren't doing shit for their motherland?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;15467836]free speech [img]http://www.counter-ads.net/graphic_elements/hitler_speech.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] :rolleyes: All people are doing with this sort of thing is giving them ammo. I'm sorry but 'democracy when it suits us' is a bullshit way to go about this.

[QUOTE=Reborn9;15467911]What about immigrants with children? What the hell are they to do? What if they want to become stable, productive citizens of the country they currently live in? (In this case, the Britain.) In a scenario like this, who is more important, children who were born in the country, or immigrant children?[/quote] To be honest, not a lot of immigrants come with kids. Some do and in that case the family comes before the single person because its more mouths to feed, but my argument on conditions and payment are all the same. [quote]My answer is : none. All people who wish to permanently live in the UK, or any country in general, should be treated like citizens. They should make them sign some forms if they want to stay. Or something like that.[/quote] Britain is a island, we're pretty damn tiny. Our land has been destroyed by simple over population, we're digging up our beautiful country side for motorways and endless grey Britain has really drastically changed in the past 100 years and it's a shame. This is why I like UKIP view point. They're not anti immigration but rather just more logical sense, they're a system based on democracy and popularism and they know a nation cannot survive anymore on its 'native' population. What they want is a simple freeze on immigration and find out who is in the country and who is illegal and who is not, kick out those who are illegal and only allow those in with skills. Once the country is in order and people are settled, then we can allow people in again and I don't know why this is a bad idea, of course you could explain this to be if you believe I am wrong on my thinking. UKIP are not like those nutty BNP who want to kick anyone out who isn't white and its a shame people give UKIP such a reputation of being racist and hateful. Because of what? They simply disagree with immigration policies at the moment? UKIP reputation was insanely damaged by stunts from BNP and even media years ago [quote]I do agree with the fact that immigration policies in the EU are too relaxed, but that doesn't mean we should stop it altogether.[/quote] I agree, I however just think we should freeze it for a little while and sort thins out and then allow more people in again, so we're back in control. [quote][B]Also[/B], how comes far right parties never complain about a certain kind their fellow countrymen, who apparently so superior to the evil foreign devils, aren't doing shit for their motherland?[/QUOTE] Right parties just follow patriotism and like to remember the 'Good old days'. Not a lot of people like change and I don't blame them.

UKIP aren't really far right. You do have to ask yourselves this though. When will we stop bending over backwards to please non-british nationals and look after the people who have been contributing to this country for generations? British workers DO need jobs, British citizens DO need the NHS. There are only so many immigrants we can allow in, there has to be a point where we say no more. We can't afford to keep paying their benefits and to house them, they're not paying taxes if they're not working so the money we give them is lost because they aren't repaying anything to the country, just think how draining that is on our economy and it's not exactly a good time for us to be throwing billions on pounds down the drain. So yea, I agree, British people do need to be put first, it's only fair. We can't please everyone, we have ourselves to look after before we can look after anyone else. It's not racism, it's just simple common sense. This world is WAY too scared of being politically incorrect to do anything about our problems.

UKIP sounds like our republicans, only far less religious, far less "Let's fuck with the entire world because we're america", and less "Save the children, homosexuals are satan spawn". Meaning so far they honestly seem somewhat agreeable.

Well we have a pretty sound retirement fund because of all the immigrant workers and other benefits like services that actually work and are cheap. Saying no to EU sounds like an ok idea because at least we can keep independant from the rest of the world and not become a huge collaboration of countries with the final result being muslims everywhere.

Why did the chap kick the car (in the video footage), What did the car do to him? or is it a racist car.

[QUOTE=Chezplokker;15468247]Well we have a pretty sound retirement fund because of all the immigrant workers and other benefits like services that actually work and are cheap. Saying no to EU sounds like an ok idea because at least we can keep independant from the rest of the world and not become a huge collaboration of countries with the final result being muslims everywhere.[/QUOTE] In the current situation a withdrawl from the EU will be a unwise thing to do.

[QUOTE=Keeshond dog;15449811]V for vendetta[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.horroria.com/i/nstills/37/58/53758/53758-191277.jpg[/img] [b]Don't even start.[/b]

[QUOTE=Xystus234;15468227]UKIP sounds like our republicans, only far less religious, far less "Let's fuck with the entire world because we're america", and less "Save the children, homosexuals are satan spawn". Meaning so far they honestly seem somewhat agreeable.[/QUOTE] To be fair, any party that tried saying anything along those lines over here would be shot down as a nutty far right party. We're far more progressive than America.

