Man With Down Syndrome Goes To Movies; Choked To Death By Guards - Polidicks

[QUOTE=butre;41959232]I'm talking law, you're talking physics. surely even you are smart enough to know the difference.[/QUOTE] force is also defined as making someone do something against their will. So if you restrain someone, chances are it is against their will especially in this case and will require force. Unless the man willfully let himself be handcuffed, which it sounds like he did not, so the cops would have had to use force to restrain him

regardless of being off-duty, they were called in to take care of a problem. they didn't decide out of nowhere "this guy wont move, we need to remove him ourselves". they were also operating a security job elsewhere, so they weren't completely bereft of their status. [QUOTE]When he refused to leave, a theater employee called three off-duty Frederick County sheriff’s deputies who were working a security job at the Westview Promenade shopping center and told them that Saylor either needed to buy another ticket or be removed.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-27/local/38068610_1_robert-ethan-saylor-autopsy-report-three-deputies"]the article here[/URL] also goes more into detail about further injuries that may or may not have been caused by the security guards, but doesn't delve on those as much.

I don't understand what's wrong with using force as a security gaurd; isn't that part of their job?

[QUOTE=bliptec;41960287]I don't understand what's wrong with using force as a security gaurd; isn't that part of their job?[/QUOTE] The guy looks like he has downs syndrome based on the picture. Giving the guy a break and letting him watch the movie again instead of causing a hassle seems like the right thing to do. [QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;41957692] By the way, the family should be ashamed of themselves that he was in such poor shape. 5'6" and 300lbs?!?! What the hell?[/QUOTE] I don't think you know very much about people with Downs Syndrome.

[QUOTE=bliptec;41960287]I don't understand what's wrong with using force as a security gaurd; isn't that part of their job?[/QUOTE] well clearly something was wrong seeing how someones dead? is that how they're meant to do their job?

US cinemas have guards?

[QUOTE=RobbL;41961127]US cinemas have guards?[/QUOTE] When some weird guy shot up a cinema for no apparent reason it's only logical you start taking preventive measures to make sure it doesn't happen again

what the fuck is going on

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;41955551]And besides, unless he pulled out a gun, there's NO reason to use that much of a force unless your life was in a credible and grave danger.[/QUOTE] but if a black kid punches you and your head gets hit on the ground you're def justified in shooting him

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;41963366]but if a black kid punches you and your head gets hit on the ground you're def justified in shooting him[/QUOTE] Except the officers in this situation weren't attacked in a way that could kill them (e.g. head on cement) and they were in no danger of serious harm or death.

The retarded kid definitely fought back which is why the cop used so much force. He was probably sperging out so much he forgot to breath [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Poor choice or wording - think before you post?" - Craptasket))[/highlight] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Poor choice of wording - think before you post?" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

I hope these scumbags rot in three to five days of paid administrative leave.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41960335]The guy looks like he has downs syndrome based on the picture. Giving the guy a break and letting him watch the movie again instead of causing a hassle seems like the right thing to do. I don't think you know very much about people with Downs Syndrome.[/QUOTE] No, they shouldn't "cut him a break", he couldn't be there, he would've taken a seat (potentially) from someone who actually paid for their seat, he didn't pay, he was essentially stealing, just escorting him out and understanding his mistake is already enough of cutting him a break, but then he struggled, and they had to stop him from doing that, and in the process he killed himself, probably related to his being 300 pounds.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41960347]well clearly something was wrong seeing how someones dead? is that how they're meant to do their job?[/QUOTE] Did you even read the accounts of what actually happened, or even what the jury decided? The death was a mistake.

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41964302]No, they shouldn't "cut him a break", he couldn't be there, he would've taken a seat (potentially) from someone who actually paid for their seat, he didn't pay, he was essentially stealing, just escorting him out and understanding his mistake is already enough of cutting him a break, but then he struggled, and they had to stop him from doing that, and in the process he killed himself, probably related to his being 300 pounds.[/QUOTE] No actually they choked a disabled guy to death over ~10 dollars.

[QUOTE=locojaws;41955521]well it said he started attacking the officers but still, i don't know how that made them have to strangle him like that[/QUOTE] Trayvon?

The coroner considers it 'asphyxiation by homicide', his cause of death has been called 'homicide'... If nobody gets charged for homicide by this, then something's seriously screwed up.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41960335]I don't think you know very much about people with Downs Syndrome.[/QUOTE] Here's what I think I know, tell me where I have it wrong. This guy had Downs, so he wasn't capable of doing his own shopping AND preparing all his meals. Therefore, he had SOME help right? What I'm saying is at some point he hit 150lbs...175lbs...200lbs...250lbs... When the hell was someone in the family going to step in and say enough is enough? He was dangerously obese. Or are you hinting that his condition made that obesity untreatable?

