Obsidian Entertainment Caves to a Vocal Minority: Controversial Backer Tombstone Changed in Pillars - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47454665]Her "game" was a virtual choose-your-own-adventure book, it was free, it was never actually reviewed, she wasn't the only developer, and she's yet to release any more games. Crash Override is the only thing she has "released" since and that's a non-profit for a good cause that only exists because gamergate harassed her. It's not a surprise that an indie dev sleeps with people involved in indie gaming and while cheating is awful and dishonest she hardly "furthered her career"[/QUOTE] she also abused her boyfriend and exploited his mental illness despite being some sort of mental illness advocate that's been my only thing in this entire shit show and nearly everyone seems to ignore it

[QUOTE=TheHydra;47454682]she also abused her boyfriend and exploited his mental illness despite being some sort of mental illness advocate that's been my only thing in this entire shit show and nearly everyone seems to ignore it[/QUOTE] yeah that all of her abuse was basically swept under the rug so some game journalists could defend themselves really twists my tits

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47454637][url=http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/kotaku.com]But Kotaku's visitors have apparently been increasing[/url][/QUOTE] It's only natural that the viewcount would go up after the initial backlash. Kotaku has improved somewhat on disclosure for paid articles and their relationship with the related game devs.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47454686]yeah that all of her abuse was basically swept under the rug so some game journalists could defend themselves really twists my tits[/QUOTE] it's also aggravating that the story people took away was "GAMES JOURNALISM IS BAD!!!" like fuck, we knew that already. the original post is a pretty fucked up look at mental abuse but no one cared or continues to care about that

[QUOTE=TheHydra;47454682]she also abused her boyfriend and exploited his mental illness despite being some sort of mental illness advocate that's been my only thing in this entire shit show and nearly everyone seems to ignore it[/QUOTE] She was a bad person but a terrible example of a lack of videogame ethics Shitting on her doesn't need a whole movement

[QUOTE=TheHydra;47454696]it's also aggravating that the story people took away was "GAMES JOURNALISM IS BAD!!!" like fuck, we knew that already. the original post is a pretty fucked up look at mental abuse but no one cared or continues to care about that[/QUOTE] while i am glad it caused a huge boost in scrutiny of game journalism, i agree with you that that her abuse of eron has been overshadowed by the corruption allegations is frustrating. as it currently stands, quinn has basically gotten away with abuse, and nobody on either side really talks about it. i guess i just don't know what really can be done about it when one side flat-out denies it and the other doesn't talk about it to distance itself further from the whole #burgersandfries thing

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47454665]Her "game" was a virtual choose-your-own-adventure book, it was free, it was never actually reviewed, she wasn't the only developer, and she's yet to release any more games. Crash Override is the only thing she has "released" since and that's a non-profit for a good cause that only exists because gamergate harassed her. It's not a surprise that an indie dev sleeps with people involved in indie gaming and while cheating is awful and dishonest she hardly "furthered her career"[/QUOTE] People release free games to get their name out there all the time. It's a very popular tactic in indie development. Her game was given publicity by the journalists she was fucking. This is disgusting and absolutely a journalistic ethics issue. I couldn't care less about her subsequent games career being successful or not, and neither could GamerGate, which is why they 'attacked' (boy we're pretty far up the euphemism ladder aren't we) her.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47454703]She was a bad person but a terrible example of a lack of videogame ethics Shitting on her doesn't need a whole movement[/QUOTE] i agree it's just frustrating. all this did was give her a huge PR boost and entrench her further in with developers and journalists and shit. fuck gamergate

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47454703]She was a bad person but a terrible example of a lack of videogame ethics Shitting on her doesn't need a whole movement[/QUOTE] It wasn't really her though. Early on it was just some everyone indulging in some tabloid-tier drama about some obscure game about feels turning out to be a total dickhole, but what really got people riled up was when everyone started closing ranks.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;47454721]i agree it's just frustrating. all this did was give her a huge PR boost and entrench her further in with developers and journalists and shit. fuck gamergate[/QUOTE] i wouldn't say it is gamergate's fault that a lot of people who call themselves progressives jumped to defend an abuser

