Obsidian Entertainment Caves to a Vocal Minority: Controversial Backer Tombstone Changed in Pillars - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Thlis;47453020]How is that lying? It's what happened.[/QUOTE] Who in the fuck is this "vocal minority?" Is it the internet boogeyman called the social justice warrior? How did obsidian "cave" by changing some text in their game?

[QUOTE=.Lain;47453077]the only way you could interpret that as having nothing offensive in it in 2015 is if you had no eyeballs[/QUOTE] its not offensive though. infact it makes fun of a supposed homophobe which would be the man who hurled himself off a cliff. or do you also believe that its about transphobia? because theres nothing in the text proving that. its a harmless joke.

[QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;47452947]I thought the new inscription was quite funny given the context. Still shouldn't have changed it though.[/QUOTE] It could have been a lot worse, but Obsidian cushioned the impact of a backlash pretty well, and also made fun of the other side in the process too.

[QUOTE=Maas;47453092]I reserve the right to complain about a line of text that someone payed $500 for. Freedom of speech n all that :rolleye:[/QUOTE] he agreed to rewrite it without qualms. big boo hoo

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;47452950]But it's a joke.[/QUOTE] Yes, but sadly, we live in a world full of fucking idiots. You sometimes can't have jokes because you have homophobic/racist/sexist, etc. people who don't take it as a joke, and it just perpetuates their ignorance.

[QUOTE=.Lain;47453099]according to who? do 9/11 victims have to be in the mood to be offended by 9/11 jokes or something too?[/QUOTE] Oh yes a real life terrorist event is very similar to a hollow limerick about a medieval tavern cross dresser

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47453113]Oh yes a real life terrorist event is very similar to a hollow limerick about a medieval tavern cross dresser[/QUOTE] i was getting a point across. not making a direct comparison

What exactly is wrong with it?

i hate this whole weird youtube twitter political shit these issues turn into. whenever something happens it all turns into "well jim sterling said this and TB responded to briana wu about this" and eventually five feature length videos and a novel's worth of text gets written about it and then everyone forgets about it in two months. there was an issue people had with the game and the developer responded and the issue was resolved. that's it.

[QUOTE=GammaFive;47453050]this is just Obsidian backpedaling to pressure.[/QUOTE] That is entirely an assumption.

[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;47453100] How did obsidian "cave" by changing some text in their game?[/QUOTE] A small group of people were demanding on Twitter to be changed, and it got changed.

[QUOTE=.Lain;47453122]i was getting a point across. not making a direct comparison[/QUOTE] So the scale of your misuse of that analogy is unimportant? Because if that's the case, then anything anyone has, or could ever be, offended by is worthy of removal from all forms of media. I mean at least if you had scale of offense to fall back on, you could make some sort of argument but if you're not even falling back on that you really must be okay with the removal of all potentially offensive material from anything

[QUOTE=Fangz;47453141]A small group of people were demanding on Twitter to be changed, and it got changed.[/QUOTE] and? is it caving if they agreed with that small group?

[QUOTE=.Lain;47453150]and? is it caving if they agreed with that small group?[/QUOTE] If a larger group was being ignored, isn't it? Like, just be definition...?

[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;47453100]Who in the fuck is this "vocal minority?" Is it the internet boogeyman called the social justice warrior? How did obsidian "cave" by changing some text in their game?[/QUOTE] The smallest minority is the single person who wrote the poem. A few dozen people complain to a company of hundreds regarding something written by a single person, what does anyone think is going to happen?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47453146]So the scale of your misuse of that analogy is unimportant? Because if that's the case, then anything anyone has, or could ever be, offended by is worthy of removal from all forms of media. I mean at least if you had scale of offense to fall back on, you could make some sort of argument but if you're not even falling back on that you really must be okay with the removal of all potentially offensive material from anything[/QUOTE] obsidian just use their best judgement in the 'scale of offensiveness'. they saw what people were saying about it and thought it over. let it slide

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47453155]The smallest minority is the single person who wrote the poem. A few dozen people complain to a company of hundreds regarding something written by a single person, what does anyone think is going to happen?[/QUOTE] A few dozen people out of how many customers?