[QUOTE=sam.clarke;15468087]UKIP aren't really far right. You do have to ask yourselves this though. When will we stop bending over backwards to please non-british nationals and look after the people who have been contributing to this country for generations? British workers DO need jobs, British citizens DO need the NHS. There are only so many immigrants we can allow in, there has to be a point where we say no more. We can't afford to keep paying their benefits and to house them, they're not paying taxes if they're not working so the money we give them is lost because they aren't repaying anything to the country, just think how draining that is on our economy and it's not exactly a good time for us to be throwing billions on pounds down the drain. So yea, I agree, British people do need to be put first, it's only fair. We can't please everyone, we have ourselves to look after before we can look after anyone else. It's not racism, it's just simple common sense. This world is WAY too scared of being politically incorrect to do anything about our problems.[/QUOTE] I agree. The people from the middle east and eastern european countries should just have chosen a better place of birth, it's totally their own fault.

[QUOTE=Splurgy;15469217]To be fair, any party that tried saying anything along those lines over here would be shot down as a nutty far right party. We're far more progressive than America.[/QUOTE] How's the BNP progressive? They ARE a nutty far right party, and no one shoots [B]them[/B] down...

[QUOTE=sp00ks;15469310]I agree. The people from the middle east and eastern european countries should just have chosen a better place of birth, it's totally their own fault.[/QUOTE] I'm going to be honest. If I had to choose between giving NHS treatment to a British citizen who's paid taxes all his life and a person who's just moved here, I'd give the NHS treatment to the British citizen. We can't really afford to shell out to every Tom, Dick and Harry that hops over the border.

[QUOTE=sp00ks;15469310]I agree. The people from the middle east and eastern european countries should just have chosen a better place of birth, it's totally their own fault.[/QUOTE] Do you live in the UK? Does this concern you? Are you even old enough to vote? No, didn't think so.

Again, what a brilliant comment. Silly me to actually have an opinion on something, and saying it on a forum. Weird place to say it, I know. UK is also the only place in the world with immigrants. I'm really looking forward to the day I turn 18 when I magically get smarter because I can vote.

You're entitled to your opinion, however, you don't live in the UK so you can't appreciate the problems that the current economy faces, the problems that aren't reported on the news and I doubt you have much or any knowledge on any of the major political parties, their proposals and their history. Hell, I bet you'd never even heard of the UK independence party before you read this.

The entire world faces economic problems, not just the UK. We also have problems with immigration here, not a UK-only thing. [editline]07:31PM[/editline] and I've actually read quite a bit about the political parties to find out what people here were talking about.

What kind of jobs do migrants take? Usually the bad ones. You wasted time at school, you wasted time at college and you moan when someone takes your job?

[QUOTE=BAZ;15469909]What kind of jobs do migrants take? Usually the bad ones. You wasted time at school, you wasted time at college and you moan when someone takes your job?[/QUOTE] What about stupid people who can't get qualifications? It's not their fault if they're just really stupid.

If someone wants to come from a place where they're getting shot at to come and clean our toilets, they're welcome to. [editline]08:50PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Splurgy;15469959]What about stupid people who can't get qualifications? It's not their fault if they're just really stupid.[/QUOTE] That's what benefits are for.

[QUOTE=Splurgy;15469959]What about stupid people who can't get qualifications? It's not their fault if they're just really stupid.[/QUOTE] Richard Branson doesn't have a qualification to his name :)

[QUOTE=Sh33p;15469979]That's what benefits are for.[/QUOTE] You dont need qualifications to work, i dont know why people blame being on benefits on not having good qualifications

I just hate everything the BNP stand for, i remember an interview with one of the BNP representatives and he said [QUOTE]"Rape is merely Sex, what's wrong with that?" "Aids is a friendly Disease, it targets Gays and blacks"[/QUOTE] UKIP are nowhere near as bad as the BNP, now its the stuck up Toffs in the conservative party, that helped shut down my local recording studio, and a UKIP guy who helped us protest against its closure, luckily, we won and it remains open, sure, there are a lot of foreigners around, but i work with a lot of them and the ones I know all go to work and earn the same wage and pay the same taxes I do, the ones that annoy me are the BRITISH citizens who leave school at 15 get their multiple girlfriends pregnant by age 16 and have everything served to them on a silver platter every 2 weeks at the post office, I voted UKIP, because I'm sick to the back teeth of stupid EU laws...

[QUOTE=James*;15467958]:rolleyes: All people are doing with this sort of thing is giving them ammo. I'm sorry but 'democracy when it suits us' is a bullshit way to go about this.[/QUOTE] That's not a valid point. Nick Griffin was allowed to speak, and it would be absolutely hypocritical if everyone else would have to keep shut.