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41964302]No, they shouldn't "cut him a break", he couldn't be there, he would've taken a seat (potentially) from someone who actually paid for their seat, he didn't pay, he was essentially stealing, just escorting him out and understanding his mistake is already enough of cutting him a break, but then he struggled, and they had to stop him from doing that, and in the process he killed himself, probably related to his being 300 pounds.[/QUOTE] well maybe they should have listened to his case worker that let them know he would calm down eventually and that getting physical with him would only make things worse [editline]26th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=bliptec;41964569]Did you even read the accounts of what actually happened, or even what the jury decided? The death was a mistake.[/QUOTE] that's a pretty severe mistake don't you think?

[QUOTE=bliptec;41964569]Did you even read the accounts of what actually happened, or even what the jury decided? The death was a mistake.[/QUOTE] Whoops sorry there didn't mean to choke you to death.

[QUOTE=NorthKorea;41956608]such is life in fascist america[/QUOTE] They arent fascists, they have their own democracy (american democracy. not to be confused with democracy). Includes hostility toward non-democratic countries, need to spread demoracy with any means necessary, right to kill civilians (for example, right to shoot a black yongster as self-defence, when the youngster wears a hood and is just walking on the neighbourhood unarmed / shoot civilians in a war, and get medal(s) for doing so) , disgrace the bodies of dead enemies by peeing on them and recording it, participate on every war when possible, etc. God bless the America. Ps. Please dont send predator to hellfire my house to the ground.

The shit? They should have just escorted him out peacefully.

[QUOTE=Black;41971398]The shit? They should have just escorted him out peacefully.[/QUOTE] they tried that

So, just to make sure i understand this right. Dude was in the theater, watching ZDT, loved it so much he wanted to watch it again. Doesn't want to buy a second ticket for another showing, so off-duty officers working as mall guards try to tell him to leave. He is then reported to get frustrated. Personal aide informs them that he doesn't like being touched and will "freak out" Guards attempt to pull him from the chair He "freaks out", starts hitting the officers Other officers join in, and with difficulty manage to cuff him. He somehow ends up on the ground, becomes unresponsive Officers notice this, flip him over, realize he has no pulse, and begin administering first aid after removing his cuffs He is transported to the hospital where he soon thereafter dies Cause of death is asphyxiation, complicated by DS, obesity, cardiac problems, etc. Do I have that right? Because if I do, then yeah I can see how the ignorance of the officers could play a role. It was by no means intentional though, because they realized there was a problem and tried to save the man. Unfortunate? Of course. Intentional? Absolutely not. Further training to make sure officers are aware of how to correctly handle people like that in the future? Always helps.

You're scenario is fine except you forgot step two, that the cops forgot too. Dude was in the theater, watching ZDT, loved it so much he wanted to watch it again. *Dude has mental issue, easily detectable by anyone who talks to him. Doesn't want to buy a second ticket for another showing, so off-duty officers working as mall guards try to tell him to leave. Once these cops see that, it should have changed the nature of the entire encounter. Instead they deliberately treated him like they would a black guy on the street. Get in his face, start shit, then jump him and shackle him for resisting.

[QUOTE=Articsledder;41955482]He may have tried to sit through the credits into the next movie. It's utterly ridiculous that they let this happen though. How do you kill someone as a mall cop, let alone suffocate them?[/QUOTE] He should not have gone alone.

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41974316]He should not have gone alone.[/QUOTE] He had an aid with him, but she had to run and get something from the car.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;41974294]You're scenario is fine except you forgot step two, that the cops forgot too. Dude was in the theater, watching ZDT, loved it so much he wanted to watch it again. *Dude has mental issue, easily detectable by anyone who talks to him. Doesn't want to buy a second ticket for another showing, so off-duty officers working as mall guards try to tell him to leave. Once these cops see that, it should have changed the nature of the entire encounter. Instead they deliberately treated him like they would a black guy on the street. Get in his face, start shit, then jump him and shackle him for resisting.[/QUOTE] That's a pretty sensationalist way of putting things, "like they would a black guy on the street". Where does it say that the police began "getting in his face" and "starting shit"? You're twisting and generalizing this horribly to fit your ideology.

I figure the cops should at least get a misdemeanor equivalent. Sure, the death might have been unintentional, but they did screw up handling a case where there was a Downs person involved.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41958240][url]https://www.change.org/petitions/justice-for-ethan-governor-martin-o-malley-we-need-an-independent-investigation-and-training-for-police?alert_id=rwTJzWGHBa_AGwnYFJwQp&utm_campaign=31925&utm_medium=email&utm_source=action_alert[/url] read that and tell me it doesn't sound both brutal and unjust[/QUOTE] That was the petition made by the sister. Of course it would be biased to make it sound brutal and unjust. But read and listen to the facts on the previous page and see how brutal it really was.