[QUOTE=TheHydra;47454721]i agree it's just frustrating. all this did was give her a huge PR boost and entrench her further in with developers and journalists and shit. fuck gamergate[/QUOTE] At least Crash Override is doing some good and wouldn't exist had gamergate not harassed her, so thanks gamergate

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47454736]i wouldn't say it is gamergate's fault that a lot of people who call themselves progressives jumped to defend an abuser[/QUOTE] i just feel like the people who started the movement are also majorly complicit since they basically just used it as a banner for their own motives [editline]4th April 2015[/editline] i mean fuck, the original dude even said he absolutely did not think zoe quinn got anywhere with anything other than the merit of her own abilities. come on

[QUOTE=hrak;47454718]People release free games to get their name out there all the time. It's a very popular tactic in indie development. Her game was given publicity by the journalists she was fucking. This is disgusting and absolutely a journalistic ethics issue. I couldn't care less about her subsequent games career being successful or not, and neither could GamerGate, which is why they 'attacked' (boy we're pretty far up the euphemism ladder aren't we) her.[/QUOTE] I think what she did is pretty irrelevant compared to the people who defended or swept under the rug what she did. I mean, the first thing that actually got me mad was whatshisface tweeting a picture of himself and his new abuser friend, defending her from the mean gamers. An unhealthy developer/journo relationship making for poor journalism is merely sad. But an unhealthy developer/journo relationship that protects their own no matter what, and makes coordinated shows of open contempt for people who dare criticize them is disgusting.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;47454747]i just feel like the people who started the movement are also majorly complicit since they basically just used it as a banner for their own motives [editline]4th April 2015[/editline] i mean fuck, the original dude even said he absolutely did not think zoe quinn got anywhere with anything other than the merit of her own abilities. come on[/QUOTE] that is a completely fair point of view to have. i personally did not put any dogs into the fight until well after gamergate had mostly divorced itself of the quinncident so i cannot speak of that. but i had been paying attention to it through the whole thing, and it seemed to me whenever anyone tried to even bring up quinn's abuse they'd get shouted down about misogyny by her sycophants that it seems everyone is just avoiding it like a minefield [editline]3rd April 2015[/editline] as well as what mingebox said, it was pretty disgusting what she did, it was also disgusting how so-called journalists would sweep aside integrity and their own morals to defend her and, through that, potentially their own reputations. i guess people also just stuck to the journalistic integrity side of things because you can actually do something about that. while what quinn supposedly did would be unforgivable, there isn't much anyone can actually do about it besides talk a bit about it, the game journalism corruption side of the story had far more to bite into and hold onto

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47454529]By gg's logic isn't that censorship [editline]3rd April 2015[/editline] Are we looking at different threads?[/QUOTE] Hardly. Had they not alienated their own audience, this never would have happened to them. I guess you think people are entitled to throw shit in their audiences faces and not have consequences? [editline]3rd April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;47454745]At least Crash Override is doing some good and wouldn't exist had gamergate not harassed her, so thanks gamergate[/QUOTE] You mean like actively ignoring and denying the harrasement pro gamergate people go through when they ask for help? Such a good cause. [editline]3rd April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;47454703]She was a bad person but a terrible example of a lack of videogame ethics Shitting on her doesn't need a whole movement[/QUOTE] No, and we didn't even need to shit on her. We just didn't need to be silenced and censored hardcore the second we wanted to have our own say.

people actually read those tombstone things? wow

[QUOTE=Xubs;47453292]but the original poem doesn't imply they're transgender, the guy could've been drunk and fucked a dude[/QUOTE] happens to the best of us

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47453234]Why does a simple dumb joke deserve to be censored in a game where you kill things? If it was really offensive, it would have been removed originally, people seeking to be offended by something sought to change the game, they did so, they didn't have any right to do that anymore so than I would have the right to drum up a few hundred people to remove something I personally didn't like. It's a ridiculous idea that this should just be accepted. Do we just want to have the most vocal of groups make the creative decisions that we all have to accept? I don't, why do I get no voice?[/QUOTE] I don't get why you and so many other people think creativity is being killed by vocal minorities. Subjectively, "the woman was actually a man" joke isn't the height of creativity by a long shot. Objectively, the power to edit something or not is always in the creator's hand. Look at Kamiya's Twitter account. He tells people to fuck off like almost everyday. It's just a smart move to appeal to as many people as humanly possible. That's capitalism, man. There is no PC brigade, no censorship, just the good ole invisible hand of the market.

