Marchers show support for 5 Royal Marines charged with murder
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[QUOTE=SKEEA;38226341]Future breakdown? Hardly. Any enemy insurgent that I assist in destroying is another soldier or civilian saved. I have already come to terms with the fact that my job does indeed involve supporting combat operations that kill people. It is just a part of the job.[/QUOTE]
Im not judging on the fact that your job and MOS supports combat roles and the loss of life of another human being, even if it is for a good "cause" and saves lives in the end; its your job, and you're doing what you need to do, no argument on that from me. But you should aim to only remove the life of another human being when it is absolutely necessary, not sit there and watch them bleed out while filming it for what some could call "revenge", which i would say is the most unprofessional thing they could do in that situation (quickly behind pissing on their bodies).
you know those rockets look like phalluses for a reason
that's what war is basically anyway, just people shooting dicks at each other
i'm sure i'm not the first one to observe the similarities between explosions and ejaculation
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38226433]Kiowa Warrior crew chief. I maintain and arm them. [/QUOTE]
That's all I wanted to know, the rest was pretty pointless you don't need to explain how important you are as everyone is important from chefs to infantry, from clerks to techs, k thnx. Also you really don't need to try and lecture me on these things.
I fix helicopters in the Army but I don't think or act like this one bit, why do you intend on doing so? I appreciate you have seen some shit too....
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38226469]The more dead, the more of my buddies come home.[/QUOTE]
actually the more dead the more you justify the actions of your enemies which means more people die
[QUOTE=thisispain;38226481]you know those rockets look like phalluses for a reason
that's what war is basically anyway, just people shooting dicks at each other
i'm sure i'm not the first one to observe the similarities between explosions and ejaculation[/QUOTE]
I did read an interesting article one about the sexualisation, particularly homoerotic nature in which military jargon and philosophy originates from.
[QUOTE=PyroCF;38226485]Also you really don't need to try and lecture me on these things.[/QUOTE]
lol yes, you clearly know more about the war than SKEEA does.
bravo, privileged teenager on the internet
bravo
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38226469]Heh, I cried the first time I realized that two flechette rockets I had loaded had killed people. A few days later I saw them wheeling my buddies's bodies off of a medevac chopper. All sympathy, gone. The more dead, the more of my buddies come home. Simple as that. Funny how you think you know me better than I know myself.[/QUOTE]
So is letting one guy die horribly and slowly meant to achieve something? Does it bring you any closer to stopping your buddies dying and, if it does, was that incremental crawl forward really worth it?
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;38226518]lol yes, you clearly know more about the war than SKEEA does.
bravo, privileged teenager on the internet
bravo[/QUOTE]
haha get over yourself seriously
this conversation doesn't need a backseat moderator, either add or get out
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;38226518]lol yes, you clearly know more about the war than SKEEA does.
bravo, privileged teenager on the internet
bravo[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PyroCF;38226485]
I fix helicopters in the Army [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38224958]David29 we all know you loooove to get on your UKIP horse about these kinda things, but don't you think it's a [B]little[/B] suspicious that this is the first case like this in 11 years of being in Afghanistan. When there have been killings before.
Especially over a case that has been shrouded in secrecy.
[B]It's pretty likely that these guys have been caught with something fucking horrific on their camcorders, [/B]so tell me again, why are you trying to justify all this?[/QUOTE]
That's a pretty big fucking assumption.
So if you're going to paint david29 in that light, can we paint you in the light that you're wanting them to be prosecuted simply because they are soldiers and you are anti-military???
[QUOTE=thisispain;38226481]you know those rockets look like phalluses for a reason
that's what war is basically anyway, just people shooting dicks at each other
i'm sure i'm not the first one to observe the similarities between explosions and ejaculation[/QUOTE]
Yeah, totally. Aerodynamics don't exist at all.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;38226545]Yeah, totally. Aerodynamics don't exist at all.[/QUOTE]
wait you mean rockets aren't shaped like penises on purpose !??
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;38226536]That's a pretty big fucking assumption.
So if you're going to paint david29 in that light, can we paint you in the light that you're wanting them to be prosecuted simply because they are soldiers and you are anti-military???[/QUOTE]
No I'm painting the painfully obvious.
Shit happens all the time in Afghanistan. [I]Something[/I] is unique about this case. We all know this.
I want them to be cleared if they're in the clear, I want them to be charged if they'e not. It's pretty simple really.
So don't ~fight assumptions~ with another layer of assumptions. Christ.
Technically, the geneva convention does not apply as the Taliban do not follow it.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;38226620]Technically, the geneva convention does not apply as the Taliban do not follow it.[/QUOTE]
No, it does.
[QUOTE=PyroCF;38226485]That's all I wanted to know, the rest was pretty pointless you don't need to explain how important you are as everyone is important from chefs to infantry, from clerks to techs, k thnx. Also you really don't need to try and lecture me on these things.
I fix helicopters in the Army but I don't think or act like this one bit, why do you intend on doing so? I appreciate you have seen some shit too....[/QUOTE]
I guess something in me changed when I saw that medevac. Man, that shit was like a hammer. I guess you and I are just different people. This place changes people man. I can't walk to chow without thinking about what I would do if we took contact at that moment, or when I am working on the flight line on top of the helicopter idly wondering what my blood would look like if a sniper's bullet hits me at that moment.