[QUOTE=Fangz;47453141]A small group of people were demanding on Twitter to be changed, and it got changed.[/QUOTE] If I email a company with "I don't like X", and they change X to Y, does this mean I have censored the company?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47453155]The smallest minority is the single person who wrote the poem. A few dozen people complain to a company of hundreds regarding something written by a single person, what does anyone think is going to happen?[/QUOTE] When that person paid for it, and many more people who do like the product aren't offended, and some may even appreciate it, isn't that caving?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47453153]If a larger group was being ignored, isn't it? Like, just be definition...?[/QUOTE] the larger group didn't a. pay $500 for that specific quote nor do they hold any rights to the game

[QUOTE=Thlis;47453158]A few dozen people out of how many customers?[/QUOTE] If the only feedback that was considered was feedback shared by over 50% of a customer base then nothing would ever change.

you can keep arguing over and over with the same point, but in the end the person who paid for the quote was contacted rightfully, and wrote a new one with no apparent qualms. calm down and ignore this tiny little issue rather than making a bigger issue out of it than it deserves

[QUOTE=TheHydra;47453132]i hate this whole weird youtube twitter political shit these issues turn into. whenever something happens it all turns into "well jim sterling said this and TB responded to briana wu about this" and eventually five feature length videos and a novel's worth of text gets written about it and then everyone forgets about it in two months. there was an issue people had with the game and the developer responded and the issue was resolved. that's it.[/QUOTE] I think it was uncalled for since the whole game is based around very dark and violent themes - yet something about sex is enough to warrant removal, if it can even be interpreted as that? It's such a minor thing and very small, why bother even paying attention to it both ways? For that reason, if they are going to pay attention to such minor and tiny details, then I should give the same in return and voice my own opinion. Did they "Cave" to removing it? Not really, just a dumb decision. If anything, it's a bad sign to what is "acceptable" in gaming and what isn't (Violence in videogames v2 anyone?) But it really shouldn't have happened in the first place.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47453153]If a larger group was being ignored, isn't it? Like, just be definition...?[/QUOTE] Where they ignored? Was there anyone that said to Obsidian that they didn't want the text removed? And if so where they a majority? Or is this just a convenient silent majority to back your argument?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47453164]When that person paid for it, and many more people who do like the product aren't offended, and some may even appreciate it, isn't that caving?[/QUOTE] They didn't pay for it, they got it as a gift in exchange for providing backing funds for the game. Undoubtedly Obsidian reserved the right to omit or alter anything submitted. If this had been changed before release nobody would notice anything different. Nothing would be lacking from the game and nobody would have anything to care about. However, the degree of "censorship" would still have been the same - a backer would not have been able to include the text they wanted. Why does the fact it's happening now instead of a couple months ago matter?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47453155]The smallest minority is the single person who wrote the poem. A few dozen people complain to a company of hundreds regarding something written by a single person, what does anyone think is going to happen?[/QUOTE] On the actual forums for this game, there were more people asking for it to be kept in than there were asking for it to be removed. Just something to consider. As for the smallest minority being the person who wrote the poem, he is also a backer who paid at least $500 to the project kickstarter. However, he did agree to the change to the message, so without any assumptions (about whether or not it was a case of "change it or have it removed", or whether obsidian would have asked him to change it if they noticed it the first time around without pressure on twitter) it seems to have resolved itself to the most relevant parties (the backer and Obsidian). I personally don't believe the joke needed to be removed, to be clear.

Gamer gate fucking 2.0 in here. If you are legit upset about this, then I will leave and let you wallow in your self righteous indignation and I hope I honestly fucking hope that you can get some perspective eventually and start acting like a fucking adult and let people get offended and be sensitive and change their minds over things without whipping out your dick and stroking yourself over evey perceived injustice that ever happens on the Internet I mean really Fuck

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47453169]If the only feedback that was considered was feedback shared by over 50% of a customer base then nothing would ever change.[/QUOTE] Interesting tone shift, first you claim that "the real vocal minority is the writer of the joke" then it's "Well nothing would change if we didn't listen to the vocal minority" [QUOTE=.Lain;47453173] calm down and ignore this tiny little issue rather than making a bigger issue out of it than it deserves[/QUOTE] Ignoring issues sets poor precedence. [QUOTE=Zeke129;47453187]They didn't pay for it, they got it as a gift in exchange for providing backing funds for the game. Undoubtedly Obsidian reserved the right to omit or alter anything submitted. [/QUOTE] Oh fucking please. Yes, if I give Futureshop the amount of money a headset costs they "gift" me a headset.

[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;47453198]Gamer gate fucking 2.0 in here. If you are legit upset about this, then I will leave and let you wallow in your self righteous indignation and I hope I honestly fucking hope that you can get some perspective eventually and start acting like a fucking adult and let people get offended and be sensitive and change their minds over things without whipping out your dick and stroking yourself over evey perceived injustice that ever happens on the Internet I mean really Fuck[/QUOTE] Goes both ways, is important to remember. If one person makes it such an issue the opposed person is going to make it an issue, see my above comment. Also seems your more angry at the lack of a status quo then anything.

[QUOTE=Thlis;47453206]Interesting tone shift, first you claim that "the real vocal minority is the writer of the joke" then it's "Well nothing would change if we didn't listen to the vocal minority"[/QUOTE] The person who wrote the poem WAS listened to. He said he didn't care. He chose to not make this political and that says a hell of a lot about the people who [i]are[/i].