Remember when games were about games and not politics?

To be honest, they should have removed this one from the game: [img]http://puu.sh/gRyfl/3fa2e8f6af.jpg[/img] No meter and awful slant rhyme triggers me.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;47455008]Remember when games were about games and not politics?[/QUOTE] everything has to be politically correct, video games aren't about the gameplay anymore. what are you, an idiot? I bet you thought the gravestone was but a simple jest! I bet you hate gays trans and everyone else that isn't a cis male!

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47454637][url=http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/kotaku.com]But Kotaku's visitors have apparently been increasing[/url][/QUOTE] just by the way(because i think it's likely the stats are close in this case, but for other cases...), alexa is borderline useless . They rank sites based on how many people visit them who have their toolbar installed. the problems with that should be obvious. [QUOTE=Zeke129;47454703]She was a bad person but a terrible example of a lack of videogame ethics Shitting on her doesn't need a whole movement[/QUOTE] She is part of a fantastic example of a lack of ethics in VG journalism. By herself, she is not one, as she is not a journalist. Good shitting on her doesnt have a whole movement, then. Or were you trying to suggest gamergate is entirely about shitting on zoe quinn? You'd never suggest something so stupid would you? [QUOTE=Zeke129;47454745]At least Crash Override is doing some good and wouldn't exist had gamergate not harassed her, so thanks gamergate[/QUOTE] Im pretty sure when an anti harrassment organization is run by a group of people who profit off lies and then also harass people themselves by their own definitions all bets are off.

[QUOTE=Everstvetita;47454028]From Firedorn himself [url]https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/74461-controversial-limerick-discussion/page-25#entry1631723[/url] So It seems obsidian had no intentions of caving In, he had a choice and used it to make a poke at the "bitch-bastards" that were complaining.[/QUOTE] So are you going to ignore how blatantly this disproves any crackpot theories that Obsidian "caved to pressure from vocal minorities?"

[QUOTE=.Lain;47453099]according to who? do 9/11 victims have to be in the mood to be offended by 9/11 jokes or something too?[/QUOTE] what a horrible comparison, did you forget to take your estrogen pills today or something? lol

OP was wrong, GeneralSpecific vindicated, Recieves countless dumbs from a vocal minority I should make a whole fucking thread for it because it matters just as fucking much as this "issue" you guys have gone on about for nearly 240 posts

[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;47455245]OP was wrong, GeneralSpecific vindicated, Recieves countless dumbs from a vocal minority I should make a whole fucking thread for it because it matters just as fucking much as this "issue" you guys have gone on about for nearly 240 posts[/QUOTE] can you stop ego stroking for two minutes and realize that no one suspected a "conspiracy" of some sort rather than just media pressure, a commonly documented effect. And at least I acknowledged that factual evidence would change my opinion, something entirely rational and not something to be ashamed of.

[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;47455245]OP was wrong, GeneralSpecific vindicated, Recieves countless dumbs from a vocal minority I should make a whole fucking thread for it because it matters just as fucking much as this "issue" you guys have gone on about for nearly 240 posts[/QUOTE] Yeah make a new thread.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47455248]can you stop ego stroking for two minutes and realize that no one suspected a "conspiracy" of some sort rather than just media pressure, a commonly documented effect. And at least I acknowledged that factual evidence would change my opinion, something entirely rational and not something to be ashamed of.[/QUOTE] Does a letter from the company not count as factual evidence to you? because that was literally what started this whole thing. Did they say they were changing the poem because people complained? No they said they were changing it because that was what the backer wanted. Is that what you believed? No you believed they were standing down in the face of twitter soldiers saying mean things about them.

[QUOTE=.Lain;47453042]i reserve the right to make bad, offensive jokes in a game other people pay good money for. freedom of speech n all that :rolleye:[/QUOTE] sometimes i wonder if you're just trying your hardest to make shitty posts

Remember when developers had spines and stood by their work?