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[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;38226620]Technically, the geneva convention does not apply as the Taliban do not follow it.[/QUOTE]
We follow it. They don't. It still applies to us.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38226633]I guess something in me changed when I saw that medevac. Man, that shit was like a hammer. I guess you and I are just different people. This place changes people man. I can't walk to chow without thinking about what I would do if we took contact at that moment, or when I am working on the flight line on top of the helicopter idly wondering what my blood would look like if a sniper's bullet hits me at that moment.[/QUOTE]
So you're constantly under a great deal of stress, to the point where you only rarely stop worrying for your life, but you don't think it's at all possible that you might have some sort of breakdown in the future?
[QUOTE=thisispain;38226510]actually the more dead the more you justify the actions of your enemies which means more people die[/QUOTE]
I used a similar argument to reason that purposefully trying to piss off muslim extremists is a stupid thing to do, but ended up with a barrage of boxes. Meh.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38226633]I guess something in me changed when I saw that medevac. Man, that shit was like a hammer. I guess you and I are just different people. This place changes people man. I can't walk to chow without thinking about what I would do if we took contact at that moment, or when I am working on the flight line on top of the helicopter idly wondering what my blood would look like if a sniper's bullet hits me at that moment.[/QUOTE]
I know I was being a bit tongue and cheek with the Dispatches comment, but seriously I do suggest reading it.
You'll be able to relate to it and it all might be a very cathartic experience. Its a pretty short book.
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[QUOTE=Cone;38226688]So you're constantly under a great deal of stress, to the point where you only rarely stop worrying for your life, but you don't think it's at all possible that you might have some sort of breakdown in the future?[/QUOTE]
~no dachi stahp, you are not a internet psychologist~
[QUOTE=Cone;38226688]So you're constantly under a great deal of stress, to the point where you only rarely stop worrying for your life, but you don't think it's at all possible that you might have some sort of breakdown in the future?[/QUOTE]
I am not worrying for my life, it is just my combat instincts selecting cover and what not while I am walking along, or my brain idly making thoughts like "what if you got shot right now?" You just have to live by a philosophy of "If the bullet has my name on it, can't avoid it" and "Did the rocket hit me? No? All is well." I actually talked to someone about it today, and they helped me realize a few things. I am perfectly fine, seriously.
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;38226699]I know I was being a bit tongue and cheek with the Dispatches comment, but seriously I do suggest reading it.
You'll be able to relate to it and it all might be a very cathartic experience. Its a pretty short book.
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~no dachi stahp, you are not a internet psychologist~[/QUOTE]
I'll look into it.
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Anyways, I am out of here, I need some sleep before work today.
....I am so stressed out here, better go watch some little girl pony cartoon to calm my nerves.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38226776]I am perfectly fine, seriously.[/QUOTE]
I'm concerned that your 'justification mechanism' is a flimsy house of cards approach with dealing with this.
As far as you're concerned, your job in the war process is to aid the arming of helicopter gunships with the aim of killing red to save blue. But you're simply putting too much trust and logic into a thought process that is not either of those things.
Firstly, you have to assume that your rockets are not causing more harm than good. Which is a heavily contested issue to be so absolute as you are on. Maybe your rockets are actually promoting violence that is killing your 'battle buddies'.
Secondly, what if your rockets are directly involved in hitting civilians or friendly 'battle buddies'? What then? We all know this is a possibility, it happens, its war.
You seem to have invested this fragile metaphysical meaning after one traumatic experience when some friends got killed. What would you do if this meaning suddenly changed for you again?
But this is just one of the many ways in which your entire simplification of the conflict might prove to be detrimental to your physical or mental health.
I mean, you've already stated in another thread that you think the Afgani people are "worthless".
TLDR: Find a new coping mechanism, that is a little more solid. And stop pretending to be incapable of empathy.
so skeea is pretty much the waterboy of the military?
the psychopathic military brony
[QUOTE=SKEEA;38226242]You forget that I am not obligated to give them medical aid as I am not medical personnel. He isn't a threat, granted. He doesn't need to be a threat to bleed out from gunshot wounds.[/QUOTE]
beep boop medical skill level not high enough, cannot perform first aid
Really going to give them murder charges for killing a terrorist...
[QUOTE=Shadow Core;38227876]Really going to give them murder charges for killing a terrorist...[/QUOTE]
terrorist lol
People like you make that term meaningless.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;38224657]If they're guilty of murder, then they get tried for murder
the nationality or the victim, or where it happened is irrelevant
soldiers should be the finest a country can provide, if they're willing to sit back and watch a man die for personal amusement, then they can face justice[/QUOTE]
lol, war is such a messy business. it's fine to shoot them one minute, but the next its a warcrime.
[QUOTE=thisispain;38226565]wait you mean rockets aren't shaped like penises on purpose !??[/QUOTE]
I think the real question here is "why are penises shaped like rockets?"
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[QUOTE=Shadow Core;38227876]Really going to give them murder charges for killing a terrorist...[/QUOTE]
you dont know what a terrorist is
That police officer has a giant shit eating grin.
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